How to Fix College Football

[HuskerOC]

And like always.

All your shit is based on 'ifs'. Not real life and shit that actually happens.

 

[Twiztidbuck]

No good solution to this issue. Everyone wants their opinion to be the correct one, including myself. Both sides of this topic have good points and makes for enjoyable reading. An opinion is just that, an opinion and not fact. My opinion, which I already no will be deemed wrong is as follows,

1. How can a team be deemed the National Champion if they can't win there own conference, let alone the division they play in. Win your damn division and conference and you are in. No greater motivation than this.
2. Conference championship games are or atleast should be the defacto first round of an expanded playoff.
3. Yes, all conference's are not created equal, but that should not mean that if you play in the G5, the conference winner should not get a chance to prove themselves against other conference champs. If the P5 is so much tougher than the G5, why do teams consistently make it out with 0-1 loss in conference play. Not enough data on the out of conference play to determine conference strength.
4. Too any people base their opinion off of how good the team is by the name on the jersey/school vs. the on field results. Make excuses for losses and why the team they support should get a second chance i.e. backdoor into the playoffs without a conference championship.
5. All games matter, according to the people who don't want expansion and automatic bids, but yet 2 teams playing today can lose and still get into the playoffs.
6. Teams might sit players if they are already guaranteed to play in conference championship. They do this already when they have huge leads on teams. I find it hard to believe that Nick Saban and other great coaches would take a chance on a loss. There competitive nature and ego's would keep it to a min. Scheduling tweaks could also make this difficult for teams to do. Back end of schedules loaded with the stiffer competition.
7. The 10-3 conference champs don't deserve a chance argument. Just maybe there schedule was more challenging than your teams. They overcame the losses and won their conference. It would be more of a rarity this happens than the norm. So what if it does happen though.
8. Too many games for the athletes arguement. High school teams in Ohio end up playing 15 games in order to be state champions. Somehow 1-2 more games for College aged young men is too much?
9. In the end, it all will works itself out. The team that wins the conference champ playoff model would have proven itself on the field.
   
10. No matter what direction college football goes in the future, I am still going to watch and support my school.

 

[dtgold88]

The 'best' team doesn't always win. This is a fact. Really applies to any sport.

Our current system doesn't pretend to care about only one particular game or only look at head to head. I get that is a problem for some of you. Their goal is to try and look past win/loss to pick their worthy teams. It's never going to please everyone.

Only problem is they make it up as they go. Sometimes they look at won-loss, sometimes they don't. CCG winners? Maybe, maybe not.

 

[dtgold88]

And like always.

All your shit is based on 'ifs'. Not real life and shit that actually happens.

If you are talking to me I am refuting your notion we have de facto playoff games this weekend as you claim. Might the winners advance? Yep, but so might the losers and the winners might not advance.

we can take what has happened if you'd prefer. Did all the winners advance last year in the CCGs?

 

[dtgold88]

No good solution to this issue. Everyone wants their opinion to be the correct one, including myself. Both sides of this topic have good points and makes for enjoyable reading. An opinion is just that, an opinion and not fact. My opinion, which I already no will be deemed wrong is as follows,

1. How can a team be deemed the National Champion if they can't win there own conference, let alone the division they play in. Win your damn division and conference and you are in. No greater motivation than this.
2. Conference championship games are or atleast should be the defacto first round of an expanded playoff.
3. Yes, all conference's are not created equal, but that should not mean that if you play in the G5, the conference winner should not get a chance to prove themselves against other conference champs. If the P5 is so much tougher than the G5, why do teams consistently make it out with 0-1 loss in conference play. Not enough data on the out of conference play to determine conference strength.
4. Too any people base their opinion off of how good the team is by the name on the jersey/school vs. the on field results. Make excuses for losses and why the team they support should get a second chance i.e. backdoor into the playoffs without a conference championship.
5. All games matter, according to the people who don't want expansion and automatic bids, but yet 2 teams playing today can lose and still get into the playoffs.
6. Teams might sit players if they are already guaranteed to play in conference championship. They do this already when they have huge leads on teams. I find it hard to believe that Nick Saban and other great coaches would take a chance on a loss. There competitive nature and ego's would keep it to a min. Scheduling tweaks could also make this difficult for teams to do. Back end of schedules loaded with the stiffer competition.
7. The 10-3 conference champs don't deserve a chance argument. Just maybe there schedule was more challenging than your teams. They overcame the losses and won their conference. It would be more of a rarity this happens than the norm. So what if it does happen though.
8. Too many games for the athletes arguement. High school teams in Ohio end up playing 15 games in order to be state champions. Somehow 1-2 more games for College aged young men is too much?
9. In the end, it all will works itself out. The team that wins the conference champ playoff model would have proven itself on the field.
   
10. No matter what direction college football goes in the future, I am still going to watch and support my school.

Well said. I would discuss a couple points...

6. One way to avoid this is have round 1 at home games of top 4 teams. They'd go all out to get said home game.

10. That's just kooky talk. CFB as we know it is doomed if you don't get what you want. Or so we've been told.

 

[WizardHawk]

Only problem is they make it up as they go. Sometimes they look at won-loss, sometimes they don't. CCG winners? Maybe, maybe not.

They aren't "making it up as they go". When you aren't going to go blindly on only win/loss you have the freedom to take everything into account. Some cases a ccg winner makes a big difference. Other times a head to head mattered more. Maybe an impressive win still lingers in the mind, or a bad loss at some point is what drags you down.

There are no hard if/then rules. I know some of you need that, but those do more to limit logic than clarify it.

 

[dtgold88]

They aren't "making it up as they go". When you aren't going to go blindly on only win/loss you have the freedom to take everything into account. Some cases a ccg winner makes a big difference. Other times a head to head mattered more. Maybe an impressive win still lingers in the mind, or a bad loss at some point is what drags you down.

There are no hard if/then rules. I know some of you need that, but those do more to limit logic than clarify it.

Exactly. No rules. Blindly as they go. Unlike you, I don't "need" anything.

 

[WizardHawk]

Exactly. No rules. Blindly as they go. Unlike you, I don't "need" anything.

What do I need?

Blindly to you is freedom to others. Sorry if those words bother you. Truth can be hard to swallow for some.

 

[dtgold88]

What do I need?

Blindly to you is freedom to others. Sorry if those words bother you. Truth can be hard to swallow for some.

You "need" things exactly as they are or, as you said, CFB will be ruined.

why would I be bothered by words I used? You are really outdoing yourself today. Well done? And here's a flash...it isn't mutually exclusive. They could be choosing blindly and freely.

 

[WizardHawk]

You "need" things exactly as they are or, as you said, CFB will be ruined.

No, that's not true in any way. But you keep on projecting things and putting words in mouths. It's something you have done quite a bit in this thread.

I have offered up a dozen things I'd change. To you, not wanting one particular change is the same as 'needing' things to stay the same and not liking any/all change.

Wake the fuck up already.

why would I be bothered by words I used? You are really outdoing yourself today. Well done? And here's a flash...it isn't mutually exclusive. They could be choosing blindly and freely.

You are the most wishy washy poster I've ever seen. Congrats. You are for things you are also against. Would stick with things, but want it changed, or meh.

The committee system isn't perfect. No one has claimed otherwise. It isn't without controversy, nor will everyone agree on the outcome on any given season. Expanding to 8 won't change that and going to auto bids on imbalanced schedules is just dumb. Those too can all be right at the same time. You can not think things are perfect and not go along with knee jerk bad ideas as well.

 

[CJH9972]

They aren't "making it up as they go". When you aren't going to go blindly on only win/loss you have the freedom to take everything into account. Some cases a ccg winner makes a big difference. Other times a head to head mattered more. Maybe an impressive win still lingers in the mind, or a bad loss at some point is what drags you down.

There are no hard if/then rules. I know some of you need that, but those do more to limit logic than clarify it.

You just explained making it up as they go. Also, how do hard rules limit logic?

 

[dtgold88]

No, that's not true in any way. But you keep on projecting things and putting words in mouths. It's something you have done quite a bit in this thread.

I have offered up a dozen things I'd change. To you, not wanting one particular change is the same as 'needing' things to stay the same and not liking any/all change.

Wake the fuck up already.


You are the most wishy washy poster I've ever seen. Congrats. You are for things you are also against. Would stick with things, but want it changed, or meh.

The committee system isn't perfect. No one has claimed otherwise. It isn't without controversy, nor will everyone agree on the outcome on any given season. Expanding to 8 won't change that and going to auto bids on imbalanced schedules is just dumb. Those too can all be right at the same time. You can not think things are perfect and not go along with knee jerk bad ideas as well.

You have claimed sport will be ruined, along with others. Nothing was made up.

By your "logic" I need to cry if I don't get my way? That's the better way to go? I cannot prefer something and not get bent out of shape if I don't get it? sounds childish, but OK.

 

[WizardHawk]

You just explained making it up as they go. Also, how do hard rules limit logic?

Sometimes the logical choice between a and b exists outside of narrow rules. How is that not obvious?

 

[dtgold88]

Sometimes the logical choice between a and b exists outside of narrow rules. How is that not obvious?

OK....so make it up as they go?

 

[CJH9972]

Sometimes the logical choice between a and b exists outside of narrow rules. How is that not obvious?

If you cannot invent a rule to favor a logical choice, what makes it a logical choice?

 

[WizardHawk]

You have claimed sport will be ruined, along with others. Nothing was made up.

You said:

You "need" things exactly as they are

Show me where I've said that.
I've said I'd get rid of independents, go back to balanced schedules, work on officiating as a very high priority which also means looking at rules in place that often can't be enforced the same because of wording, and others.
You are 1000% wrong that I 'need' things to remain the same. I'd very much prefer they don't fuck it up the way some of you are for. That's not the same thing at all.

Again, wake the fuck up.

By your "logic" I need to cry if I don't get my way? That's the better way to go? I cannot prefer something and not get bent out of shape if I don't get it? sounds childish, but OK.

There isn't a thing you just stated that I actually said. Once again you are more about putting words in others mouths or grossly mischaracterizing what actually was said.

For fucks sake.

 

[aar000n]

I would love to see something done about strength of schedule. SO far based on strength of schedule Clemson does not deserve to be anywhere near the playoffs.

 

[WizardHawk]

If you cannot invent a rule to favor a logical choice, what makes it a logical choice?

We had computer models in the BCS that attempted to make everything down to if/then. It wasn't any better than the polls and was so not trusted that they had to add in human polls to balance it. They were quite deep in their structure.

What you want is a set of rules a mile long to equate what the humans are doing. I haven't seen any case where they have gotten things 'wrong' yet. The cases a few want to bring up like bama when they didn't play for the CCG all were fairly reasonable when you look at the alternatives.

Win and you are in. Lose and you better not look worse than those around you in similar slots. Seems like a fairly straight forward set of rules to me.

 

[WizardHawk]

I would love to see something done about strength of schedule. SO far based on strength of schedule Clemson does not deserve to be anywhere near the playoffs.

I'd love to see the P5's conf commissioners get together and agree to a lottery system for at least 1, if not 2 OOC slots to distribute and balance non con games.

That and end FCS games. They shouldn't be played by P5's ever. Let G5's play them if they need to.

 

[dtgold88]

You said:

Show me where I've said that.
I've said I'd get rid of independents, go back to balanced schedules, work on officiating as a very high priority which also means looking at rules in place that often can't be enforced the same because of wording, and others.
You are 1000% wrong that I 'need' things to remain the same. I'd very much prefer they don't fuck it up the way some of you are for. That's not the same thing at all.

Again, wake the fuck up.


There isn't a thing you just stated that I actually said. Once again you are more about putting words in others mouths or grossly mischaracterizing what actually was said.

For fucks sake.

You needing things as they are was in regard to plan for the CFP. And, yes, you said if it goes to 8 the sport is ruined.

Funniest is you think it's not OK to like one plan but not cry if you don't get it.