Lebrons Cavs vs Jordan’s Bulls

[dtgold88]

It's not just about height. Iverson was an absolute pitbull who got pummelled night in/night out.

Steph Curry is a great player. But he's built for the modern NBA. Put him the 1991 NBA and he would get beat the hell up and given his injury history, the chances of injury would be significant.

was BJ Armstrong a pitbull too? He survived the 90s. Curry gets beat up anyway going around picks.

If he was not the star then that he is now it would be because they were not smart enough to use spacing and his shooting ability. Not because of his build.

 

[dtgold88]

I did say that I didn’t think LeBron was committed to it.

Certainly discussed as a possibility. But I can remember Windhorst saying that LeBron had not actually made up his mind for sure until within a day or two of when he announced the decision.

Might be wrong about that.

would not be surprised at all if Windhorst reported this.....and might be true. But my guess is they knew for a while.

 

[dtgold88]

Uh, no it wasn't. I said that it was something that Lebron likely considered, but it wasn't one of his main reasons. Just that he is too smart not to have had that occur to him.

He was the one who said it was Lebron's main reason.

I mean, if you want to call me not even knowing he had said that until @tlance pointed it out as "pretty much just you and him in that discussion"...

I don't really know what to do to help you.

You've discussed it with him more than I have.

No need to try and help me. You said no one made the comment. I found someone who did. wasn't even that hard.

 

[dtgold88]

You're right that Windhorst said that.

But that bit about "he didn't know until just before he announced it" is bs that they came up with to try to make the suicidal Cavs fans feel better, imo.

agree he knew but don't think he said this to help out the cavs fans. was because to promote the show whenever asked before the announcement he said he didn't know. No reason to say he knew all along.

 

[dtgold88]

Curry is bigger and likely stronger than Iverson, and he actually deals with a lot of physical play in today's NBA. And he hasn't really had injury problems for a while until this freak hand injury.

Yeah...I really don't get that absurd narrative. I mean, OK, if they want to say Iverson's a different cat I don't believe it, but how did a guy like BJ Armstrong survive? what about a closer comparison to Curry in Mark Price? and, no, I am not saying Price was even close to MVP worthy. But shooting was his game.

 

[dtgold88]

Too bad they couldn't morph his defense and Dieblers shooting

Missed the player that led to this discussion. Aaron Craft?

 

[dtgold88]

Curry is taller than Iverson. I doubt he was stronger. And he certainly wasn't tougher or more durable.

I'm not bad mouth Curry in any way. But to pretend that he could just adjust to the most physical era in modern NBA history without a problem is just silly.

How did Mark Price make it? are you just messing with us?

 

[trojanfan12]

agree he knew but don't think he said this to help out the cavs fans. was because to promote the show whenever asked before the announcement he said he didn't know. No reason to say he knew all along.

Yeah, forgot about him being asked ahead of time. Obviously, he's going to say that he didn't know yet.

But I don't think he expected the reaction that he got from Cavs fans. I'm sure he figured they wouldn't be happy, but I don't think he expected it to be as bad as it was.

When he saw that, he had to stick to that story whether he wanted to or not. Although, to be fair, I'm not sure how much stronger the reaction could have gotten.

 

[dtgold88]

I'm assuming that if you take any player and just throw him into a different era, there would be a huge adjustment.

Would Curry adjust? Almost certainly but if he were just transported to 1992 he would be just shocked at how defenders could basically knock him down and not get called.

And don't get me started on what would happen to Draymond Green as a Center in 1992.

My point here isn't that any of these players are better or worse. My point is that the game was very different back then.

right...steph never gets hit. This was easy to find. My point is thinking steph could not play in the 90s and play well is absurd.

 

[dtgold88]

I do think Curry would have adjusted if given the leash to become the great player he is. Probably wouldn’t have been an MVP, but still could have been a great player in the 90s if used correctly.

There is also a distinct possibility that he would not have ever made it to the NBA coming up specifically in the 90s era. He may not have been developed the way that he was and he may have simply been viewed as a shooter too small to play the 2. And lots of old school coaches from back then wouldn’t let Curry take some of the shots he does regardless of his efficiency.

A lot off things had to click perfectly between high school and college for Curry to make the NBA. Remember, he was a very lightly recruited diminutive guard who almost went to VA Tech as a walk-on. One thing I would bet on is that he would not have had the same opportunity/investment from coaching staff to develop at Tech that he was afforded at Davidson. And there is a very real possibility he wouldn’t have ever risen to the level where he was a legit NBA prospect had he gone that route.

How I see it. IF he didn't make it in the 90s it would be because a coach didn't know how to use him right. Not because he couldn't handle getting hit.

 

[dtgold88]

He may have been holding out hope that the Cavs would pull off some big trade or land an FA who had something more than name recognition left.

But I think the decision was essentially made before the end of game 6 in the Eastern Conference Semi's.

They set the wheels in motion to team up when they were on the Olympic team. Plus, Wade was starting to get older, if there was a time they were going to do it, that was it.

I'm not saying it wasn't a difficult decision, I'm sure it was. Especially since he hadn't won a title there yet.

But it was gonna take something like Gilbert somehow pulling a contending roster out of his ass to stop him going to the Heat.

Here's an interesting question. Suppose he had won a title in Cleveland during his first stint there...

Does he ever return to Cleveland? Or, does he never leave in the first place?

If by contending you mean better than the Heat I agree that is what Gilbert needed to do. and that was not possible. I mean, he was on a contending team already.

That's a very good question and my answer is no. On the flip side, would he have left again if they did not win in 2016? I think he picks up his option and reassess after the 2018-19 season. I don't think he'd have stayed forever despite what he said in the article when he came back. Eventually he'd have left if he didn't see a title here.

 

[dtgold88]

I didn't understand why his defense alone didn't get him in the league. Like Delly

Believe he won DPOY in.the NBDL

Caught up and saw it was, in fact, Craft. Had a feeling. I think Delly might have been considered a better shooter than Craft maybe? Also think Delly might be 2-3 inches taller.

 

[dtgold88]

Mark Price is a pretty good comparison. Curry would be fine...like others have said he might not be a MVP or as great but he would still be a damn good player. Like I have always said, players play to the rules. If Lebron was playing in the 80's...he would be a bruiser

Beat me to the Price comparison. Too bad we never saw him in today's NBA where he would take 8-10 3s per game (or more).

 

[dtgold88]

Yeah, forgot about him being asked ahead of time. Obviously, he's going to say that he didn't know yet.

But I don't think he expected the reaction that he got from Cavs fans. I'm sure he figured they wouldn't be happy, but I don't think he expected it to be as bad as it was.

When he saw that, he had to stick to that story whether he wanted to or not. Although, to be fair, I'm not sure how much stronger the reaction could have gotten.

Pretty sure he knew it would be bad. He saw Albert Belle leave. and obviously he meant a lot more than AB.

 

[trojanfan12]

If by contending you mean better than the Heat I agree that is what Gilbert needed to do. and that was not possible. I mean, he was on a contending team already.

They were contenders as far as getting out of the East, but during those years, it was pretty much the Spurs or Lakers coming out of the West. I don't think the Cavs were beating either of them.

 

[dtgold88]

They were contenders as far as getting out of the East, but during those years, it was pretty much the Spurs or Lakers coming out of the West. I don't think the Cavs were beating either of them.

wouldn't be so sure. If Lakers were favored I don't think they'd have been heavy favorites the years cavs won 66 and 61. But certainly they were not as talented as Miami was going to be.

 

[trojanfan12]

wouldn't be so sure. If Lakers were favored I don't think they'd have been heavy favorites the years cavs won 66 and 61. But certainly they were not as talented as Miami was going to be.

Can't really use records as a gauge, imo. Schedules aren't balanced and East didn't have a whole lot outside of the Celtics.

The year the Cavs won 66 games, the Lakers won 65.

To be fair, that was also the best year of the Kobe/Pau Lakers too.

 

[dtgold88]

Can't really use records as a gauge, imo. Schedules aren't balanced and East didn't have a whole lot outside of the Celtics.

The year the Cavs won 66 games, the Lakers won 65.

To be fair, that was also the best year of the Kobe/Pau Lakers too.

while I do think his 2.0 teams were better, I would never write off a Lebron led team. Wish we would have seen a Kobe/Lebron Finals.

 

[trojanfan12]

while I do think his 2.0 teams were better, I would never write off a Lebron led team. Wish we would have seen a Kobe/Lebron Finals.

Yeah, that Lebron dude is a pretty solid ballplayer. lol

2008-09 would have been the perfect time to have it too. Kobe was 30 and just starting the last couple of seasons of his prime and Lebron was 24 and just entering his.

I think the Lakers take it because Kobe was more experienced and had more help than Lebron.

Plus, the coaching match up was Phil against Mike Brown.

But win or lose, Lebron would have wanted to show out against Kobe, so you know he'd have had a monster series.

Now, had the Lakers been able to get out of the West when Lebron was in Miami...I don't think the Lakers win any of those years.

 

[Robotech]

Beat me to the Price comparison. Too bad we never saw him in today's NBA where he would take 8-10 3s per game (or more).

Price is so underappreciated. He really was one of the best point guards, but no one talks about him.