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[TREFF]

take out week 17, since most fantasy leagues are finished at wk16

PPR: Evans 16.1 (WR12 overall) / Godwin 14.6
half PPR: Evans 13.8 (WR9 overall) / Godwin 11.9
Std: Evans 11.6 (WR7 overall) / Godwin 9.2

and he does stuff like this to show he wants to keep winning

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I don't think subscribing to eliminating selective weeks is worthy of painting an accurate picture of what a guy did or didn't do on the field. Can we also eliminate the two games played where he missed roughly half the snaps? If "most" Evans owners weren't in the finals week 16, can we say his 40+ points that week shouldn't count? Start going down a slippery slope of manipulating data to achieve a desired outcome at that point.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

I don't think subscribing to eliminating selective weeks is worthy of painting an accurate picture of what a guy did or didn't do on the field. Can we also eliminate the two games played where he missed roughly half the snaps? If "most" Evans owners weren't in the finals week 16, can we say his 40+ points that week shouldn't count? Start going down a slippery slope of manipulating data to achieve a desired outcome at that point.

wk1-wk16 every year, no changing which weeks are included/excluded, just exclude week 17 every year to align with the vast majority of fantasy leagues. not manipulating data or being selective, just analyzing the pts according to the available scoring periods of the contest.

 

[TREFF]

wk1-wk16 every year, no changing which weeks are included/excluded, just exclude week 17 every year to align with the vast majority of fantasy leagues. not manipulating data or being selective, just analyzing the pts according to the available scoring periods of the contest.

But it's excluding 16 games, all of which count in the standings, the stat sheets, records, future projections, the players get paid for it, the numbers achieved count towards their performance bonuses, the official points scored by any relevant fantasy source include them...but here, it fits your narrative, so your going with it. It's pretty shady math that only applies IF your particular league doesn't use week 17...plenty of leagues do use week 17, or a combination of 16 & 17...and it definitely happened, and was officially recorded.

BTW, did you exclude Brady's week 17 in the above meme praising his stats?

I can get behind something like that in an depth discussion..such as Ronnie Jones' week 10..such an odd outlier that only came about because of one 98 yard play. That week's tally isn't indicative in any way of his play all year long, and if discussing Jones' performance in 2020 or prospects going forward, I would get why someone wouldn't lend credence to the numbers accrued that game. But Godwin week 17 wasn't fluky, it's not a huge outlier in the season or his career, not anymore so than Evans week 16..I just don't get why the need to make the point is so important that "dirty pool" is the chosen tactic.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

But it's excluding 16 games, all of which count in the standings, the stat sheets, records, future projections, the players get paid for it, the numbers achieved count towards their performance bonuses, the official points scored by any relevant fantasy source include them...but here, it fits your narrative, so your going with it. It's pretty shady math that only applies IF your particular league doesn't use week 17...plenty of leagues do use week 17, or a combination of 16 & 17...and it definitely happened, and was officially recorded.

BTW, did you exclude Brady's week 17 in the above meme praising his stats?

I can get behind something like that in an depth discussion..such as Ronnie Jones' week 10..such an odd outlier that only came about because of one 98 yard play. That week's tally isn't indicative in any way of his play all year long, and if discussing Jones' performance in 2020 or prospects going forward, I would get why someone wouldn't lend credence to the numbers accrued that game. But Godwin week 17 wasn't fluky, it's not a huge outlier in the season or his career, not anymore so than Evans week 16..I just don't get why the need to make the point is so important that "dirty pool" is the chosen tactic.

I think you're trying to make something out of nothing here - using wk1-wk16 isn't cherry picking stats. Sure, there are leagues that use wk17, but those are by far the exception.

Brady had a great year with great weapons, you can pick at them as say they aren't elite or aren't this/that, but bottom line, they were good and produced fantasy pts this year.

Didn't intend to get you worked up, I choose to like Brady/Evans as a fantasy combo, you can choose not to.

 

[TKOSpikes]

Mike Evans did post career low, or near career low numbers across the board, except TD's, and was far from the "elite" Mike Evans he was

he was pretty much a one-legged player for the first half of the season.

but he was still a beast this year...thanks to touchdowns...the best part of beasts.

 

[TREFF]

Anyways-

Marriott to the Pat's??? That'd be interesting, and it'd be the second time in recent history the Raiders effed up trading a guy to NE.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

Anyways-

Marriott to the Pat's??? That'd be interesting, and it'd be the second time in recent history the Raiders effed up trading a guy to NE.

Would be very interesting, he looked rejuvenated in his limited action this year in Gruden's system. Also, after having Cam, the Pats are familiar with a QB that isn't a great thrower (jk)

Not sure who they'll have at QB, but the Patriots will compete for the division title next year. They are getting all their Covid guys back on defense, will have some decent rookies coming in (pick 15 overall right now), and probably an easier schedule as well after finishing 3rd in the division.

 

[TREFF]

Would be very interesting, he looked rejuvenated in his limited action this year in Gruden's system. Also, after having Cam, the Pats are familiar with a QB that isn't a great thrower (jk)

Not sure who they'll have at QB, but the Patriots will compete for the division title next year. They are getting all their Covid guys back on defense, will have some decent rookies coming in (pick 15 overall right now), and probably an easier schedule as well after finishing 3rd in the division.

Ha, no he isn't a great thrower, and trying not to read much into his spot duty this past season..but...he did look damned good, for that one game. Good enough that I was hoping he'd get one more shot and let Carr take another week off.
I think in the right system, which wouldnt ask too much of him, he could be decent enough. But he needs a strong support cast, something a little lacking in NE these days

 

[HaroldSeattle]

But he needs a strong support cast, something a little lacking in NE these days

Yeah but he has the right kind of coaching there to help and since the Pats have some cap space it is likely they will add some weapons.

 

[TREFF]

Yeah but he has the right kind of coaching there to help and since the Pats have some cap space it is likely they will add some weapons.

McDaniels could likely scheme some pretty effective scripts. I agree they'll add something, just hope it's WR's, I think Harris can be awfully effective if the defense ever has to bother defending a pass again.

 

[Trudem]

Texans just released JJ Watt. I bet he goes to play with his brother in Pitt

 

[TREFF]

Texans just released JJ Watt. I bet he goes to play with his brother in Pitt

I have to imagine there was a trade a possibility the Texans could've pursued. This can't possibly bode well for Watson staying around, or maybe even sitting out if they refuse the trade request

 

[SteelersPride]

Texans just released JJ Watt. I bet he goes to play with his brother in Pitt

Lets hope cheap wed have all. 3

 

[Trudem]

I have to imagine there was a trade a possibility the Texans could've pursued. This can't possibly bode well for Watson staying around, or maybe even sitting out if they refuse the trade request

no one wanted that massive cap hit. He will stil command solid money. He was still very good on an awful defense last year.

 

[TREFF]

no one wanted that massive cap hit. He will stil command solid money. He was still very good on an awful defense last year.

There's always ways around the cap hit

 

[TREFF]

Lets hope cheap wed have all. 3

Steelers gonna be able to afford any FA's, even if Big Ben plays for free?

 

[Trudem]

There's always ways around the cap hit

I would give him a deal that included 31 million guaranteed

21- 6 mill cap hit
22- 15 mill cap hit
23- void and dead hit split between 23 and 24

Packers would never do it but I would. I am all for going all in.

 

[SteelersPride]

Steelers gonna be able to afford any FA's, even if Big Ben plays for free?

nope lol

 

[SteelersPride]

@TREFF pounceys done, and likely 3/5 of his o line. I think hes done.

 

[Trudem]

@TREFF pounceys done, and likely 3/5 of his o line. I think hes done.

If so, Pitt better get involved soon. The QB musical chairs this offseason is going to be fun to watch unfold.