Kaepernick to workout for teams

[Robotech]

Ya, but if Ben would have done his r@ping while the anthem was playing......

Still would settle out of court with the victim and no charges filed by the DA.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

The NFL presented a waiver form that isn't standard, according to what I read. Or you could say that it was standard, but the NFL added language to it so that it wasn't just the standard form.

Oh...so the NFL's own waiver had some "Kaep" addendums.

After already cutting this guy a settlement check they probably wanted to tighten down the waiver even more....lol. Either way, presenting your own waiver rarely ever works.

I have a steep bank behind my house...the bank has plants/shrubs on it. Before I let a contractor on the bank for planting pruning, anything...I need to see a copy of their GL insurance. Most have it, but if they don't have one, I have a waiver that I had drawn up by any attorney...I had a guy bring me his waiver...nada. It's not how it works sir...either you provide me with proof of GL insurance or you sign MY waiver if you want the work.

Maybe Kaep's waiver offer the same protection to the NFL, maybe not, but the NFL paid somebody a lot of money to write up this doc and tailor it to this situation...it was going to be that waiver or naught...Kaep's reps should've known that.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

Oh...so the NFL's own waiver had some "Kaep" addendums.

After already cutting this guy a settlement check they probably wanted to tighten down the waiver even more....lol. Either way, presenting your own waiver rarely ever works.

I have a steep bank behind my house...the bank has plants/shrubs on it. Before I let a contractor on the bank for planting pruning, anything...I need to see a copy of their GL insurance. Most have it, but if they don't have one, I have a waiver that I had drawn up by any attorney...I had a guy bring me his waiver...nada. It's not how it works sir...either you provide me with proof of GL insurance or you sign MY waiver if you want the work.

Maybe Kaep's waiver offer the same protection to the NFL, maybe not, but the NFL paid somebody a lot of money to write up this doc and tailor it to this situation...it was going to be that waiver or naught...Kaep's reps should've known that.

Really the only thing Kap's people had a gripe about in the NFL's standard waiver form is that it stated the workout is not an offer of employment and doesn't guarantee a job in the NFL. Kap's people had an issue with that apparently.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Ben can r*pe chicks, but NappyWeaveBro makes a poli statement and gets leprosy...

You can believe what you want, but R@pe is a pretty serious crime and if convicted it follows you for life. (just ask, Kellen Winslow Jr, and Darren Sharper). Whether Ben paid his way out of it, or however it was absolved, he got off.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Really the only thing Kap's people had a gripe about in the NFL's standard waiver form is that it stated the workout is not an offer of employment and doesn't guarantee a job in the NFL. Kap's people had an issue with that apparently.

None of it was going to change though.

 

[megalodon30]

Whether Ben paid his way out of it, or however it was absolved, he got off.

 

[scotsman1948]

I didn't say it was sub-standard. It was not normal, and one can fairly question whether it was genuine. Bottom line is that if a team really wanted him, they'd call his agent directly and set up a workout. I don't think anything magically changed last Tuesday. All teams have pretty much made the business decision long ago that Kaep isn't worth it.

Multiple teams approached the NFL commissioner about a tryout so the NFL approached his camp about coordinating one in front of them and other teams that wanted to attend. According to initial reports the representatives of 25 teams were at the Falcons facility ready to watch him perform and consider offering him a contract. You would have thought that a player of his purported quality and after 3 years would have jumped at the opportunity but instead he only wanted to use the opportunity for his own political agenda and financial ends(Nike)

 

[Groo]

 

[scotsman1948]

Really the only thing Kap's people had a gripe about in the NFL's standard waiver form is that it stated the workout is not an offer of employment and doesn't guarantee a job in the NFL. Kap's people had an issue with that apparently.

The workout is never a guarantee of anything. Over the last few days multiple teams had held workouts and none of the people who participated expected or were guaranteed anything

 

[Robotech]

Oh...so the NFL's own waiver had some "Kaep" addendums.

After already cutting this guy a settlement check they probably wanted to tighten down the waiver even more....lol. Either way, presenting your own waiver rarely ever works.

I have a steep bank behind my house...the bank has plants/shrubs on it. Before I let a contractor on the bank for planting pruning, anything...I need to see a copy of their GL insurance. Most have it, but if they don't have one, I have a waiver that I had drawn up by any attorney...I had a guy bring me his waiver...nada. It's not how it works sir...either you provide me with proof of GL insurance or you sign MY waiver if you want the work.

Maybe Kaep's waiver offer the same protection to the NFL, maybe not, but the NFL paid somebody a lot of money to write up this doc and tailor it to this situation...it was going to be that waiver or naught...Kaep's reps should've known that.

NFL wanted a waiver that could be construed very broadly, while Kaepernick wanted one that was specifically only for any injury, including death, that occurred during the workout.

There is language in the NFL's proposed waiver, such as "any and all" and "directly or indirectly" with regard to rights, potential claims, and actions, that could be construed to cover every possible claim, not just a claim based on an injury during the workout.

If I were the NFL's attorney, I would advise them the same way because they have a monopoly and Kaep is so unpopular that most everyone will take our side anyway. Also, it's probable that a judge would give our waiver a narrow interpretation, but why not try anyway in case a judge does give it a broad interpretation?

If I were Kaepernick's attorney, I probably advise him the same way, too, because he is very likely not going to get an NFL job anyway, so why potentially waive all of your rights?

 

[dkmightyhammer]

The workout is never a guarantee of anything. Over the last few days multiple teams had held workouts and none of the people who participated expected or were guaranteed anything

Ya, I know. But that is the part of the NFL's standard waiver form that Kap didn't like. That's why he came up with his own waiver form without that language in it. At least that is one of the reasons that Kap's people gave for not signing the NFL waiver. I think there were a couple other gripes he had with it as well, but that was the main one.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/11/18/colin-kaepernick-copy-of-workout-waiver

 

[scotsman1948]

Ya, I know. But that is the part of the NFL's standard waiver form that Kap didn't like. That's why he came up with his own waiver form without that language in it. At least that is one of the reasons that Kap's people gave for not signing the NFL waiver. I think there were a couple other gripes he had with it as well, but that was the main one.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/11/18/colin-kaepernick-copy-of-workout-waiver

Why should the NFL teams have to agree to guarantee him anything other than the opportunity to perform in front of them? Normal procedure after a tryout is for the team or teams to take a period of time to evaluate what they saw and any tape of the tryout before they make a decision. He wanted the teams to sign his version of the waiver form guaranteeing him an offer sight unseen before he appeared. He wanted his own film crew(actually Nike's) to film him with NFL team officials in the background

 

[Myles]

Kaep still wants to be treated in a special manner that only he gets.
CFL and XFL are waiting for you. He doesn't really want to play football, so he won't do that.

 

[Robotech]

Multiple teams approached the NFL commissioner about a tryout so the NFL approached his camp about coordinating one in front of them and other teams that wanted to attend. According to initial reports the representatives of 25 teams were at the Falcons facility ready to watch him perform and consider offering him a contract. You would have thought that a player of his purported quality and after 3 years would have jumped at the opportunity but instead he only wanted to use the opportunity for his own political agenda and financial ends(Nike)

I can understand the position that each side took in the liability waiver dispute , which I explain in a response to someone else.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

Why should the NFL teams have to agree to guarantee him anything other than the opportunity to perform in front of them? Normal procedure after a tryout is for the team or teams to take a period of time to evaluate what they saw and any tape of the tryout before they make a decision. He wanted the teams to sign his version of the waiver form guaranteeing him an offer sight unseen before he appeared. He wanted his own film crew(actually Nike's) to film him with NFL team officials in the background

I agree with you 100%. I was just saying why Kap's people complained about the standard NFL waiver and why they wouldn't sign it. I think this whole thing has been a dog fuck from Kap and his people.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Literally and figuratively...lol

 

[ATL96Steeler]

NFL wanted a waiver that could be construed very broadly, while Kaepernick wanted one that was specifically only for any injury, including death, that occurred during the workout.

There is language in the NFL's proposed waiver, such as "any and all" and "directly or indirectly" with regard to rights, potential claims, and actions, that could be construed to cover every possible claim, not just a claim based on an injury during the workout.

If I were the NFL's attorney, I would advise them the same way because they have a monopoly and Kaep is so unpopular that most everyone will take our side anyway. Also, it's probable that a judge would give our waiver a narrow interpretation, but why not try anyway in case a judge does give it a broad interpretation?

If I were Kaepernick's attorney, I probably advise him the same way, too, because he is very likely not going to get an NFL job anyway, so why potentially waive all of your rights?

IMO, this was never about playing football. As far as the NFL was concerned, I think was about creating or swaying public opinion.

If it was about playing football, the 8 teams that went to the Riverdale site could just as easily have invited Kaep to one of the many Tuesday workouts that happen every week in the NFL.

 

[Robotech]

IMO, this was never about playing football. As far as the NFL was concerned, I think was about creating or swaying public opinion.

If it was about playing football, the 8 teams that went to the Riverdale site could just as easily have invited Kaep to one of the many Tuesday workouts that happen every week in the NFL.

Yeah, the whole thing was weird from the beginning. 4 days notice of this workout given by the league office, and like you said, there is a very simple, standard procedure than an NFL team follows to evaluate a potential free agent signing.

 

[GNG]

Maybe, but none of them are on an NFL roster. They're all in high school or college.

I disagree, there are many NFL QB's a lot worse than Tebow. He led the Broncos to a playoff win which is more than many others can claim.

 

[GNG]

Tebow had a terrible QB coach with the Broncos.