R.I.P. Jeremy Lamb's Pacers Career

[buckalis]

Your first sentence is wrong and has nothing to do with whether or not tanking works. First of all, the point is that tanking, done correctly works. It's already been proven. Second, as usual, you missed the point being made re: the Bucks. The point was...how much difference 1 player makes in basketball. Without Giannis, the Bucks are likely a 4 seed at best. With him, they are contenders. Just adding that one special player made a huge difference.

Getting that special player is why teams tank.

Again... exactly my point! Others were tanking, the Bucks who were not, got Giannis at no 15 and traded for a 2nd round pick on Middleton...

Who won out of the completely different policy? ...I guess the results speak for themselves!

 

[buckalis]

Rumor is the Warriors are already looking to buy Dragan Bender out of his 10 day contract because he's making them too competitive. Source is the same Ric Bucher uses routinely.

I've already told you that the Warriors will release Bender again... They go over the tax if they sign him on a regular and there is no chance in a million of this happening for this, or the next season!

 

[msgkings322]

I've already told you that the Warriors will release Bender again... They go over the tax if they sign him on a regular and there is no chance in a million of this happening for this, or the next season!

Wrong, again. They are over the tax next year. 100% guaranteed.

 

[CitySushi]

I've already told you that the Warriors will release Bender again... They go over the tax if they sign him on a regular and there is no chance in a million of this happening for this, or the next season!

It was a joke....

 

[buckalis]

Wrong, again. They are over the tax next year. 100% guaranteed.

Remind me to ...remind you insisting!

 

[tducey]

To bad to see this for Lamb, a player I've always liked.

 

[GNG]

Yeah, but that's because Olandipo isn't yet to his previous standards and then he has to re-adapt himself on a highly altered roster that plays different...

I'm sure they'll be much better for the playoffs...

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

 

[msgkings322]

Remind me to ...remind you insisting!

I don't care what you do. The Warriors are 100% absolutely in the tax next year.

 

[buckalis]

I don't care what you do. The Warriors are 100% absolutely in the tax next year.

just remind me to ...remind you insisting!

 

[HurricaneDij39]

That wouldn't be too bad.

The thing is, no matter how many different ways they try to set up the draft to discourage tanking...teams still tank. So the tweaks to the system aren't working anyway.

It's still better to tank and take your chances in the lottery than to get yourself stuck in NBA purgatory where you're never good enough to contend for a title, but never bad enough to be able to draft a true difference maker.

Top FA's typically don't want to stay in smaller markets. I know Reggie Miller stayed in Indy for his entire career. But how many Reggie Millers are there?

That leaves the draft for smaller market teams to try to put together a contender and hope they can be good enough to keep their best players from leaving after their first big contract or even after their rookie deal is up.

As for tanking, I'm not really a fan, but I think if it's done right, it can be a good thing, especially for smaller market teams.

The system is fine the way it is. No excuses from me at least.

 

[msgkings322]

just remind me to ...remind you insisting!

100% lock

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

You seem to confuse tanking with losing although you try to win...

Definition of tanking is "losing in purpose"... not throwing rookies into "fire" so that you can accelerate their progress... The rookies still try to win, but just can't (yet).

When you trade away or buy out all the talent on the team — you ARE attempting to lose on purpose.

Using your logic — any team putting 5 guys on the floor to play in the game isn’t tanking because they are putting a team who could win.

 

[trojanfan12]

Again... exactly my point! Others were tanking, the Bucks who were not,

Again, that's not the point. It doesn't matter whether the Bucks were tanking or not. The point is the difference 1 special player can make in basketball.

Not sure why you're having so much trouble grasping that.

 

[trojanfan12]

The system is fine the way it is. No excuses from me at least.

Something we agree on. There may be hope for mankind after all.

 

[Myles]

The system is fine the way it is. No excuses from me at least.

I think all playoff teams should also have a chance to get a top 5 pick. Smaller of course, but a chance. For a team to make the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed with no chance to win it all and they get punished by the league for it is crazy.

 

[buckalis]

Again, that's not the point. It doesn't matter whether the Bucks were tanking or not. The point is the difference 1 special player can make in basketball.

Not sure why you're having so much trouble grasping that.

Just proving you wrong in your insist that "tanking is the best choice"... it isn't!

 

[Myles]

Just proving you wrong in your insist that "tanking is the best choice"... it isn't!

Not the best, but one of the choices.

 

[CitySushi]

Just proving you wrong in your insist that "tanking is the best choice"... it isn't!

Tanking sucks

-Spurs

 

[trojanfan12]

Just proving you wrong in your insist that "tanking is the best choice"... it isn't!

Except that you didn't. Tanking is not only sometimes the best choice for a small market team, it's sometimes the only choice.

The Cavs made 4 straight finals appearances and won a title because they tanked.

I don't know if the Warriors tanked intentionally because they were God-awful for a long time...but they eventually turned those high draft picks into a dynasty. Now they're tanking again and looking at possibly adding a player who could extend their run.

The Sixers are contenders because they tanked. In fact, they actually made it more acceptable than it has ever been by naming it "The Process".

Heck, they'd deny it with their dying breath, but the the Lakers tanked a bit too.

 

[logic]

Yeah, but what the Pistons are doing is not tanking with the exact meaning of the word... They are not losing in purpose, but have decided to promote their youth instead and accelerate things...

They wouldn't trade Drummond either, if he didn't ask out...

Ben did Drummond ask out? Everything I saw said he wanted to stay and was surprised by the trade. And if you want out you don't want out to Cleveland.

and the Pistons are doing the very definition of tanking. They traded or cut everyone they could that was making money to set up for a rebuild. By ridding yourself of all NBA -level talent you are trying to lose as an organization. I disagree with your definition of tanking. It's not throwing game s, which the players could do; tanking is more at the whole organization level, not the individual player level.