Game Thread: Game 6: Lions @ Cowboys

[Gulf of Brazil]

Does he not do cardio?

Dude looks gassed every second half.

He was the same last year while playing for U of M.

It's only my opinion, so take as you like, but Hutch plays too high of a % of defensive snaps and has done so minus that 2nd half of the game versus the Commanders.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

About 5 other times Judon flew upfield at Goff, often with a tackle pushing him further upfield as well. Goff sees him coming and tries to step backwards to outrun a guy who first of all is faster than him, and second already going full speed. Every time he not only got sacked, but also lost additional yards, and in one case even panicked and dropped the football. Absolutely zero pocket presseence or situational awareness. He's just never gonna get it, and it's bringing the whole team down.

I hate to burst the bubble on Goff, but there are numerous other starting NFL QB's that play nearly or just as bad as Goff has played these last two games and if we're being completely unbiased then it's pretty much the entire game against the Patriots and only the 4th quarter versus the Cowboys that his play has been complete garbage.

We can nitpick plays or even complete drives where Goff could have played better, but it's mostly those 5 quarters that have cost this team a so-called possibility to have a chance getting the win.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

Should Goff not turn his game around to his play during the first 4 games and ends up being the focal point of blame for losing 3-4 games with what remains on the schedule then he should be replaced by a 2023 drafted QB.

Hell, this team isn't ready for a QB to take the helm of this ship unless all these injured defensive players come back and play well for the remainder of games left. There are too many unknowns with the defense right now to know for sure if this team's only need is a franchise QB to get them over the hump.

I've got to see what Pashal, Cominsky, Romeo Okwara do once all are healthy and then see what Joseph, Melifonwu, Jacobs can contribute.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

I liked how AG used Okudah as a Star/Money LB yesterday and wonder if that will happen more often or was it merely the game plan/scheme yesterday. There were a half-dozen plays where he was lined up in the box yesterday. Okudah still had outside CB duties as well, but his play in that role surely was beneficial.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

Lions are still in need of drafting an elite edge rushing/edge run defender, an elite primary 3-tech DT, an outside CB and a nickel CB - the latter being that none of the Lions current NB are worthy as capable starters going forward - I wanted to see Melifonwu given that opportunity, but it doesn't appear that AG and DC are going that route with him.

 

[Mebert]

Should Goff not turn his game around to his play during the first 4 games and ends up being the focal point of blame for losing 3-4 games with what remains on the schedule then he should be replaced by a 2023 drafted QB.

Hell, this team isn't ready for a QB to take the helm of this ship unless all these injured defensive players come back and play well for the remainder of games left. There are too many unknowns with the defense right now to know for sure if this team's only need is a franchise QB to get them over the hump.

I've got to see what Pashal, Cominsky, Romeo Okwara do once all are healthy and then see what Joseph, Melifonwu, Jacobs can contribute.

Defensively the team is not ready, but from an offense standpoint Detroit is an ideal spot for a rookie to step in. Very good oline that even has depth. Good stable of runningbacks. Solid receiving options. Good player caller in charge.

Lions would not start winning just because we got in Young or Stroud, but we would give the QB more tools than almost any other team that would be picking in that spot. Lions just need to spend money on defense this offseason to build up one that is at least league average.

 

[Mebert]

Defensively the team is not ready, but from an offense standpoint Detroit is an ideal spot for a rookie to step in. Very good oline that even has depth. Good stable of runningbacks. Solid receiving options. Good player caller in charge.

Lions would not start winning just because we got in Young or Stroud, but we would give the QB more tools than almost any other team that would be picking in that spot. Lions just need to spend money on defense this offseason to build up one that is at least league average.

I would friggen love Will Anderson to be paired with Hutchinson. Cover a lot of the lack of talent we have in most of our CB's.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

Lions just need to spend money on defense this offseason to build up one that is at least league average.

They don't have the money next year to spend - currently 24M in cap space with only 35 players under contract. You could add approximately 10M by cutting Brockers, however that's not going to help sign anyone of significance in my opinion. Yes, there might be others to consider releasing or waiving but they're still in dire straits financially.

16M for draft picks, 3.5M for P.S., 5-6M for IR replacements and the list goes on and on - and that's just for starters

 

[Mebert]

They don't have the money next year to spend - currently 24M in cap space with only 35 players under contract. You could add approximately 10M by cutting Brockers, however that's not going to help sign anyone of significance in my opinion. Yes, there might be others to consider releasing or waiving but they're still in dire straits financially.

I would be ok with drafting some. I think it is a safe bet that they won't be spending an day 1 or 2 pick on a LB that does not rush the passer, and Rodriguez has made that a slightly smaller concern, but unless they are taking a QB every pick in rounds 1-3 should be defense.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

Detroit Lions NFL snap counts against Dallas Cowboys - Sports Illustrated Detroit Lions News, Analysis and More

Detroit Lions snap counts against the Dallas Cowboys.

www.si.com

Cowboys game

• Aidan Hutchinson: (56) 89% -- Five special teams snaps (23%)

Patriots game
Aidan Hutchinson: 57 (95%) — 7 (37%)

Seahawks game
Aidan Hutchinson: 57 (81%) — 9 (27%)

Vikings game
Aidan Hutchinson: 57 (79%) — 6 (21%)

Commander's game
Aidan Hutchinson: 60 (81%) — 2 (6%)

Eagles game
Aidan Hutchinson: 69 (90%) — 6 (19%)

BB_72: that's a ridiculous high % of snaps for an edge rusher/edge defender while also being a rookie.

 

[Old Lion]

I hate to burst the bubble on Goff, but there are numerous other starting NFL QB's that play nearly or just as bad as Goff has played these last two games and if we're being completely unbiased then it's pretty much the entire game against the Patriots and only the 4th quarter versus the Cowboys that his play has been complete garbage.

We can nitpick plays or even complete drives where Goff could have played better, but it's mostly those 5 quarters that have cost this team a so-called possibility to have a chance getting the win.

Disagree here. We can nitpick the 2 games we lost by less than 7 points that he gave up pick sixes

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

I would friggen love Will Anderson to be paired with Hutchinson. Cover a lot of the lack of talent we have in most of our CB's.

They still need or at a minimum be looking at possible shutdown CB in this next draft, but until they add an elite edge rushing/run defender all the rest is a moot point as far as I can see.

Will Anderson will be an awesome addition to the defensive front.

I don't believe BH values LB or even a Safety in those 1st and 2nd rounds and rightfully so in my opinion.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

Disagree here. We can nitpick the 2 games we lost by less than 7 points that he gave up pick sixes

You might want to take your blinders off when it comes to hating specific Lions players and specifically Goff or Seibert. All you have to do is go look at every single team, no matter what their win/loss record is, and you'll find numerous starting QB's who fail in many of the same aspects as Goff does - I am not going to battle with you on Goff's pick sixes and how no other QB this has done that - might want to look at Andy Dalton and his play after Winston went down and money being paid to Goff and what others are receiving is no fucking argument either.

All I'm stating is that there are other starting QB's that are playing worse than Goff has played to date as a whole. Matt Ryan rings a bell.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

Top PFF-graded offensive players

• TE Brock Wright -- 78.6
• TE T.J. Hockenson -- 73.9
• WR Kalif Raymond -- 73.8
• G Evan Brown -- 72.9
• C Frank Ragnow -- 71.3
• T Penei Sewell -- 69.7

Worst PFF-graded offensive players

• WR Josh Reynolds -- 55.1
• RB Jamaal Williams -- 55.0
• QB Jared Goff -- 54.8
• RB Justin Jackson -- 53.5
• TE James Mitchell -- 52.2
• T Dan Skipper -- 46.4

Top PFF-graded defensive player

• CB Jeff Okudah -- 86.1
• DE Aidan Hutchinson -- 78.1
• LB Derrick Barnes -- 74.8
• S DeShon Elliott -- 70.2
• S JuJu Hughes -- 68.1
• S Kerby Joseph -- 67.0

Worst PFF-graded defensive players

• LB Julian Okwara -- 55.3
• CB A.J. Parker -- 53.9
• DT Isaiah Buggs -- 53.0
• DT Benito Jones -- 51.4
• LB Alex Anzalone -- 36.5
• CB Jerry Jacobs -- 28.4

 

[Mebert]

You might want to take your blinders off when it comes to hating specific Lions players and specifically Goff or Seibert. All you have to do is go look at every single team, no matter what their win/loss record is, and you'll find numerous starting QB's who fail in many of the same aspects as Goff does - I am not going to battle with you on Goff's pick sixes and how no other QB this has done that - might want to look at Andy Dalton and his play after Winston went down and money being paid to Goff and what others are receiving is no fucking argument either.

All I'm stating is that there are other starting QB's that are playing worse than Goff has played to date as a whole. Matt Ryan rings a bell.

I think we can all agree that Anzalone deserves all of the hate and should get less than 0 snaps

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

I sure as hell wouldn't be paying extravagant money or even thinking about extending Hockenson either. You can draft a fricking receiving TE that isn't very good at YAC or is highly questionable at blocking whether it's run or pass blocking.

Hock would be the very first player I would be looking to trade and at THIS year's trade deadline if the gain in pick(s) was more than adequate.

 

[Old Lion]

You might want to take your blinders off when it comes to hating specific Lions players and specifically Goff or Seibert. All you have to do is go look at every single team, no matter what their win/loss record is, and you'll find numerous starting QB's who fail in many of the same aspects as Goff does - I am not going to battle with you on Goff's pick sixes and how no other QB this has done that - might want to look at Andy Dalton and his play after Winston went down and money being paid to Goff and what others are receiving is no fucking argument either.

All I'm stating is that there are other starting QB's that are playing worse than Goff has played to date as a whole. Matt Ryan rings a bell.

And they and that point are irrelevant. Goff is losing games with his mistakes. The NFL games are always close for the most part and those type of huge mistakes will keep us from winning regardless of what else is going on.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

I think we can all agree that Anzalone deserves all of the hate and should get less than 0 snaps

Anzalone has his significant number of bad plays, but for the most part, he has been of some help to the younger players as a mentor - like it or not - there are LB that are currently rated worse than him.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

And they and that point are irrelevant. Goff is losing games with his mistakes. The NFL games are always close for the most part and those type of huge mistakes will keep us from winning regardless of what else is going on.

and so will having a shitty defense for those first 5 games to start the season

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Goff, but I surely cannot and will not blame him entirely for these losses. You might want to look at the defensive play, a Head Coach who has had considerable bad calls, an DC in AG who has made poor decisions and so has the rookie OC in Ben Johnson. It's all collaborative.

 

[Old Lion]

and so will having a shitty defense for those first 5 games to start the season

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Goff, but I surely cannot and will not blame him entirely for these losses. You might want to look at the defensive play, a Head Coach who has had considerable bad calls, an DC in AG who has made poor decisions and so has the rookie OC in Ben Johnson. It's all collaborative.

DC has sucked all year too. He is the other reason we cant win. At least we got a kicker who can kick straight. Even made one over 50. Even Patterson is 10 for 11. Seibert (and the other guy) was definitely reason number 3.

I still have hope DC might finally get his head out of his ass and become an average in-game coach.