How long does Philly stick with Wentz before going back to Foles?

[NWPATSFAN]

Hey, look at all these “dumbasses” who went into the military who seem to know more than the TOY!

The military is a breeding house for trolls

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I never called the military uneducated.

Whats dumb about it? Do smart kids got to the military? No. Do wealthy kids go to the military? No. Its an avenue for working class kids. Here comes the stories about the valedictorians choosing the military.... yawn

Never said that. Im talking statistically. The majority of people that go in the military are working class kids with limited options.

Poor and Uneducated, Like We Thought

Curious about anything that challenges my assumptions, I looked into the Heritage Foundation study. As it turns out, military personnel are poorer and less educated than the average American civilian. Moreover, they're also a lot more likely to be African-American. (State-controlled media continues to repeat Heritage's claim that the military reflects American racial demographics.)

There are lies, damned lies and Republican statistics. The Heritage study relies on apples-to-oranges comparisons and factual omissions.

No one tracks how much soldiers earned the year before they enlist. The Department of Defense estimates that its employees take a $20,000-per-year pay-and-benefits hit relative to civilians the same age throughout their careers. There is, however, a nifty study by the nonpartisan National Priorities Project that compares home ZIP codes of new recruits to tax return data for those areas. "Neighborhoods with low- to middle-median household incomes are over-represented," finds the NPP. "Neighborhoods with high-median household incomes are under-represented."

A closer look shows that the socioeconomic distance between America at home and American troops abroad is a gaping chasm. Young men and women from affluent neighborhoods—those with average household incomes of $100,000 or more—are three to four times less likely as those from poor and lower middle class areas (under $50,000) to serve in the military. This ratio is increasing.

Heritage obtained different results by "comparing these wartime recruits (2003–2005) to the resident population ages 18–24" in each ZIP code (as opposed to the overall population, all ages included). Many recruits are college dropouts who list their last address—their college dorm—when they sign up. College ZIP codes are populated by disproportionately high numbers of 18 to 24-year-olds who are full-time students and/or work low-paying and part-time jobs. Though imperfect, NPP gets much closer to comparing apples to apples by looking at the overall income picture of recruits' hometowns or communities surrounding a college, not just college-aid kids who earn a pittance.

Nothing says that poor people can't make good soldiers. But let's not kid ourselves. There's a reason so many of the dead come from high-unemployment, low-wage states like West Virginia. They're desperate. And desperate people are more tempted to accept a job that could cost them their lives.

"Many enlisted personnel are drawn to the benefits offered by the armed forces that allow them to obtain funding for college," the Heritage study's authors allow. On the broader point of education levels among U.S. troops, however, they again resort to pomegranate-to-rutabaga comparisons.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office's "1999 Survey of Active Duty Personnel" (the last year for which such data is available) found that "about 60 percent of enlisted personnel surveyed ... reported having no more than a high-school-level education when they began their military service." (Heritage jacks up the total to 83 percent by including GEDs.) Ninety percent of employed Americans over age 25 have a high school diploma.

As they age, military personnel eventually obtain additional educational credentials during their years in the service. Even so, the March 2003 U.S. Census finds that 32 percent of employed Americans have a bachelor's or advanced degree. Just 7 percent of soldiers do.

You don't need a Ph.D. in Middle East Studies to fire a rifle. But higher education generally leads to greater worldliness—which would come in handy in the post-9/11 era.

"Allegations that recruiters are disproportionately targeting blacks also don't hold water," says the Heritage Foundation. "First, whites make up 77.4 percent of the nation's population and 75.8 percent of its military volunteers, according to our analysis of Department of Defense data."

Which is "true"—but not True.

The key word here is "volunteers," which here means "new recruits." A new CBO study released this July states: "Because black personnel have been a larger share of recruits in the past and because they have relatively high retention rates, however, they account for a larger share of the active enlisted force as a whole: 19 percent, compared with 14 percent of the civilian population of 17- to 49-year-olds. Black service members make up a smaller percentage of the active officer corps: 9 percent."

You're more than 35 percent more likely to be in the military if you're black than if you're white. But you're 35 percent less likely to become an officer. Ignore the propaganda—the military is a reflection of, rather than a cure for, racism.

"Recruiters are knowingly allowing neo-Nazis and white supremacists to join the armed forces, and commanders don't remove them from the military even after we positively identify them as extremists or gang members," Scott Barfield, a Defense Department investigator, told the Southern Poverty Law Center.

There are, of course, intelligent, well-educated children of wealthy parents serving in the military. But they are the exception, not the rule. If Afghanistan and Iraq are, as the Bush administration argues, central fronts in the war on terror, which is a war for hearts and minds, we ought to be sending our best-prepared, most presentable representatives of American society abroad as personal ambassadors. Our decision not to pay the higher salaries and benefits that would lure those men and women out of the civilian workforce belies those claims.

I worked in alternative school with troubled kids for a long time and they went to the military cause they couldn’t get into college. I don’t know why you’re ripping me over this, it’s common knowledge. It does come off as insulting but I’m not trying to be. I’m not defending UCLA I’m saying how much of a beautiful place it is and the vast majority of kids would rather live in paradise then join the military.

OK, I'm going to bite on this one.

Going into the military will quite likely allow you to mature enough to be ready to learn when you do go to college and you do not necessarily have to wait until you get out. You also won't have to go massively in debt for the degree that more likely will pay you $60k/yr. Very few get $280k because they went to college. Most big money comes with time and maturity. I did very well by going into the military. I recommend it very highly and still do to this day. I'm also proud to serve those who serve our country.

One other advantage for young men who choose to serve - they get good life lessons from honorable men and women, while those impressionable young men and women who go directly to college get brainwashed by liberal teachers who prefer anarchy over our country. I have hired and fired many men. I have found no better employees, no better leaders, than those who served.

 

[Manster7588]

I am. Tell me about them.

Its not that hard to learn about. You just have to know you are military first, but the military will take care of your educational needs. I can not speak for those outside of USAF Security Forces, but the USAF SF do push education and as of very recently you wont make E-7 without at least an Associate's degree.

Trust me. As a life time military person (20 active × 16 GS) The AF wants educated personnel leading the AF. Do yourself a favor, sit down with a Senior or Chief Master Sargent or a Colonel or General and have a conversation. If you are not impressed I'd say you are lying to yourself. I would say say sit down with any TSgt or MSgt, but I'll admit you might find an idiot who made it that high (me for instance) and miss grade the rest of of the ranks.

In short you impression of only idiot joining the miltary is simply WRONG.

Please understand I typed this whole message under the influence of RUM.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Dak Prescott pretty much owns the NFC East

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[dbldwn711]

Even after reading ALL this he will 1) continue spouting his nonsense and 2) not apologize.

Thank all of you for your service.

 

[Manster7588]

So in the last page of post we learned PE1 has bashed the military and its education programs while not knowing about the military education programs.


Isn't that the true definition of ignorance?

 

[Schmoopy1000]

So in the last page of post we learned PE1 has bashed the military and its education programs while not knowing about the military education programs.


Isn't that the true definition of ignorance?

 

[dbldwn711]

So in the last page of post we learned PE1 has bashed the military and its education programs while not knowing about the military education programs.


Isn't that the true definition of ignorance?

I’ll say this about him:

Often in error ... never in doubt.

 

[Manster7588]

Drunk in Barbados. Loving my uneducated life.

 

[Manster7588]

I’ll say this about him:

Often in error ... never in doubt.

If doubt = MORON I agree.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Its not that hard to learn about. You just have to know you are military first, but the military will take care of your educational needs. I can not speak for those outside of USAF Security Forces, but the USAF SF do push education and as of very recently you wont make E-7 without at least an Associate's degree.

Trust me. As a life time military person (20 active × 16 GS) The AF wants educated personnel leading the AF. Do yourself a favor, sit down with a Senior or Chief Master Sargent or a Colonel or General and have a conversation. If you are not impressed I'd say you are lying to yourself. I would say say sit down with any TSgt or MSgt, but I'll admit you might find an idiot who made it that high (me for instance) and miss grade the rest of of the ranks.

In short you impression of only idiot joining the miltary is simply WRONG.

Please understand I typed this whole message under the influence of RUM.

1. I didn’t say only idiots join
2. I said IMO the best career route is to go to college and start earning ASAP
3. I said most kids who have the option to go to college and not turn it down for the military... especially the kids who do really well in HS.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Even after reading ALL this he will 1) continue spouting his nonsense and 2) not apologize.

Thank all of you for your service.

Spout nonsense like I think going to college is a better career path then going to the military then college. Yeah... complete nonsense there.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

but you dont graduate straight out of high school.
So if you use the military to get an education. you are still waiting 4 years (or however many for whichever field)

We were talking about going to the military before you go to college for 4 years. I think it’s smarter to take the loans and work in your field 4 years and pay off your debt while you are making much more money.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Is anyone interested in purchasing a heavily abused PE1?

I'm tired of owning him and need some tax relief.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

OK, I'm going to bite on this one.

Going into the military will quite likely allow you to mature enough to be ready to learn when you do go to college and you do not necessarily have to wait until you get out. You also won't have to go massively in debt for the degree that more likely will pay you $60k/yr. Very few get $280k because they went to college. Most big money comes with time and maturity. I did very well by going into the military. I recommend it very highly and still do to this day. I'm also proud to serve those who serve our country.

One other advantage for young men who choose to serve - they get good life lessons from honorable men and women, while those impressionable young men and women who go directly to college get brainwashed by liberal teachers who prefer anarchy over our country. I have hired and fired many men. I have found no better employees, no better leaders, than those who served.

Biggest fallacy ever that Universities brain wash their students with liberal info. I went to many years of college and in math we learned math. In anatomy and phys we learned about the body. In English we learned English skill (even though I never learned then/than). We learned a foreign language in language class. In biomechanics we learned about parabolic paths and terminal velocity. This whole Universities brain wash kids with liberal politics is a complete LIE! Yes, most professors are liberal. The highly educated Doctorate person tends to be liberal. Such a ridiculous Fox News lie.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Is anyone interested in purchasing a heavily abused PE1?

I'm tired of owning him and need some tax relief.

I’m so abused because I think it’s a better career path to go to college instead of the military.
Jesus dude do you even read what you write?

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I’m so abused because I think it’s a better career path to go to college instead of the military.
Jesus dude do you even read what you write?

I've owned your dumb ass at every turn. You refuse to answer any of my questions because you know I'm right.
Stop GNGing on here and apologize for being wrong. We've pointed out EXACTLY what you've said.

Again give up this fight you've been abused so bad your birth certificate is bleeding.

 

[PDay8810]

thankfully this country now understands and thanks vets for their service...that sure wasn't the case for the Vietnam vets.

Two of my sons graduated college with zero debt....that would not be possible if they attended college today.

College tuition today is a sad joke.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

I've owned your dumb ass at every turn. You refuse to answer any of my questions because you know I'm right.
Stop GNGing on here and apologize for being wrong. We've pointed out EXACTLY what you've said.

Again give up this fight you've been abused so bad your birth certificate is bleeding.

Sorry, what question did you ask me. And no... you didn’t abuse me at all. You’re just butt hurt that I think going straight to college is a better career move. I think the money, 401k etc lost while in the military doesn’t equal the benefit of going to college first. That’s not a ludicrous thought. Plus you don’t have to deal with the PTSD and depression so many soldiers struggle with.

 

[Southieinnc]

Biggest fallacy ever that Universities brain wash their students with liberal info. I went to many years of college and in math we learned math. In anatomy and phys we learned about the body. In English we learned English skill (even though I never learned then/than). We learned a foreign language in language class. In biomechanics we learned about parabolic paths and terminal velocity. This whole Universities brain wash kids with liberal politics is a complete LIE! Yes, most professors are liberal. The highly educated Doctorate person tends to be liberal. Such a ridiculous Fox News lie.

I went to college. I learned liberalism at every turn. I went in the military before I graduated and continued while serving.
I spent my entire time in the military paying off debt from school. When I left service I started my 1st of many business's.
I don't need to work. I work to serve. I could retire today.

You need to talk to some of the young men and women I have worked with. By the time they are 40 they have their 1st retirement in the bag, they are educated and trained. They have seen the world while your frat house buddy's are still trying to save for an education. Guys like @Manster7588 , working at civilian jobs towards a 2nd retirement check are doing very well, thank you. I'm living in the tropics all expenses paid. It's a good life.
I hope you have your tenure. Could be rough if you lost your job.

One final thing: Those who can, do; those who can't, teach