2019 Offseason Thread

[WiggyRuss]

Wtf are you talking about.
There is no handicap.
I made it 5 years vs 5 years.
Heat is done. Cavs 1st year was last year. You have next 4.
That equals 5.

Comprende’?

Its exactly what you wanted.
Quit making excuses.

this is my post from Tuesday:

its just funny- cracks me up.

I will GUARANTEE that when we look at the Heats first 6 years post-LeBron and the Cavs first 6 years post LeBron that the Cavs will have had more success.

Problem for the Heat is obviously Riley. Having a GM thats interests arent aligned with the best interests of the franchise is always a mistake.



give the Heat this year (i certainly dont think they are winning a playoff series)--- ands the Cavs their 6th year. its what my original post was. If you dont want to- hey i get it- i think by then the Cavs will have an ass kicker of a team

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

this is my post from Tuesday:

its just funny- cracks me up.

I will GUARANTEE that when we look at the Heats first 6 years post-LeBron and the Cavs first 6 years post LeBron that the Cavs will have had more success.

Problem for the Heat is obviously Riley. Having a GM thats interests arent aligned with the best interests of the franchise is always a mistake.



give the Heat this year (i certainly dont think they are winning a playoff series)--- ands the Cavs their 6th year. its what my original post was. If you dont want to- hey i get it- i think by then the Cavs will have an ass kicker of a team

First of all what is definition of more success?
It Heat wins 60 more regular season games over that time, that certainly could be considered more success then possibly going one less round in the playoffs, if that happened.

Heat will make playoffs this year.
Adding a 6th won’t help you.
I mean its already a 4 year future bet.
Now it has to be 5?

Im pretty sure you made other posts that said 5-6 years.

How about this, If you made posts saying 5-6 years we use 5.
If not we use 6.

Deal?

 

[bksballer89]

You guys really need a separate thread

 

[WiggyRuss]

First of all what is definition of more success?
It Heat wins 60 more regular season games over that time, that certainly could be considered more success then possibly going one less round in the playoffs, if that happened.

Heat will make playoffs this year.
Adding a 6th won’t help you.
I mean its already a 4 year future bet.
Now it has to be 5?

Im pretty sure you made other posts that said 5-6 years.

How about this, If you made posts saying 5-6 years we use 5.
If not we use 6.

Deal?

my definition of success is wining playoff series.

I dont give a shit if my team wins 3 games or 30 games. If they miss the playoffs they miss the playoffs.

 

[lebron23james]

It is possible that the window is closing.

But, like others have said, the core is not old. They play extremely well together.

They will not be favorites this year. They could lose first round or even miss the playoffs all together if they get 1 more major injury.

But if they are healthy in April, there aren’t more than 5 teams with a better chance of winning a championship.

I am not going to say they will win another because it is hard to win championships, but if I had to bet in a team to win a title at some point in the next 4 years, I would take the Clippers first and the Warriors second.

Too difficult for me to pick a team from the East right now because I have a lot of questions about each of the top contenders. And as good as Portland and Utah are, does anybody really think those teams are going to win a championship?

I don’t

Vegas would love your dumb money bets. The only way GS has ever won was having an extra star. Everytime they are = or close they have lost. So i am not sure how they will beat other teams now with = or better stars, now that durant is gone.

I think Philly or Mill will take the next step forward. There are easily 5 teams over GS next year and 7 in the following...Clippers, Lakers, Houston, Boston, Philly, Mill, Brooklyn i would take all of them over GS.

They still have 2 stars currently on their team like every other team, so why do you not think they are the favorites? What is with the excuses? If they are good as you think they are they should be favorites with the rest of the 2 all-star pairs in the league, but clearly you don't think so...Says more about each "star" to me

Luckily, you will find out next year that they aren't as good as you think

 

[trojanfan12]

Jimmy butler makes them significantly better.

No doubt about that.

lol

Gotta hand it to Wiggy. When he grinds an axe, he grinds the shit out of it.

 

[msgkings322]

I just think 2 first rounders, Iggy's expiring (which may net the Grizz a first rounder on its own, or at least multiple 2nd rounders), losing Livingston's expiring for nothing--- in order to give Deanglo Russell $29M a year for the next 4 years is hardly a cant miss move.

If they deal Russell after 1 year--- with that contract I think its going to be hard to even recoup the assets they gave up to get him.

but we shall see. thats why the play the games.

I do agree with you that Russell is a lot lot lot better than nothing---- but the cost was not exactly cheap-- lot of money/cap space and draft capital.

Who said it was 'cant miss'? What it was was the best available move given what happened. As I said, taking risks that work out is how you win titles

 

[bksballer89]

lol

Gotta hand it to Wiggy. When he grinds an axe, he grinds the shit out of it.

Sooo you're telling me a top 20 player makes Miami better after probably not having a top 40 player the last 2 or 3 years?

Absolutely stunning I tell you

 

[trojanfan12]

Yeah.

Joaquim Noah’s response was perfect.

Do you get double teamed in games?

Then you should practice against doubles in practice games.

Yep. If you're just messing around with friends in a pickup game, then maybe you don't double team.

But if you're actually practicing and trying to improve. You should be trying to improve against the defenses you're actually going to see.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

my definition of success is wining playoff series.

I dont give a shit if my team wins 3 games or 30 games. If they miss the playoffs they miss the playoffs.

Not what I implied.
If they win that many more games, chances are they make the playoffs more times.
My question was, does going 1 round further once ( if it happened) while making playoffs less mean it was a more successful time frame?

 

[WiggyRuss]

Not what I implied.
If they win that many more games, chances are they make the playoffs more times.
My question was, does going 1 round further once ( if it happened) while making playoffs less mean it was a more successful time frame?

uhhh what? i dont know too many 30 win teams that make the playoffs lol

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Sooo you're telling me a top 20 player makes Miami better after probably not having a top 40 player the last 2 or 3 years?

Absolutely stunning I tell you

Not only that, the Heats plan post James leaving centered around Bosh, Wade, Dragic, with Boshs role clearly expanding.
No team can plan for a 2 year injury or career ending illness.

Gotta accept and live with results, but to think Riley had a bad plan is ridiculous.

 

[WiggyRuss]

First of all what is definition of more success?
It Heat wins 60 more regular season games over that time, that certainly could be considered more success then possibly going one less round in the playoffs, if that happened.

Heat will make playoffs this year.
Adding a 6th won’t help you.
I mean its already a 4 year future bet.
Now it has to be 5?

Im pretty sure you made other posts that said 5-6 years.

How about this, If you made posts saying 5-6 years we use 5.
If not we use 6.

Deal?

my posts were always 6 years after Lebron. if you can find one that says 5 go for it. you will be searching for a LONG time

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

uhhh what? i dont know too many 30 win teams that make the playoffs lol

Obviously.
Forget you wrote 3 or 30, and assume team made playoffs 4 of 6 years vs other team making twice but going 1 round further once.

 

[trojanfan12]

Sooo you're telling me a top 20 player makes Miami better after probably not having a top 40 player the last 2 or 3 years?

Absolutely stunning I tell you

Yeah, I'm out on a limb with that one. lol

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

my posts were always 6 years after Lebron. if you can find one that says 5 go for it. you will be searching for a LONG time

I have 2+ hour meeting now

 

[WiggyRuss]

That's what cracks me up about all the snipers here. What the heck else could they have done? Let KD walk for nothing? Wiggy posts the idea that they trade Iggy, Livingston, and 2 late firsts for someone...who else was out there to trade for?

I'm psyched by the creativity of the front office.

i have no clue- and as i said you didnt have to just trade for 1 guy.

personally i would have looked for someone to shore up the front court---- its razor thin as is- and if draymond misses any time it goes from thin to atrocious.

i guess, my point is, that if you are going to hold onto Russell---- then thats fine. But if you are going to trade him, its a different story

i mean if you trade Russell- like you were talking about what are you gonna get? More than Iguadala, plus an expiring like livingston and 2 future first rounders?

I dunno. Its a tough sell if you ask me with how much teams value cap flexibility and picks now a days. You ask me what they could have gotten-- i mean what do you think you can get for Russell if hes dealt?


the question comes down to, for me anyway---- if the Warriors plan to deal him--- what would bring back more in a trade?

Deanglo Russell on a 4 year 117M dollar contract?

Or

Iguadala, Livingston's expiring, and 2 first round picks.

I think thats debatable --- and either way i dont think option A or B is getting you much more than the other- pretty equal if ou ask me.

 

[trojanfan12]

Who said it was 'cant miss'? What it was was the best available move given what happened. As I said, taking risks that work out is how you win titles

Yeah, I don't get the criticism. The Warriors had no control over KD's decision. In fact, based on how quickly it happened, I'd say that decision was made a long time ago. They also had no control over Klay's knee.

Obviously, they aren't better without KD and Klay. But getting a player of D-Lo's caliber should make them a better team than if they were going with just Steph, Dray and praying that Klay heals fast.

At the least, having D-Lo should help them keep their heads above water until Klay returns.

Even if D-Lo somehow ends up being a disaster, it was still a move you make 10 times out of 10 when you're in the Warriors position.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Lets look at possible Russell destinations if he is dealt.

1A.) is the Twolves as they supposedly had the most interest in him.

I would GUESS that a package would involve Covington- but a lot more salary would have to go back to GSW than just Covington. Covington is signed for this year, plus 2 more years at a very reasonable rate. Its not like they are giving up a lotto pick or young talent like culver along with Covington.

2.) Suns? After signing Rubio- unless the Warriors were willing to take back Rubio in a deal i dont see it happening.

3.) Knicks? Knicks arent trading Barrett. Does a DSJ or Knox get you going? - plus gotta add in salary--- Portis or Randle? still need more salary.

4.) Magic? i dunno

I think you can safely cross off the: Celtics, Nets, Sixers, Clippers, Lakers, Kings, Cavs, Pacers, Bucks, Hawks, Nuggets, Jazz, Mavs, Rockets, Grizz, Pelicans, Spurs without a second thought

 

[Black Adam]

lol

Gotta hand it to Wiggy. When he grinds an axe, he grinds the shit out of it.

that's WiggityWack for real...