Game Thread: Chicago Bears @ Seattle Seahawks

[flyerhawk]

Offense is a problem also for sure, we’re just not consistent, we also don’t sustain drives enough…On the flip side the defense just can’t get off the field, I think they’re 30th or 31st defensively in yards given up even though they’re 5th or 6th in points allowed, but these long sustained drives are just brutal, teams just control the game and possession time, and the offense not sustaining drives just adds that much more pressure on the D … It’s a mess, we need change, and I don’t think Pete is gonna get us out of this, he’s getting too old… Love the guy, best coach in Seahawks history, but his decision making lately hasn’t been good…

I think that Pete just doesn't know how to maximize this team. He still wants this to be the 2013 team that was loaded with talent on D.

It's pretty clear that other teams know that they can just pick apart our Cover-3 to move down the field. When the field compresses in the red zone, our defense doesn't have as many gaps and we don't give up many big plays because we are in Cover-3. But ultimately you can't have your defense on the field for 40 minutes a game. It hurts the offense and the defense.

 

[flyerhawk]

I think its on purpose because he gets hit so much. Saw a stat somewhere that Wilson is pressured or hit at the 2.1 second mark,,,,,,and thats from the shotgun. Its no wonder he's bulked up over the years.

I also don't get why we never run plays under center. It could be because of his finger but I think this really limits the options for the offense.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Some team will take him

So true but the hit is too much to move him. After next season the hit is less and easier to move.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

irrelevant, this team is going to be hot garbage next year regardless. we suffer for one year and end up with a top 5 pick and a ton of cap space the next year.

How do you know it'll be hot garbage with a whole new coaching staff? Just because the FO gets a top 5 pick it's still 50/50 if the QB turns out good. If wrong, you'll be wishing Wilson was here.

 

[flyerhawk]

So true but the hit is too much to move him. After next season the hit is less and easier to move.

It just amazes me how fickle fans can be. This guy was considered one of the best 3 QBs in the game last year. He gets hurt this year and all of the sudden fans want to dump him and roll the dice on..... what?

It's possible that Russ will never be as good as he was all the way back in.. September. But this team is WAY WAY better off taking a chance that he does get better than dumping him and buying some lottery tickets.

Pete needs to go. He's too stuck in his ways and unable to do proper evaluations of players. Schneider probably needs to go as well. But we would be absolute fools if we let Russ go now. Bring in a new coach. Bring in some new ideas. See what you can get. If Russ is cooked then another year or two isn't going to change our ultimate fate anyway.

 

[flyerhawk]

How do you know it'll be hot garbage with a whole new coaching staff? Just because the FO gets a top 5 pick it's still 50/50 if the QB turns out good. If wrong, you'll be wishing Wilson was here.

Snuggles always wants to blow everything up.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Post June 1st it would save 24 million in cap space for the Seahawks and for the team trading for him his salary would only be 11 million for 2022 And 11 for 2023. That is the juicy carrot for trade partners. Seahawks need a healthy return for eating the dead money but that is sunk cost, so if they can get the right haul I think they at least consider it.

When does that trade have to be made in order for it to be a post June 1 move?

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

It just amazes me how fickle fans can be. This guy was considered one of the best 3 QBs in the game last year. He gets hurt this year and all of the sudden fans want to dump him and roll the dice on..... what?

It's possible that Russ will never be as good as he was all the way back in.. September. But this team is WAY WAY better off taking a chance that he does get better than dumping him and buying some lottery tickets.

Pete needs to go. He's too stuck in his ways and unable to do proper evaluations of players. Schneider probably needs to go as well. But we would be absolute fools if we let Russ go now. Bring in a new coach. Bring in some new ideas. See what you can get. If Russ is cooked then another year or two isn't going to change our ultimate fate anyway.

What everybody is held up on is the fact Seattle doesn't have a first round pick. So trading Russ gets those picks back but there's no guarantee the next QB selected is the next RW or Rodgers. Get a new staff and scheme and see if Russ becomes his old self or if he's really fallen off the cliff.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Snuggles always wants to blow everything up.

It'll be much worse if Russ is traded and they draft a Sam Darnold type player. Hello multiple losing seasons and coaching carrousel.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

I think that Pete just doesn't know how to maximize this team. He still wants this to be the 2013 team that was loaded with talent on D.

It's pretty clear that other teams know that they can just pick apart our Cover-3 to move down the field. When the field compresses in the red zone, our defense doesn't have as many gaps and we don't give up many big plays because we are in Cover-3. But ultimately you can't have your defense on the field for 40 minutes a game. It hurts the offense and the defense.

True .. our zones are more effective the closer teams get to our goal-line … As far as Pete he just refuses to evolve, we don’t have the LOB anymore, we can’t continue being this predictable on defense, we make every QB look like a future HOF QB’s … it’s maddening, completion, completion, completion, completion, completion, over the middle over the middle over the middle … Norton just sits there looking dumbfounded … I’m also ticked we don’t have a top draft pick this year, could have been really nice, Jets won that trade..

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

What everybody is held up on is the fact Seattle doesn't have a first round pick. So trading Russ gets those picks back but there's no guarantee the next QB selected is the next RW or Rodgers. Get a new staff and scheme and see if Russ becomes his old self or if he's really fallen off the cliff.

Problem with Russ as good as he’s been, I don’t think he’s gonna age well, relies on his legs too much, with his height he’s not Mr pocket passer.. He’ll be 34 next season, so if we don’t make a move now, we’re gonna get nothing in return..

 

[flyerhawk]

What everybody is held up on is the fact Seattle doesn't have a first round pick. So trading Russ gets those picks back but there's no guarantee the next QB selected is the next RW or Rodgers. Get a new staff and scheme and see if Russ becomes his old self or if he's really fallen off the cliff.

The chances that the Seahawks would get a competent QB much less a Pro Bowl QB much less a Hall of Fame level QB with a single draft pick next year are close to nil. Let's take a look at the QBs drafted in the 1st round in the past few years. I'll skip the previous 3 years as it may be too early to tell with those guys...

2019 - Murray, Daniel Jones, Dwayne Haskins
2018 - Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson
2017 - Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson
2016 - Goff, Wentz, Paxton Lynch
2015 - Winston, Mariota
2014 - Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater

20 QBs selected in those drafts. One Hall of Fame talent(Mahomes), 4 Pro Bowl Talents(Watson, Allen, Jackson, Murray), 15 players that vary between pure bust and league average.

IMO, the chances of us getting a top flight coach are dramatically higher with Russ here than some schlub or prayer taken in the draft.

So, yeah, I agree. Bring in a new staff and see what they can do. It's the only shot we have of getting back to a title contender in the next 2-5 years.

 

[flyerhawk]

True .. our zones are more effective the closer teams get to our goal-line … As far as Pete he just refuses to evolve, we don’t have the LOB anymore, we can’t continue being this predictable on defense, we make every QB look like a future HOF QB’s … it’s maddening, completion, completion, completion, completion, completion, over the middle over the middle over the middle … Norton just sits there looking dumbfounded … I’m also ticked we don’t have a top draft pick this year, could have been really nice, Jets won that trade..

I honestly don't blame Norton all that much. Pete runs this defense and his system has always been Cover-3/Man-Zone. And it worked incredible well when you had a corner that shut down one side of the field(Sherman), a FS that could cover the rest of the deep field(Thomas) and a SS that put the fear of god into players running crossers(Kam).

I think the defense has some talent. I've actually been pleasantly surprised by the DL performance this year. It's not elite certainly but Taylor and Robinson are legit impact players and I could see Taylor be a Pro Bowler. But our scheme allows QBs to get rid of the ball way too quickly. And that isn't going to change until Pete moves on.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Problem with Russ as good as he’s been, I don’t think he’s gonna age well, relies on his legs too much, with his height he’s not Mr pocket passer.. He’ll be 34 next season, so if we don’t make a move now, we’re gonna get nothing in return..

People thought Rodgers was slowing down in McCarthy's final year. Change coach and scheme and he's back and looks even better. I don't want to dump Russ without giving him a chance with a young up coming coach with fresh eyes. Just look down the road and see what McVay did for Goff and Goff isn't very good.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

When does that trade have to be made in order for it to be a post June 1 move?

When? After june 1st 2022

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

The chances that the Seahawks would get a competent QB much less a Pro Bowl QB much less a Hall of Fame level QB with a single draft pick next year are close to nil. Let's take a look at the QBs drafted in the 1st round in the past few years. I'll skip the previous 3 years as it may be too early to tell with those guys...

2019 - Murray, Daniel Jones, Dwayne Haskins
2018 - Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson
2017 - Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson
2016 - Goff, Wentz, Paxton Lynch
2015 - Winston, Mariota
2014 - Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater

20 QBs selected in those drafts. One Hall of Fame talent(Mahomes), 4 Pro Bowl Talents(Watson, Allen, Jackson, Murray), 15 players that vary between pure bust and league average.

IMO, the chances of us getting a top flight coach are dramatically higher with Russ here than some schlub or prayer taken in the draft.

So, yeah, I agree. Bring in a new staff and see what they can do. It's the only shot we have of getting back to a title contender in the next 2-5 years.

Indeed. It's a very low percentage to find that next great QB.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

When? After june 1st 2022

Before June 1. Teams cut players early but post it June 1 so I was wondering about trades before June 1 if they can post it for June 1 or not.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

The chances that the Seahawks would get a competent QB much less a Pro Bowl QB much less a Hall of Fame level QB with a single draft pick next year are close to nil. Let's take a look at the QBs drafted in the 1st round in the past few years. I'll skip the previous 3 years as it may be too early to tell with those guys...

2019 - Murray, Daniel Jones, Dwayne Haskins
2018 - Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson
2017 - Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson
2016 - Goff, Wentz, Paxton Lynch
2015 - Winston, Mariota
2014 - Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater

20 QBs selected in those drafts. One Hall of Fame talent(Mahomes), 4 Pro Bowl Talents(Watson, Allen, Jackson, Murray), 15 players that vary between pure bust and league average.

IMO, the chances of us getting a top flight coach are dramatically higher with Russ here than some schlub or prayer taken in the draft.

So, yeah, I agree. Bring in a new staff and see what they can do. It's the only shot we have of getting back to a title contender in the next 2-5 years.

Yes many duds and few actually superior QBs. However father time never loses. Folks see Brady playing at 44 and now think it's normal for QBs to play until 40 and it's not. Brees played until 37, Eli Manning until 35, Carson Palmer until 37, and so on. Also how did their play in their latter years compare to their prime?
I guess it comes down to how realistic is the hope of being able to turn this around next year or the year after ? Because then RW will be 36 in 2024. I certainly think they can improve over this season, but to be a contender seems like a stretch. Also improving over this year record but not being serious contender means your draft position is lower and what the team needs is early draft picks.
Firing Carroll and hiring a new staff may appeal to RW at least initially, but it going to take winning to keep him happy. Who do you see as a top flight coach? Like rookie QBs, rookie coaches have a lot of duds. You look at the coaches who have been in the SuperBowls and you usually see quality experienced head coaches. Andy Reid, Belichick, Arians and not some rookie head coach.......

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Before June 1. Teams cut players early but post it June 1 so I was wondering about trades before June 1 if they can post it for June 1 or not.

It has been done I believe but usual very near the date and likely needs the league blessing, but not really sure.

 

[flyerhawk]

Yes many duds and few actually superior QBs. However father time never loses. Folks see Brady playing at 44 and now think it's normal for QBs to play until 40 and it's not. Brees played until 37, Eli Manning until 35, Carson Palmer until 37, and so on. Also how did their play in their latter years compare to their prime?

A few clarifications here. Drew Brees played until he was 41. Eli was 38. Roehtlisberger is 40 and still playing. Phillip Rivers was 39. Aaron Rodgers is 38 and won an MVP at age 37. Russell Wilson just turned 33. Peyton won an MVP at 37.

I guess it comes down to how realistic is the hope of being able to turn this around next year or the year after ? Because then RW will be 36 in 2024. I certainly think they can improve over this season, but to be a contender seems like a stretch. Also improving over this year record but not being serious contender means your draft position is lower and what the team needs is early draft picks.

You need 2 things to be good in the NFL. A great QB and a great coach. Bellicheck overhauled his entire team and is now fighting for a 1 seed with a rookie QB.

Firing Carroll and hiring a new staff may appeal to RW at least initially, but it going to take winning to keep him happy. Who do you see as a top flight coach? Like rookie QBs, rookie coaches have a lot of duds. You look at the coaches who have been in the SuperBowls and you usually see quality experienced head coaches. Andy Reid, Belichick, Arians and not some rookie head coach.......

I haven't even thought about what coach we should bring in. First step is showing Pete the door.

I don't know how old folks are here. But I remember the 90s and how miserable it was to be a Seahawk fan. I have no desire to go back to that.