The LeBron in Winter

[R.J. MacReady]

It's funny you don't know what you're talking about.

Game one- '18 Finals. After the game, James punched a whiteboard with his shooting hand and suffered a sever bone contusion. James played the next three games with an injured right hand.

The Warriors didn't even know that happened until after the Finals. He didn't fake anything. But I can understand why the LeBron haters out there would want to believe something that's false.

Article- Warriors had no idea LeBron had injured his hand in 2018 Finals

Let me gets this right,

Your defense of Lebron was that in a moment of extreme unprofessionalism, weakness & immaturity Lebron punches a wall, breaks his hand a costs his fans & teammates a Championship?

That is hysterical.

 

[Wamu]

Let me gets this right,

Your defense of Lebron was that in a moment of extreme unprofessionalism, weakness & immaturity Lebron punches a wall, breaks his hand a **costs his fans & teammates a Championship?

That is hysterical.

Not defending him at all. Remember what you said-

-->To fake an injury<-- after losing the finals was a galactically embarrassing moment that some want to forget.

All I did was point out he didn't fake anything. Correcting your lie.

** = And I hope you weren't suggesting had LeBron not broken his hand the Cavs would have pulled off the upset. Because that wasn't going to happen.

 

[tlance]

Interesting numbers. Shot made in the final 24 seconds & final 5 seconds of a game.


MJ: 9-18 (.500) in the final 24 seconds. 5-11 (.455) in the final 10 seconds

LeBron: 8-20 (.400) in the final 24 seconds. 6-10 (.600) in the final 10 seconds

Kobe: 7-28 (.250) in the final 24 seconds. 5-22 (.227) in the final 10 seconds


For some bizarre reason the article I found- who has the most game winners in history doesn't mention Kobe's playoff numbers but it does for MJ & LeBron. The last 5 seconds of a game.

MJ: 5-11 (.455)

LeBron: 7-15 (.467)


And total game winning shots for career.

Kobe- 26

MJ- 25

LeBron- 19


Kobe has the most game winning shots. But he also has the worst shooting percentage.

I was reading somewhere that if you actually compare overall numbers from elimination games, LeBron’s are far better than his normal playoff averages and basically across the board. Efficiency, production, everything.

Jordan’s were actually worse.

The MJ is “more clutch” argument is really just a myth based on a couple huge moments in the Finals.

 

[tlance]

Let me gets this right,

Your defense of Lebron was that in a moment of extreme unprofessionalism, weakness & immaturity Lebron punches a wall, breaks his hand a costs his fans & teammates a Championship?

That is hysterical.

Didn’t really cost his team anything because they had a 0.0 percent chance of beating the Warriors in 2018.

But yeah, he shouldn’t have punched the whiteboard.

 

[Wamu]

I was reading somewhere that if you actually compare overall numbers from elimination games, LeBron’s are far better than his normal playoff averages and basically across the board. Efficiency, production, everything.

Jordan’s were actually worse.

The MJ is “more clutch” argument is really just a myth based on a couple huge moments in the Finals.

I always like bustin' the balls of LeBron haters with what the numbers really say.

Opinions can be biased. But the stats never are.

 

[shopson67]

I always like bustin' the balls of LeBron haters with what the numbers really say.

Opinions can be biased. But the stats never are.

There is always a stat somewhere to support an argument though, lol.

 

[trojanfan12]

There is always a stat somewhere to support an argument though, lol.

There are lies, damned lies and statistics.

 

[Wamu]

There is always a stat somewhere to support an argument though, lol.

And in some cases people just make shit up. Thought about wiggy while typing this comment.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

No, in my opinion he can’t pass MJ, and Kareem is in the conversation.

The difference is if MJ had played more years, Then he would have won 8 or more... LeBron is a good player by both MJ and Kareem were better.. Unless LeBron could duplicate Kareem's sky hook

 

[trojanfan12]

The difference is if MJ had played more years, Then he would have won 8 or more... LeBron is a good player by both MJ and Kareem were better.. Unless LeBron could duplicate Kareem's sky hook

 

[tlance]

The difference is if MJ had played more years, Then he would have won 8 or more... LeBron is a good player by both MJ and Kareem were better.. Unless LeBron could duplicate Kareem's sky hook

You do realize that there are more things LeBron can do that Kareem couldn’t duplicate, right?

And even without the sky hook, LeBron averages more PPG for his career.

He will need somewhere between 50 and 60 games to pass Kareem for all time leading scorer and he will do that in about 140 fewer regular season games.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

You do realize that there are more things LeBron can do that Kareem couldn’t duplicate, right?

And even without the sky hook, LeBron averages more PPG for his career.

He will need somewhere between 50 and 60 games to pass Kareem for all time leading scorer and he will do that in about 140 fewer regular season games.

Sorry dude, but Kareem was flat out better then LeBron ever was in my book. The numbers don't always tell the entire story.

 

[shopson67]

Sorry dude, but Kareem was flat out better then LeBron ever was in my book. The numbers don't always tell the entire story.

They rarely do when dealing with different eras.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

They rarely do when dealing with different eras.

Agreed, Lebron is a terrific player, but he is not Kareem..

 

[trojanfan12]

Agreed, Lebron is a terrific player, but he is not Kareem..

However, Kareem was a terrific player, but he's not Lebron.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

However, Kareem was a terrific player, but he's not Lebron.

No, He isn't..As a person and as a player I have more respect for Kareem then Lebron for a multitude of reasons. I don't believe that takes away from Lebron, but he simply is not quite as great as Kareem was

 

[shopson67]

No, He isn't..As a person and as a player I have more respect for Kareem then Lebron for a multitude of reasons. I don't believe that takes away from Lebron, but he simply is not quite as great as Kareem was

I'm not concerned with who is the better neighbor when discussing NBA greatness.

 

[trojanfan12]

No, He isn't..As a person and as a player I have more respect for Kareem then Lebron for a multitude of reasons. I don't believe that takes away from Lebron, but he simply is not quite as great as Kareem was

Who the better player is, has nothing to do with them as a person. I don't agree with most of Lebron's politics and I don't like some of the things that he's done and said that make him look like he thinks he's bigger than the game.

Most consider MJ the GOAT...but from everything that has come out over the years, the dude was mostly an asshole.

It seems like you are using things you don't like about Lebron personally, to discount his on court play.

But as a player...imo, Magic was the greatest all around player I had ever seen until Lebron came along as a bigger, faster, stronger version of Magic.

Also, as a person, Kareem wasn't all that great himself. For the vast majority of his career, he was standoffish and kept media, fans and even teammates at arms length. The only one that was really ever able to break through that was Magic and that's because Magic really didn't give him much choice.

It's why Kareem never really got a shot at coaching in the NBA like he wanted, despite apparently knowing the game as well as most coaches.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

I'm not concerned with who is the better neighbor when discussing NBA greatness.

I agree - I have already seen enough of that when the younger fans thought Kobe was the second company of Jesus Christ - it's a tired old argument

 

[True Lakers Fan]

Who the better player is, has nothing to do with them as a person. I don't agree with most of Lebron's politics and I don't like some of the things that he's done and said that make him look like he thinks he's bigger than the game.

Most consider MJ the GOAT...but from everything that has come out over the years, the dude was mostly an asshole.

It seems like you are using things you don't like about Lebron personally, to discount his on court play.

But as a player...imo, Magic was the greatest all around player I had ever seen until Lebron came along as a bigger, faster, stronger version of Magic.

Also, as a person, Kareem wasn't all that great himself. For the vast majority of his career, he was standoffish and kept media, fans and even teammates at arms length. The only one that was really ever able to break through that was Magic and that's because Magic really didn't give him much choice.

It's why Kareem never really got a shot at coaching in the NBA like he wanted, despite apparently knowing the game as well as most coaches.

I believe that each player in the terms of the top five to ten, has or had their own talents and set of skills. Each player, however played in a different era which created a separate set of circumstances that affected their game and how they succeeded. Change some of those circumstances and the results could have been different. Bosh never goes down with blood clots and quite possibly, Lebron would have another championship. Kobe gets Chris Paul and Dwight Howard - who knows. Some of the politics and decisions by each player off the court did affect their game on the court, though. Kareem, Michael and Jordan never went around looking and creating their own team. Clearly Michael Jordan was the greatest of all time, but after Michael, my choices are Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul Jabaar, Kobe Bryant and Lebron James - not necessarily in any order - I will point out, however that like the Spurs, the Lakers dominated an entire decade and went to the finals 8 of 10 times. Lebron dominated almost as close, but in the Eastern and weaker conference.

I still believe, however that Lebron has yet to finish his career which will most likely change how he finishes in the terms of greatness.