James Harden Traded to the LA Clippers

[Mecca]

Yeah but even if Chicago implodes, the rest of the league gets to join on the bidding too. That was my point. You arent getting a top player 50-75 player with just future picks and expiring contracts.

Someone said it above. Very similar spot that the Lakers were in last year. Guys like Rui, DLo ect are the type of players they are looking at realistically.

Oh, I agree from a asset position.

This wouldn't be a Beal salary dump.

Philly would have to pony up.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Yeah but even if Chicago implodes, the rest of the league gets to join on the bidding too. That was my point. You arent getting a top player 50-75 player with just future picks and expiring contracts. Someone will beat that offer. The Chicago GM might as well be signing his own termination papers to only take picks 3-6 years down the road in exchange for his best asset.

Someone said it above. Very similar spot that the Lakers were in last year. Guys like Rui, DLo ect are the type of players they are looking at realistically. This trade gives the 76ers a chance to re-shufffle the deck chairs. It doesnt give them the flexibility to get a new boat.

Those guys didn’t cost the Lakers picks to acquire. The Lakers shipped a 2nd and a 1st in order for a team to swallow the Westbrook contract. The Sixers have more to offer than what Beal went for. Not as much to offer for what KD or Dame went for. Those guys are top 30 players.

You can definitely land a top 50 player for the picks and expirings the Sixers can offer.

 

[trojanfan12]

Hopefully balling in a go nowhere wasteland is the piece that will allow him to sacrifice personal stats to play a role on a team with aspirations. Also…it’s gotta suck running up and down the floor living the Jordan Poole Experience.

Yeah, Kuz is an interesting cat and he does not lack for confidence. When Lebron 1st came to the baby Lakers, he was the one guy who would challenge him.

I think he's smart enough to know what being a #3 in Philly could mean, but he also has so much confidence that I could see him thinking he can lead a contender.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Yeah, Kuz is an interesting cat and he does not lack for confidence. When Lebron 1st came to the baby Lakers, he was the one guy who would challenge him.

I think he's smart enough to know what being a #3 in Philly could mean, but he also has so much confidence that I could see him thinking he can lead a contender.

Personally, I want a guy with that kind of talent who realizes that he can do some all around work with only 12-15 shots a game. I know it’s only three games but thinking back to his time in Toronto…Nick Nurse offense the ball moves and they value the best look. He’s got Joel Fucking Embiid putting up 6,7,8 assists in his first three games. If Kuz is the open shot through the ball movement he will have a green light.

 

[Mecca]

Those guys didn’t cost the Lakers picks to acquire. The Lakers shipped a 2nd and a 1st in order for a team to swallow the Westbrook contract. The Sixers have more to offer than what Beal went for. Not as much to offer for what KD or Dame went for. Those guys are top 30 players.

You can definitely land a top 50 player for the picks and expirings the Sixers can offer.

If the Raptors flounder, maybe OG or Pascal shake lose at the deadline.

But, you would be outbid if you think all you need to get a deal done is what you got from the Clips.

Good news is, wait a year and you could have the chance to sign one outright.

You will have close to 60 mil and this is your potential shopping list.

 

[Mecca]

Those guys didn’t cost the Lakers picks to acquire. The Lakers shipped a 2nd and a 1st in order for a team to swallow the Westbrook contract. The Sixers have more to offer than what Beal went for. Not as much to offer for what KD or Dame went for. Those guys are top 30 players.

You can definitely land a top 50 player for the picks and expirings the Sixers can offer.

The Knicks could easily outbid you.

Don't know if they would be interested in Lavine.

But, OG and Pascal, yeah.

 

[ducky]

Those guys didn’t cost the Lakers picks to acquire. The Lakers shipped a 2nd and a 1st in order for a team to swallow the Westbrook contract. The Sixers have more to offer than what Beal went for. Not as much to offer for what KD or Dame went for. Those guys are top 30 players.

You can definitely land a top 50 player for the picks and expirings the Sixers can offer.

Name one. Just one.

(and if you find one, name two )

The player has to be a complete cancer like Harden and for the relationship with the team to completely fall apart for it to happen like that. And I dont see one of those scenarios out there right now.

 

[fightinfunbags]

If the Raptors flounder, maybe OG or Pascal shake lose at the deadline.

But, you would be outbid if you think all you need to get a deal done is what you got from the Clips.

Good news is, wait a year and you could have the chance to sign one outright.

You will have close to 60 mil and this is your potential shopping list.

Ideally Morey makes the next deal by Christmas. And even if that deal adds salary, they still have 30+ cap space for that value player in FA.

 

[Hornsstampede2.0]

SIXERS with HARDEN = 3rd best team in the East, no chance of ever beating BOS/MIL, but too good to tank.

SIXERS without HARDEN = Arguably the 3rd best team in the East, no chance of ever beating BOS/MIL, but too good to tank.
But now they have flexibility to go in diffrent directions if opportunities arises. They did not have any flexibility before.


The Sixers did really well, when you look at the Purgatory they were facing. Somehow they escaped it unscathed.
They improved their future greatly without changing their present at all.

I give them an A- honestly. It would have been an A+ had they gotten a little better current players, but the trade worked well for them.

 

[fightinfunbags]

The Knicks could easily outbid you.

Don't know if they would be interested in Lavine.

But, OG and Pascal, yeah.

OG fits the Knicks well. Pascal would entail a swap of Randle. Not sure that makes the Knicks better. Like I said in the other post, Morey has to look at a Christmas Day deadline for the next move so that he isn’t competing with others at the deadline.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Name one. Just one.

(and if you find one, name two )

The player has to be a complete cancer like Harden and for the relationship with the team to completely fall apart for it to happen like that. And I dont see one of those scenarios out there right now.

OG Anunoby
Jerami Grant
Pascal Siakam
Kyle Kuzma

These are just guys named in this thread today.

 

[Mecca]

SIXERS with HARDEN = 3rd best team in the East, no chance of ever beating BOS/MIL, but too good to tank.

SIXERS without HARDEN = Arguably the 3rd best team in the East, no chance of ever beating BOS/MIL, but too good to tank.
But now they have flexibility to go in diffrent directions if opportunities arises. They did not have any flexibility before.


The Sixers did really well, when you look at the Purgatory they were facing. Somehow they escaped it unscathed.
They improved their future greatly without changing their present at all.

I give them an A- honestly. It would have been an A+ had they gotten a little better current players, but the trade worked well for them.

They traded expiring contracts for expiring contracts.

They would have had 50 mil next year if they simply sent him home.

The big win is addition by subtraction and ending this nauseating chapter with that malcontent.

 

[shopson67]

Because if a team is going into a rebuild they’re setting up the team they’re dealing to with help in 24 and 25. It’s likely to already be a playoff caliber team and the move was done to seemingly make them better. With the Clippers distant picks and even the Sixers own distant picks there is a stronger potential that those picks will be in the lottery. Do you prefer say a David Roddy type pick at 21 or 22 or do you want to take a spin on the lottery 3, 4 years down the line to help complete your rebuild when you’re already going to have lottery swings in 24 and 25 with your own tanking team?

I'm not betting on the Clippers or especially the Sixers bottoming out into the high lottery. Similar reasoning was used to prop up the Lakers' future picks because they were beyond the Lebron/AD window, but I don't buy that the Lakers will bottom out either. The only reasons they did for Ball/Randle etc was because of the poor outcome of the Howard trade (along with an inept front office including Jimmy Buss) and the Achilles injury robbing Kobe of a more natural fade to his career.

The GMs making these trades may not have the job 5-6 years from now.

 

[fightinfunbags]

SIXERS with HARDEN = 3rd best team in the East, no chance of ever beating BOS/MIL, but too good to tank.

SIXERS without HARDEN = Arguably the 3rd best team in the East, no chance of ever beating BOS/MIL, but too good to tank.
But now they have flexibility to go in diffrent directions if opportunities arises. They did not have any flexibility before.


The Sixers did really well, when you look at the Purgatory they were facing. Somehow they escaped it unscathed.
They improved their future greatly without changing their present at all.

I give them an A- honestly. It would have been an A+ had they gotten a little better current players, but the trade worked well for them.

If you take this back to Ben Simmons implosion in the Hawks series and him asking out it has taken the Sixers two years to turn:

Ben Simmons
Seth Curry
Andre Drummond
2023 1st round pick

Into

Batum
RoCo
Marcus Morris
2026 1st round pick
2028 1st round pick
2029 1st round pick swap
2024 2nd
2027 2nd

That’s not bad when you consider what Ben Simmons has become. The thing that can’t be forgotten though is that it’s taken two years to get here and they still aren’t done getting the usable pieces. Two years in which Joel Embiid was in the middle of his 3 years in a row top 2 in MVP voting. Morey needs to nail this next deal plus FA this summer.

 

[fightinfunbags]

They traded expiring contracts for expiring contracts.

They would have had 50 mil next year if they simply sent him home.

The big win is addition by subtraction and ending this nauseating chapter with that malcontent.

Tucker would have been 11 million on the 24-25 cap so they shed some future salary as well.

 

[Mecca]

OG Anunoby
Jerami Grant
Pascal Siakam
Kyle Kuzma

These are just guys named in this thread today.

My talking out the side of my ass idea?

Cavs get anxious, Bulls implode.....

Lavine to Cavs, Mitchell to 6ers, trash and picks to the Bulls.

Again : This hasn't been mentioned ANYWHERE.

Just playing fantasy trade machine.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I'm not betting on the Clippers or especially the Sixers bottoming out into the high lottery. Similar reasoning was used to prop up the Lakers' future picks because they were beyond the Lebron/AD window, but I don't buy that the Lakers will bottom out either. The only reasons they did for Ball/Randle etc was because of the poor outcome of the Howard trade (along with an inept front office including Jimmy Buss) and the Achilles injury robbing Kobe of a more natural fade to his career.

The GMs making these trades may not have the job 5-6 years from now.

Your last point is your best one. The people making the move may not even be employed anymore if they don’t hit on their own teams pick during the tanking stage of the rebuild.

You cited the Lakers but I’m talking about the Sixers and Clippers, two franchises that have spent a number of years in the lottery.

 

[shopson67]

DLo
Vanderbilt
Rui

Did I leave anybody out?

They only used the 2027 first that converts to a 2nd if the Lakers bottom out in the bottom 5 (and some 2nds for Rui), so it depends on how many picks the Sixers use. If they use all 3, they should have a much better haul. For what the Lakers used, they got good value and retained the other tradeable 1st.

 

[shopson67]

My talking out the side of my ass idea?

Cavs get anxious, Bulls implode.....

Lavine to Cavs, Mitchell to 6ers, trash and picks to the Bulls.

Again : This hasn't been mentioned ANYWHERE.

Just playing fantasy trade machine.

Cavs have another year before needing to move Mitchell. He's been discussed only because his extension eligibility is coming up, his player option isn't until '25/'26. Would the Sixers hold out for that?

 

[fightinfunbags]

My talking out the side of my ass idea?

Cavs get anxious, Bulls implode.....

Lavine to Cavs, Mitchell to 6ers, trash and picks to the Bulls.

Again : This hasn't been mentioned ANYWHERE.

Just playing fantasy trade machine.

I hope the Sixers aren’t interested in Mitchell. Great player but I don’t know how he and Maxey co-exist. What you want Maxey to be is a more efficient Mitchell.

My bust out: the Warriors realize that their group is more well-rounded with Tobias Harris and they trade the Sixers Wiggins, Dray, or Klay for Harris, a future first and a future swap.