If the Giants (0-4) get the #1 pick...

[Shanemansj13]

Giants wont take a QB. They already have a franchise QB.
they need help elsewhere

If Daniel Jones is a franchise QB...than Gettleman is the best GM in the NFL and we all know that is crazy

 

[Caliskinsfan]

He's a turnover machine but the Giants are an impatient franchise. Gettleman could be gone and so will Jones

Gettleman maybe but DJ truly has issues with inferior Oline play at the moment. Add the injuries and the loss of Saquon... Gnats have legit reasons to remain patient with their rookie QB imo

 

[flyerhawk]

That's what I'm thinking too. Gettleman and Jones are on a short leash

I think Gettleman is a dead man walking. Although I think Judge will wind up sticking around.

Jones seems like he really needs some coaching especially when it comes to ball discipline.

 

[flyerhawk]

Gettleman maybe but DJ truly has issues with inferior Oline play at the moment. Add the injuries and the loss of Saquon... Gnats have legit reasons to remain patient with their rookie QB imo

Unless they wind up with the No. 1 overall pick, I would be surprised if they move on from Danny Dimes. He's popular here and shows flashed of potential. He's athletic and has a strong arm.

His biggest problem is turnovers. That is a coachable problem though.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Unless they wind up with the No. 1 overall pick

That’d be interesting for sure. Hard to turn down a prospect like Lawrence. That said, I don’t believe Gnats are as bad as their record and I don’t believe they’ll end up with the #1 pick. Time will tell the story.

Btw, How did a Seahawks fan end up in Hoboken?

 

[Shanemansj13]

Gettleman maybe but DJ truly has issues with inferior Oline play at the moment. Add the injuries and the loss of Saquon... Gnats have legit reasons to remain patient with their rookie QB imo

It more than that, plus that has nothing to do with protecting the ball in the pocket. There is no reason to have that many fumbles. There are a lot more issues with Jones.

When he got drafted I said the only thing special about him is his short accuracy...so far this year his deep ball completion has actually been really good. Unfortunately, that's really the only thing he is doing well. He was #2 on danger plays or risk plays last year, #6 this year...basically throwing unnecessary throws into coverage.

He was #24 in the NFL when he had a clean pocket. He is awful in the RZ despite having the 4th most attempts in the RZ in the NFL. Yes, he does have a shitty OL but if you look at their unit it shouldn't be towards the bottom of the NFL. They have Thomas, the rookie, Hernandez and Zeitler. I think Jones' pocket presence is very bad. He is too slow with his decision-making, making reads and often just runs into sacks or holds the ball too long.

Do I think these issues can be fixed? Yeah possibly but it's kinda like Washington. How long are they going to wait especially if they have a top 3 pick and one of the best QB prospects of all-time at the top of the board. I think he can develop but if Gettleman gets fired...that new GM could want his guy.

 

[Shanemansj13]

That’d be interesting for sure. Hard to turn down a prospect like Lawrence. That said, I don’t believe Gnats are as bad as their record and I don’t believe they’ll end up with the #1 pick. Time will tell the story.

Btw, How did a Seahawks fan end up in Hoboken?

Their defense seems to be pretty solid but it seems like the offense revolves more around Barkley than Jones and Barkley seems to be on his way to an injury-riddled career. I hope he can get back into form bc he is an exciting player to watch.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

It more than that, plus that has nothing to do with protecting the ball in the pocket. There is no reason to have that many fumbles. There are a lot more issues with Jones.

When he got drafted I said the only thing special about him is his short accuracy...so far this year his deep ball completion has actually been really good. Unfortunately, that's really the only thing he is doing well. He was #2 on danger plays or risk plays last year, #6 this year...basically throwing unnecessary throws into coverage.

He was #24 in the NFL when he had a clean pocket. He is awful in the RZ despite having the 4th most attempts in the RZ in the NFL. Yes, he does have a shitty OL but if you look at their unit it shouldn't be towards the bottom of the NFL. They have Thomas, the rookie, Hernandez and Zeitler. I think Jones' pocket presence is very bad. He is too slow with his decision-making, making reads and often just runs into sacks or holds the ball too long.

Do I think these issues can be fixed? Yeah possibly but it's kinda like Washington. How long are they going to wait especially if they have a top 3 pick and one of the best QB prospects of all-time at the top of the board. I think he can develop but if Gettleman gets fired...that new GM could want his guy.

Some excellent points here. Decision making and ball security are things that can taught imo. Of course there is always a cut off point in terms of what is best for the team.

If Gettleman gets fired and they have a top 3 pick, then I agree, all bets are off the table with DJ.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Some excellent points here. Decision making and ball security are things that can taught imo. Of course there is always a cut off point in terms of what is best for the team.

I’m Gettleman gets fired and they have a top 3 pick, then I agree, all bets are off the table with DJ.

Yeah I mean I don't think it's that Jones is terrible, it's more about Lawrence just being that much better. The goal is to improve the team...I think you significantly upgrade with Lawrence...then maybe Jones eventually improves with another team.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Their defense seems to be pretty solid but it seems like the offense revolves more around Barkley than Jones and Barkley seems to be on his way to an injury-riddled career. I hope he can get back into form bc he is an exciting player to watch.

That’s where they need to add to their talent pool. Can’t just have a stud RB, and nothing else. Take a look at the Rams and what they do with a crew of RBs. That’s because of excellent line play. Now you’re stat about DJ in the RZ was interesting to me. Inefficiency there can be many reasons more then what the stats suggest. I haven’t been paying much attention to the Gnats games so I don’t know what it looks like on the actual field, so can’t comment intelligently about this.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Yeah I mean I don't think it's that Jones is terrible, it's more about Lawrence just being that much better. The goal is to improve the team...I think you significantly upgrade with Lawrence...then maybe Jones eventually improves with another team.

Or sits on the bench and learns. Win win

 

[Shanemansj13]

That’s where they need to add to their talent pool. Can’t just have a stud RB, and nothing else. Take a look at the Rams and what they do with a crew of RBs. That’s because of excellent line play. Now you’re stat about DJ in the RZ was interesting to me. Inefficiency there can be many reasons more then what the stats suggest. I haven’t been paying much attention to the Gnats games so I don’t know what it looks like on the actual field, so can’t comment intelligently about this.

Yeah I just don't get how their OL is not solid. Wonder if Andrew Thomas isn't playing well. But like you, I haven't watched the Giants play so would have to ask a Giants fan. I have just watched some film on Jones and while OL play hasn't been strong, he often puts himself into danger. This might have to do with the playcalling too...if you have a bad OL, draw up plays for short routes and quick timing routes when he can the ball out quick. I saw it firsthand with Baker last year under Fat Freddie.

 

[Golden Spur]

Mm, last year he was 61.1%, 24 TD's to 12 INT's, 6.6 YPA, 87.7 not terrible for a rookie.

This year bad, 6.0 YPA, 2 TD's, 5 INT's. 14 sacks, 2 fumbles.

Looking at their run game, though:
vs PIT: 29 yards, 22 by Jones
vs CHI: 75/21
vs SF: 66/49
vs LAR: 136/45
They were competitive against CHI and LAR. Golden Tate has 14 receptions for 103 yards. Gettleman moved OBJ, Barkley out for the year. DJ is not getting enough help.

That being said, I'd draft Lawrence for sure, gotta take that chance. Gettleman may try to outsmart himself again, though.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Mm, last year he was 61.1%, 24 TD's to 12 INT's, 6.6 YPA, 87.7 not terrible for a rookie.

This year bad, 6.0 YPA, 2 TD's, 5 INT's. 14 sacks, 2 fumbles.

Looking at their run game, though:
vs PIT: 29 yards, 22 by Jones
vs CHI: 75/21
vs SF: 66/49
vs LAR: 136/45
They were competitive against CHI and LAR. Golden Tate has 14 receptions for 103 yards. Gettleman moved OBJ, Barkley out for the year. DJ is not getting enough help.

That being said, I'd draft Lawrence for sure, gotta take that chance. Gettleman may try to outsmart himself again, though.

Playing those defenses certainly doesn't help a young guy. Maybe we should see what the kid does vs. shitty Ds. But yeah, you can't pass on Lawrence.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Playing those defenses certainly doesn't help a young guy. Maybe we should see what the kid does vs. shitty Ds. But yeah, you can't pass on Lawrence.

We can all watch this week lol

 

[megalodon30]

We can all watch this week lol

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My cousin is getting married on Sunday, so looks like I’ll miss this crapfest.

 

[Robotech]

He's a turnover machine but the Giants are an impatient franchise. Gettleman could be gone and so will Jones

Yeah, I was just kidding. If there's a guy available like Lawrence, then you pick him. It would just suck to get nothing out of spending the 6th overall pick on Jones. I wonder what they could get in a trade.

 

[10HtownRebs]

Danny Dimes got this... The ownership parted the seas for this stallion... Stopped a 13 yr consecutive starting game streak and ran a future hall of famer out of town...

Dimes deserves at least 10 years in NY....

So I don't have to hear about them this decade again...

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

The Giants will probably clean house and the new GM will take TL

 

[Clayton]

If Jones is worth keeping then he'll win a couple of games in the NFC East and keep his job by winning too many games.