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No criminal charges for Deshaun Watson

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OK...but you even agree with me she cannot get something other than money.
I agree, unless she is asking to file her case separately for a defense trial or asking to remove the non-disclosure clause. More likely the latter with what others suggested.
 

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I don't know as I have not seen the accusations of very many of the women and cannot say I know what legally rises to the level of sexual assualt and/or misconduct. My guess? Probably.

will you ever tell me if there's anything you could hear that you might say, "now wait a minute...."?
OK, say ""Deshaun Watson probably committed sexual assault and sexual misconduct" We'll take baby steps at this point

absolutely there are some things I question. I'm interested to see of the 4 that didn't settle who the other 3 are - we know who one is. I wonder if he thinks those 3 (or one or tow of them) are cases he can win because he did no wrong in them. I'm focusing on the big picture and that tells me he is guilty and you don't need anything more than what has already been stated in this thread to know that. I don't let one possibly questionable accusation cloud my thoughts on him being a criminal or not
 

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That is not true. I have answered everything you have asked me. I don't have an agenda, but I am certainly speculating just like you, which makes not a single shred of this fact.
But this was what I said for which you claimed I was his PR director..."I would think they (the NFL) would care more about what his actual indiscretions are never mind all you are doing is guessing he lied."

Are you saying the NFL should not care more about what he actually did than anything else?
 

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Sorry were you actually expecting it to be the NFL answering you??? :noidea:

Here's the deal. There will always be teams that are singled out here each year because of their own doing (it has been New England, Seattle, Philly and Dallas is always in the mix). No one gives a shit about the Browns per se'. They are probably one of the teams people have the least amount of an opinion about in the league. But when you go on and on (not all Browns fans of course, just a couple) arguing with everyone for 100 pages on multiple threads about crap that is obviously wrong don't expect silence. That's just how the internet works. The dumb comments get responses from the masses

Obviously you all care very much about the Browns. For whatever strange reason.
 

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OK, say ""Deshaun Watson probably committed sexual assault and sexual misconduct" We'll take baby steps at this point

absolutely there are some things I question. I'm interested to see of the 4 that didn't settle who the other 3 are - we know who one is. I wonder if he thinks those 3 (or one or tow of them) are cases he can win because he did no wrong in them. I'm focusing on the big picture and that tells me he is guilty and you don't need anything more than what has already been stated in this thread to know that. I don't let one possibly questionable accusation cloud my thoughts on him being a criminal or not
I just did say that. ....I only said I'm not certain what makes something rise to a level of assault or misconduct.

What I meant by my question was is there any accusation you could hear that was made where you might question the victim? Or should you just admit you don't care what it is...if it's an accusation of Watson you'll buy it.
 

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NFL PA - "Based off precedent, 6 to 8 game suspension is excessive".

Lmao, *spits out beverage*, dafaq are you talking about NFL?
At the end of the day, it was 24 ( only God knows how many more actually ) cases.
 

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I just did say that. ....I only said I'm not certain what makes something rise to a level of assault or misconduct.

What I meant by my question was is there any accusation you could hear that was made where you might question the victim? Or should you just admit you don't care what it is...if it's an accusation of Watson you'll buy it.
You didn't get a crystal clear answer to that from what I wrote? I thought maybe the word absolutely would give it away, but I was pretty sure the next two sentences drove home the point if it didn't :noidea:
 

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No one cares about the Browns. We are answering and contesting stupid opinions by a couple of Browns fans
I mean, most of those opinions are supported by logic, facts and/or reason with no agenda.

Your opinions on Watson are agenda based. Pretty much all of them.

Own it.
 

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No one cares about the Browns. We are answering and contesting stupid opinions by a couple of Browns fans

So the half dozen threads involving the Browns of which none were started by Browns fans is an indication that no one on the board cares about the Browns.

Got it.

I generally start topics of discussion that lasts pages about stuff I don't care about.
 

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Nope. Is he? Likely on some level.
On some level?

I mean - there are no levels.

Either he IS a sexual predator, or he IS NOT. There isn't an in between state here, and an insinuation contrary is most certainly agenda driven to lessen the blow that HE IS a predator. His actions warrant such a charge against his character.
 

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I mean, most of those opinions are supported by logic, facts and/or reason with no agenda.

Your opinions on Watson are agenda based. Pretty much all of them.

Own it.
You literally take what is said to you by others and say it back to other people. It's kind of bizarre at this point. I don't want to call it psychotic, but...?
 

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You didn't get a crystal clear answer to that from what I wrote? I thought maybe the word absolutely would give it away, but I was pretty sure the next two sentences drove home the point if it didn't :noidea:
I forgot I sometimes have to explain things to you like you are a 4-year-old. Your answer didn't really have to do with whether you are able to question the actual accusations by the women. Please feel free to tell me what among this blather says whether there is an accusation you might question......."I'm interested to see of the 4 that didn't settle who the other 3 are - we know who one is. I wonder if he thinks those 3 (or one or tow of them) are cases he can win because he did no wrong in them. I'm focusing on the big picture and that tells me he is guilty and you don't need anything more than what has already been stated in this thread to know that. I don't let one possibly questionable accusation cloud my thoughts on him being a criminal or not."

I'll ask again though and hopefully another question wont scare you into avoidance, deflection, denial, etc. Is there any accusation you could hear where you might say, "now wait a minute"? I'll add another and ask if that has happened yet with any of them....in your eyes have there been any "possibly questionable accusations"?
 

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So the half dozen threads involving the Browns of which none were started by Browns fans is an indication that no one on the board cares about the Browns.

Got it.

I generally start topics of discussion that lasts pages about stuff I don't care about.
Wrong. Those types of threads exist with all fan bases. The Browns just happen to have a couple of fans who are arguing against what everyone else thinks in those threads and thus the 100 pages. See Wentz and Brady threads...
 

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On some level?

I mean - there are no levels.

Either he IS a sexual predator, or he IS NOT. There isn't an in between state here, and an insinuation contrary is most certainly agenda driven to lessen the blow that HE IS a predator. His actions warrant such a charge against his character.
No levels? r*pe is the same as masturbating in front of someone (if he did that)?
 

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You literally take what is said to you by others and say it back to other people. It's kind of bizarre at this point. I don't want to call it psychotic, but...?
what I literally do if I disagree with someone is explain why using logic, facts or reason with no agenda.

You can call it psychotic if you want to be overly dramatic. we are all entitled to our opinions.
 

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But this was what I said for which you claimed I was his PR director..."I would think they (the NFL) would care more about what his actual indiscretions are never mind all you are doing is guessing he lied."

Are you saying the NFL should not care more about what he actually did than anything else?
My problem with this line of thinking is that the NFL may not be fully aware of all his indiscretions either. Should he be punished for shit he didn't do? Absolutely not, and you don't know that all these women are telling the truth.

However, this is not a case of one or two women trying to capitalize. This is 26 of 66 women making claims and all with no evidence, because last I checked, you are not allowed to video private massage sessions. So without video evidence, pregnancy or a wad of jizz stuck in a girls eye, there is very little proof. A ton of athletes get massages, and I can't think of another athlete getting sued right now by one woman for this same indiscretion, more less 24-26 claims in a 3 year period. Where there is smoke, there is fire, and I tend to believe based on this single observation, that he is a habitual sex offender.

I know you are not saying he is innocent. That you are stating you don't know what is true, what is not. That there is no evidence. I know you are not saying he shouldn't be punished and be forced into counseling. However, I would think we as a group based on what we are seeing and hearing, why can't we make personal claims that he is douchebag and deserves to have the book thrown at him and we don't mind that Ashley still has unfinished business with Mr. Watson? I mean, based on what we are hearing, you don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to know that Watson is a 1st class asshole and deserves to be punished.
 

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I forgot I sometimes have to explain things to you like you are a 4-year-old. Your answer didn't really have to do with whether you are able to question the actual accusations by the women. Please feel free to tell me what among this blather says whether there is an accusation you might question......."I'm interested to see of the 4 that didn't settle who the other 3 are - we know who one is. I wonder if he thinks those 3 (or one or tow of them) are cases he can win because he did no wrong in them. I'm focusing on the big picture and that tells me he is guilty and you don't need anything more than what has already been stated in this thread to know that. I don't let one possibly questionable accusation cloud my thoughts on him being a criminal or not."

I'll ask again though and hopefully another question wont scare you into avoidance, deflection, denial, etc. Is there any accusation you could hear where you might say, "now wait a minute"? I'll add another and ask if that has happened yet with any of them....in your eyes have there been any "possibly questionable accusations"?
Gee, I don't know, perhaps the very first sentence that you purposely left out that literally said and I quote "absolutely there are some things I question."

How could one be any clearer than that? You really have mental issues dude. You'd argue the sun isn't guaranteed to come up the next morning if it made the Browns look better
 

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No levels? r*pe is the same as masturbating in front of someone (if he did that)?
But, both are crimes so either way he's a criminal and sexual predator. But of course you need to add "if he did that" :L . That right there is why you literally have zero credibility on anything
 
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