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[JDM]

I didn't say he's bad. I said he doesn't have the skill set to be elite. Even if you disagree the idea is far from laughable.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Doesn't have the arm? Doesn't seem to be anything wrong with his arm to me...take a look.

As for saying he doesn't have the legs...that so ridculous its not worth discussing.

 

[blstoker]

I didn't say he's bad. I said he doesn't have the skill set to be elite. Even if you disagree the idea is far from laughable.

RW, who I'm not that high on but believe is solid now and will be a tier or two below elite through his career

He seems reasonably intelligent, but doesn't have the arm or legs to put himself on an elite level.

He makes all the throws you could ask of him, with accuracy. He avoids sacks, and with the problems the line has pass blocking, its a good thing too. He runs very well. He sees the entire field, and makes great decisions. I have no illusions that he is elite now, but there is nowhere this kid can't go if he's willing to put the work in to get better, and everything he has shown thus far is that he is.

For a team that even most fans seemed to think was at best an 8 or 9 win team last year, the Seahawks were never out of a game. The largest loss they had was 7 points (13-6 @SF). He does everything a team wants out of a QB, and that's just as a rookie, with receivers as one of the teams biggest weaknesses. He's gonna get better, and that's what's really scary.

 

[JDM]

I didn't say he doesn't have an arm or legs. I said neither are good enough for him to be an elite QB. He will never break the top 5. He's somewhere near the border of top 10 now IMO, and may develop to near top 5. But he will never be an elite QB.

 

[blstoker]

Doesn't have the arm? Doesn't seem to be anything wrong with his arm to me...take a look.

As for saying he doesn't have the legs...that so ridculous its not worth discussing.

All right, I tried multiple times to get my youtube videos to do that, I just can't get them to post directly to the page.

 

[JDM]

All right, I tried multiple times to get my youtube videos to do that, I just can't get them to post directly to the page.

It's the part after v= in your link. So r9vvMr_QUEs makes:

 

[blstoker]

It's the part after v= in your link. So r9vvMr_QUEs makes:

Thanks.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I didn't say he doesn't have an arm or legs. I said neither are good enough for him to be an elite QB. He will never break the top 5. He's somewhere near the border of top 10 now IMO, and may develop to near top 5. But he will never be an elite QB.

Tell how is his legs not good enough to be elite? He uses them in a different fashion then Newton, RG3, or Kaep, who are more likely to use their legs to run down field. Wilson is more likely to use his legs to buy time to throw the ball...reminds me of Fran Tarkenton in that regard, nobody is more elusive when it comes to buying time for receivers to get open.

As for his arm, well if you want to say RG3, or Kaep, or Newton have a better cannon, I could agree with that to some degree, but to say his arm isn't good enough to be in that group...no way could I agree with that.

 

[Smart]

Russell Wilson is absolutely ripped and has humongous forearms. He can throw the ball 65 yards in the air and had some of the best downfield passing numbers in the league last year. He has a better arm than Kaep or Newton and a comparable arm to RG3.

 

[Smart]

I didn't say he doesn't have an arm or legs. I said neither are good enough for him to be an elite QB. He will never break the top 5. He's somewhere near the border of top 10 now IMO, and may develop to near top 5. But he will never be an elite QB.

This is the most certifiably ridiculous thing I have ever read. He just put up a 115 QB Rating over the last eight games while leading his team (with a mid-ranked OL and receiving corp) to a 7-1 record and 33 PPG.

I hate to break it to you, but Russell Wilson was the best QB in the NFL for half of a season. He is a top five quarterback today, and if he proves the second half of last season wasn't a fluke, he will be the #2 QB in the league a year from now.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Well said Smart!

 

[WizardHawk]

I really struggle with the idea of giving serious rankings to any player with 1 season or less under their belt. The history of the NFL is full of one hit wonders.

Wilson, Kaepernick, Luck, and RGIII all had great college careers and above average first years in the NFL. Do it for more than 2 full seasons and then we can talk rankings.

How many of those 4 will still be at the top of the charts after the end of next season?

 

[JDM]

Arm doesn't mean arm strength. It is the ability to make all the throws. Cam newton shouldn't be in any serious discussion. He is mediocre at best and will never go beyond that.

Wilson had a good first season. I'm not disputing that, and think you should be happy with drafting him. But saying he is a top 5 QB in the NFL right now is absolutely ludicrous. I can't have a serious discussion with someone who can't even pretend to be objective.

 

[WizardHawk]

Relax JDM

Homerism exists, but it doesn't have to end all discussion. Present a reasoned argument and see where it goes. I think you will find many of us have a more realistic view of our team. In fact I just said in the post before yours that any real talk of where a player should be ranked can't be had for anyone until at least two full years and I'd add even then it's with an asterisks. Brady wasn't viewed the way he is until he had been in the league for several years.

I believe at least one of the big 4 from last year will end up a bust within the next 2 years and mostly likely it would be RGIII with his knee problems. Only time will tell for all of them.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Health problems for RG3 may very well be his down fall. If he can stay healthy however I see him as a real talent.

As far as judging QBs after the first year, well it is the off season so why not throw it out there? It can lead to some good debates.

Some other QBs that could be busts IMO are Locker and Newton and they may not be the only ones.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Relax JDM

Homerism exists, but it doesn't have to end all discussion. Present a reasoned argument and see where it goes. I think you will find many of us have a more realistic view of our team. In fact I just said in the post before yours that any real talk of where a player should be ranked can't be had for anyone until at least two full years and I'd add even then it's with an asterisks. Brady wasn't viewed the way he is until he had been in the league for several years.

I believe at least one of the big 4 from last year will end up a bust within the next 2 years and mostly likely it would be RGIII with his knee problems. Only time will tell for all of them.

Beside waiting until it's a known fact , is like a bunch of guys going to the horse races putting down bets, but a couple of the guys saying its to early to say who's going to win..we got to watch the race then we can say which horse is best...what fun is that?

 

[JDM]

I just meant smart, not the rest of you lol.

 

[Smart]

I can't have a serious discussion with someone who can't even pretend to be objective.

I love how you call me out for not being objective when I am using facts/stats and you are using conclusory statements. You insist Luck is better than Wilson, yet the objective stats people at PFF graded Wilson as the #6 QB in the league, #1 over the second half of the year. His score was +40. Luck's was +6. And all of these numbers are adjusted for teammate and opponent quality of play.

Here's a serious question: Name me one thing that Luck objectively does better than Wilson.

It's an impossible question to answer because every single objective measurement favors Wilson.

 

[Jikkle]

Oh, during the reaction show they stated there were still 2 more CBs to be revealed. They also said there were 6 more 49ers, 2 more TEs, 1 more Olineman and 8 more QBs.

I thought 8-10 9ers would make the list so I was close.

The rest should be:

Willis
J Smith
A Smith
Bowman
Gore
V. Davis

Total NFCW players was 17 and now we know 9 are 9ers so that leaves 8 for the rest of the teams.

We have had 4 Seahawks so far (5 if you count Harvin but I don't think they are counting him.)

No way Lynch isn't on the list and I think he'll be the last Hawk reveled so I think the Hawks will have 5 total.

Washington was reveled already and Fitz will be on the list so that makes two Cards

Which leaves one guy from the NFCW unaccounted that is unless Harvin counts.

 

[Smart]

Arm doesn't mean arm strength. It is the ability to make all the throws.

What throw can't he make?

Wilson's QB Rating by where the pass is thrown:

Right Side: 114.2
Left Side: 89.6
Middle: 116.3
Right Sideline: 84.8
Left Sideline: 119.3

Luck's QB Rating by where a pass is thrown:

Right Side: 76.2
Left Side: 78.7
Middle: 92.2
Right Sideline: 71.2
Left Sideline: 69.6

Wilson's QB Rating by distance the ball is thrown:

Behind Line: 94.2
1-10 Yards: 96.2
11-20: 116.2
21-30: 128.2
31-40: 83.6
41+: 48.6

Luck's QB Rating by distance the ball is thrown:

Behind Line: 87.7
1-10 Yards: 80.6
11-20: 62.8
21-30: 83.4
31-40: 79.2
41+: 46.5

Russell Wilson is better at EVERYTHING

Seriously, he is 11 for 11 on the important splits. Yet you have the audacity to claim that I lack objectivity because I think Wilson is better. What are these throws he can't make and where is your objective evidence?