Offseason Discussion-2013 Edition

[MarcoPolo]

Cot's is reporting : 2 years/$9M (2013-14) for Romo

 

[calsnowskier]

Official NRIs:

Pitchers (17): Brett Bochy, Boof Bonser, Fabio Castillo, Edward Concepcion, Steve Edlefsen, Justin Fitzgerald, Chad Gaudin, Heath Hembree, Mitch Lively, Shane Loux, Josh Osich, Scott Proctor, Ramon Ramirez, Ryan Sadowski, Michael Kickham, Mason Tobin, Jose Valdez.

Catchers (5): Tyler LaTorre, Johnny Monell, Guillermo Quiroz, Andrew Susac, Jackson Williams.

Infielders (6): Brock Bond, Adam Duvall, Ricky Oropesa, Joe Panik, Kensuke Tanake, Wilson Valdez.

Outfielders (2): Gary Brown, Cole Gillespie.

40-guys who are not "guarenteed" 25-man spots...

Dunning
Escobar
Heston
Machi
Otero
Petit
Rosario
Runzler
Surkamp
Abreu
Adrianza
Gillaspie
Pill
Noonan
Kieschnick
Peguero
Perez

I cannot find any option data on any of these guys. I know Gillaspie is out, so he is either on the roster or DFA'd. Who else is in that category? I would assume Abreu and Rosario, but what about Runzler, Petit and Machi?

 

[Heathbar012]

Seems like the 49ers should have made halftime adjustments before the game began. I can't believe how terribly they started each of the last 5-6 games, falling behind and then having to come back. Is Harbs wound up so tight that the team isn't ready to play right out of the locker room? What gives?

It could be a motivation issue, game plan issue or just really good preparation and talent on the other side. There is probably a little bit of all three. It's certainly frustrating, but it doesn't bother me as much as not responding in the second half. The Xs and Os of American football make second half adjustments the most important part of a coach's job, more than any other sport. Basketball is close, but so much relies on individual talent at the pro and college levels that most changes are solely match-up and personnel based.

 

[Heathbar012]

Is that Mike Cofer? I think I just vomited a little bit.

 

[Stokes1931]

It could be a motivation issue, game plan issue or just really good preparation and talent on the other side. There is probably a little bit of all three. It's certainly frustrating, but it doesn't bother me as much as not responding in the second half. The Xs and Os of American football make second half adjustments the most important part of a coach's job, more than any other sport. Basketball is close, but so much relies on individual talent at the pro and college levels that most changes are solely match-up and personnel based.

I don't know, Heath. Why not play the 2nd half first?

If the other team is as prepared for the 49ers right out of the gate, shouldn't the 49ers be prepared for the other team being prepared right out of the gate? The last games of the season, and the playoffs, it seemed as though the 49ers needed a wake-up call. Badly.

Every team has a bad start now and then, but this seemed to be developing a pattern. Or maybe it was Harbs' way of building up the confidence of the opposing team, only to crush them in the 2nd half? Can't argue with the results, except for the SB game. (Of course, tzill or one of his alts will argue anyway.)

 

[tzill]

 

[tzill]

I don't know, Heath. Why not play the 2nd half first?

If the other team is as prepared for the 49ers right out of the gate, shouldn't the 49ers be prepared for the other team being prepared right out of the gate? The last games of the season, and the playoffs, it seemed as though the 49ers needed a wake-up call. Badly.

Every team has a bad start now and then, but this seemed to be developing a pattern. Or maybe it was Harbs' way of building up the confidence of the opposing team, only to crush them in the 2nd half? Can't argue with the results, except for the SB game. (Of course, tzill or one of his alts will argue anyway.)

Nothing to argue about. My position all along was that we didn't have a championship defense. This was made clear to me in Foxboro, and nothing after that appeared to argue against that. They got one game further than they probably should have, due mostly to good fortune.

They are positioned to contend for years; I'm good with that.

 

[Robotech]

Is that Mike Cofer? I think I just vomited a little bit.

Looks like Joe Nedney.

 

[calsnowskier]

Is that Mike Cofer? I think I just vomited a little bit.

I am still pissed at Cofer. If he had made that XP, I would have won a couple hundred dollars in a SB squares pool.


grrrrr

 

[msgkings322]

Nothing to argue about. My position all along was that we didn't have a championship defense. This was made clear to me in Foxboro, and nothing after that appeared to argue against that. They got one game further than they probably should have, due mostly to good fortune.

They are positioned to contend for years; I'm good with that.

According to gp, Kaep isn't going back to the SB, a la Dan Marino

 

[Heathbar012]

Looks like Joe Nedney.

Ah, the left-footed Mike Cofer. I kid.

 

[Heathbar012]

I don't know, Heath. Why not play the 2nd half first?

If the other team is as prepared for the 49ers right out of the gate, shouldn't the 49ers be prepared for the other team being prepared right out of the gate? The last games of the season, and the playoffs, it seemed as though the 49ers needed a wake-up call. Badly.

Every team has a bad start now and then, but this seemed to be developing a pattern. Or maybe it was Harbs' way of building up the confidence of the opposing team, only to crush them in the 2nd half? Can't argue with the results, except for the SB game. (Of course, tzill or one of his alts will argue anyway.)

Oh, sure. Two slow starts in a row (and in important games, no less) are something to be worried about (as are late game collapses, of course). I was merely commenting on the importance of adjustments (even when things are going well) that exists on a massive scale in American football. It far exceeds any other sport. That is not meant to be an excuse for starting flat. I just think if you're going to fault a coach for poor motivation/preparation/whatever "caused" the flat start, you have to credit them for righting the ship, as well (at least enough to make a game close). Certainly, I'd rather not witness the bad beginning, but I enjoy observing the shifts in game plans, so I almost hold that trait in higher regard.

 

[SFAnthem]

Is that Mike Cofer? I think I just vomited a little bit.

Edit: Robo beat me to it

 

[gp956]

It could be a motivation issue, game plan issue or just really good preparation and talent on the other side. There is probably a little bit of all three. It's certainly frustrating, but it doesn't bother me as much as not responding in the second half. The Xs and Os of American football make second half adjustments the most important part of a coach's job, more than any other sport. Basketball is close, but so much relies on individual talent at the pro and college levels that most changes are solely match-up and personnel based.

I heard an interview with Fangio, and he all but dismissed the "second half adjustments" meme. In reality, he stated, teams are constantly making adjustments. And further, that sometimes the actual working time between halves, i.e. 12 minutes, is shorter than the time between defensive series.

 

[SFGRTB]

Zito is open to an extension. Wants to retire an SF Giant.

 

[msgkings322]

Zito is open to an extension. Wants to retire an SF Giant.

And if he gives us more 2012 type performances I am right there with him. What would a durable 2012 Zito (lefty innings eater) get? $10 mil/yr?

 

[SFGRTB]

And if he gives us more 2012 type performances I am right there with him. What would a durable 2012 Zito (lefty innings eater) get? $10 mil/yr?

I would be on board with him signing too. IMO there would be a good amount of teams looking to sign him, he is pretty much what you look for as a back end starter. Plus, he's a great team player, I think that's the thing about Zito I've come to respect the most.

 

[Heathbar012]

I heard an interview with Fangio, and he all but dismissed the "second half adjustments" meme. In reality, he stated, teams are constantly making adjustments. And further, that sometimes the actual working time between halves, i.e. 12 minutes, is shorter than the time between defensive series.

Semantics. What one person calls "second half adjustments" can be "in-game adjustments." The impact on offense isn't usually shown until the second half where a tweak in the game plan opens things up for a play that wasn't practiced all week. I can understand Fangio seeing it as a misnomer because technology allows him to speak to his assistants anytime and top players immediately after a series, and the necessity of early defensive adjustments have things fairly well set up by half time. My interest is more in the impact of the adjustments, which rarely occur before the second half, due to better understanding of the opposing team's game plan.

 

[Robotech]

And if he gives us more 2012 type performances I am right there with him. What would a durable 2012 Zito (lefty innings eater) get? $10 mil/yr?

In today's market, $10 mil/yr is probably reasonable. Zito's shown himself to be a reliable back end starter. I don't think we have anyone ready from the farm, so why not?

 

[calsnowskier]

We have Stratton, who MAY be ready by mid '14. Blackburn and Crick may be available by mid '15 or so. We also have Kickham, Heston, Surkamp, etc who can be decent 4/5s.

While I am OK with resigning Zito, it needs to be for value and with an understanding of what is expected from Song and Timmeh long term.