Series Thread: WCF: 1) Golden State Warriors vs 3) Portland Trail Blazers

[Shanemansj13]

looking forward to tonight’s game. Dame loves playing in Oakland and he’s gonna he fired up.

Think we will see Andre on Dame and Klay on CJ to start the game. It’ll be important though to stop the role players early and limit their role.

Looney again will be one of the biggest keys to this series. It’s amazing how integral he’s become to this team(this coming from a big Looney supporter). Think we’re gonna also need a big series from one additional bench player.

I think if Portland role players can step up this should be a battle, I still see the Warriors winning bc guys just seem to step up but you could argue Lillard-McCollum duo is playing better than Curry-Klay right now. We will see without KD on the floor for at least 2 games.

 

[trojanfan12]

Yes I know that. My point being, that the Warriors have no way to add guys. And that's equally as likely as the teams you were concocting. There is no mechanism by which this statement:

"Can you imagine (for example) a Kemba, Harden, Paul George, Giannis, A. Davis line up?"

Has ANY chance of happening.

Sure there is...

When they are all 35+ years old and signing for vet minimums. lol

 

[buckalis]

The difference in cap space between the Nets and Clippers and then the Bucks is a lot. Like I said, the cap space will be used for Middleton but if it isn't they don't have enough to get a star in FA. So then you go your route and sign Mirotic and Lopez to $12M a piece but probably more...you immediate get worse and you can't make any more moves to improve the team other than small moves. Unless they trade Middleton which I realistically don't think will happen...they sign him long-term. I am not sure where you are getting these crazy ideas. Could they put together a package for AD...I mean it is possible but if they go to the Finals I don't see a reason to break up the core of this team.

I'm pretty sure that the F.O. of the Bucks does examine trading for AD... Which they could achieve easier than one may think after they've convincingly beaten the Celtics... Giannis would like it, AD would like it, Mirotic would like it and ...Jrue Holiday would like it as he then would go with AD...

However... there are a few things that concern the Bucks F.O...

1. Would Middleton agree to go to N.O. on a "sign and trade"?
2. Adding AD and JH, would then mean that Brogdon & Lopez must be added next to Middleton on a package...
3. (most important) Would the team be (financially) retain-able after the contracts of AD and Giannis come up for a renewal?

I'm sure that if Giannis and AD team up, they'll both sign some "team friendly" deals next as to retain the team together (5/200? perhaps...) But even this, it would mean having some 130M of salaries for only the starting line-up... and although the Lux tax level will be up to 154M after a couple of seasons, it still means that the bench has to be on min salaries and one year contracts...

Surely a Brogdon, Holiday, Mirotic, Giannis, AD line up would be dreadful and could even sweep todays GSW... but where is the fan in this? (that would be my objection - the reason why I don't want this trade to happen...)

 

[Montalban]

The Warriors should win this one despite Durant's achilles injury. If the Warriors have a let down after their big win against Houston and Portland steals the game tonight or game 2, they have a chance. Other than that, the Warriors should win it. They've shown that they can win without Durant.

 

[Montalban]

Yes, possible he's back sometime during this series...same thing for Boogie.

Not a chance. I don't know why the Warriors keep insisting that Durant's injury is a calf strain. It was an achilles injury and he won't be back. I don't know the severity but the way the injury occurred is not how calf strains happen, it is how achilles injuries happen and his description of how it felt lines up perfectly.

 

[Heatles84]

For a calf strain. I doubt we see KD in the WCF. I imagine he'd be back around game 2 or 3 of the Finals, if they make it past Portland; which I think they will.

 

[Heatles84]

I really don't see what you find lolable... Can you imagine (for example) a Kemba, Harden, Paul George, Giannis, A. Davis line up? What chances would the Warriors have against it? zero is tops... bellow zero, most probable...

Sixers have Simmons, Butler, Reddick, Harris and Embiid in their roster, what if they add Kemba and A. Davis?

I don't think you understand how the salary cap works. There's no way that roster could happen at this juncture.

 

[Heatles84]

Yes I know that. My point being, that the Warriors have no way to add guys. And that's equally as likely as the teams you were concocting. There is no mechanism by which this statement:

"Can you imagine (for example) a Kemba, Harden, Paul George, Giannis, A. Davis line up?"

Has ANY chance of happening. You claimed there would be SEVERAL teams better than this current dynasty of the Warriors, NEXT YEAR. That is about the craziest dumbest thing posted here in a while and that is with some stiff competition.

If the CBA stays the way it's constructed and we have the cap that we have now going forward, this will likely never be done again. This could potentially be the last dynasty we see in the NBA for quite some time.

 

[msgkings322]

Warriors in 6, they often play with less intensity when they are significant favorites. Portland is no slouch.

I don't think Durant plays until the last game, to prevent going to 3-3, and to get him a little run. They will err on caution with him

 

[Shanemansj13]

I'm pretty sure that the F.O. of the Bucks does examine trading for AD... Which they could achieve easier than one may think after they've convincingly beaten the Celtics... Giannis would like it, AD would like it, Mirotic would like it and ...Jrue Holiday would like it as he then would go with AD...

However... there are a few things that concern the Bucks F.O...

1. Would Middleton agree to go to N.O. on a "sign and trade"?
2. Adding AD and JH, would then mean that Brogdon & Lopez must be added next to Middleton on a package...
3. (most important) Would the team be (financially) retain-able after the contracts of AD and Giannis come up for a renewal?

I'm sure that if Giannis and AD team up, they'll both sign some "team friendly" deals next as to retain the team together (5/200? perhaps...) But even this, it would mean having some 130M of salaries for only the starting line-up... and although the Lux tax level will be up to 154M after a couple of seasons, it still means that the bench has to be on min salaries and one year contracts...

Surely a Brogdon, Holiday, Mirotic, Giannis, AD line up would be dreadful and could even sweep todays GSW... but where is the fan in this? (that would be my objection - the reason why I don't want this trade to happen...)

Wait so they get Holiday and AD? They signed Holiday to a long-term contract, why would they just throw him in a deal with Middleton, Mirotic and Lopez. BTW both these guys are FA's so I mean you are living in fairytaleland. You have no idea how the cap, FA, NBA, etc. in general works.

You also said Brogdon would be added in the deal but then you said he is on the Bucks with that "fairytale" lineup. I think you are very confused. It's ok...we all can dream.

I dream the Cavs get Zion then they trade Tristan Thompson for Klay Thompson. Then KD decides to come to Cleveland and they trade Kevin Love for Curry and they have a lineup of Curry, Klay, KD, Zion with an amazing bench with Sexton, Osman, Clarkson. It won't matter they have $190M in salaries

 

[msgkings322]

If the CBA stays the way it's constructed and we have the cap that we have now going forward, this will likely never be done again. This could potentially be the last dynasty we see in the NBA for quite some time.

Never is a long time. Why can't another team get lucky/great drafted guys and bolt on a ring hungry superstar? The key to this dynasty was not free agency, it was the draft

 

[OregonDucks]

Is it a possibility Durant's injury is more than just what they are saying it is? Are you allowed to downplay the injury in the NBA per the injury report? I could see him being out longer than just game 1 and game 2.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Is it a possibility Durant's injury is more than just what they are saying it is? Are you allowed to downplay the injury in the NBA per the injury report? I could see him being out longer than just game 1 and game 2.

I think he will miss the entire series especially since it's every other day. I think he at least misses the first four games. He hasn't even been on the court, it is very possible he misses the entire series and I wouldn't be surprised. If the Warriors go 2-0 or 3-0 he is definitely missing the whole series, they will try to push off his return until the last moment or NBA Finals if they were to make it. In a do or die Game 7 I could see him returning.

A return from this injury is said to be around 2 weeks. Game 5 is on May 22nd, he got injured on the 9th. I say Game 6 or 7 would be a good timeline but he still wouldn't be 100% most likely.

 

[OregonDucks]

I think he will miss the entire series especially since it's every other day. I think he at least misses the first four games. He hasn't even been on the court, it is very possible he misses the entire series and I wouldn't be surprised. If the Warriors go 2-0 or 3-0 he is definitely missing the whole series, they will try to push off his return until the last moment or NBA Finals if they were to make it. In a do or die Game 7 I could see him returning.

A return from this injury is said to be around 2 weeks. Game 5 is on May 22nd, he got injured on the 9th. I say Game 6 or 7 would be a good timeline but he still wouldn't be 100% most likely.

Yeah I could see them holding him out until the Finals if they control the WCF without any fear of losing it. I could see him returning in the WCF if it starts going to a game 6 or 7. I could even see them holding him out game 1 or 2 of the Finals depending on how they start off the Finals.

But I think first sign of worry and they'll insert him back into the lineup.

 

[msgkings322]

The Warriors should win this one despite Durant's achilles injury. If the Warriors have a let down after their big win against Houston and Portland steals the game tonight or game 2, they have a chance. Other than that, the Warriors should win it. They've shown that they can win without Durant.

Who hurt their Achilles?

 

[CitySushi]

Is it a possibility Durant's injury is more than just what they are saying it is? Are you allowed to downplay the injury in the NBA per the injury report? I could see him being out longer than just game 1 and game 2.

It's probably more serious on the grade of calf strains, but there's absolutely nothing to gain if it was truly an achillies tear to say it was just a calf strain. The reason being is that if you tear an achillies you need surgery and if KD truly had the injury, considering he's a free agent, there's no way he puts off that surgery one more day than necessary.

I think KD's calf strain is probably severe and the Warriors/KD will be cautious. The Warriors still want KD back and they're not treating him like a lost cause. One way to alienate a player is to not put their health first and contradict what the player and his advisors are saying. Just look at how the Kawhi situation was handled with the Spurs and they're a first class organization.

 

[CitySushi]

Yeah I could see them holding him out until the Finals if they control the WCF without any fear of losing it. I could see him returning in the WCF if it starts going to a game 6 or 7. I could even see them holding him out game 1 or 2 of the Finals depending on how they start off the Finals.

But I think first sign of worry and they'll insert him back into the lineup.

Again, the Warriors don't hold the cards in that respect. It's KD. If he's not healthy, he should not play and the Warriors will not force him to either if he's not ready. The Warriors want KD back. Putting him back into the lineup when he's not ready could lead to a major injury. The Warriors are not that short-sighted.

 

[Shanemansj13]

It's probably more serious on the grade of calf strains, but there's absolutely nothing to gain if it was truly an achillies tear to say it was just a calf strain. The reason being is that if you tear an achillies you need surgery and if KD truly had the injury, considering he's a free agent, there's no way he puts off that surgery one more day than necessary.

I think KD's calf strain is probably severe and the Warriors/KD will be cautious. The Warriors still want KD back and they're not treating him like a lost cause. One way to alienate a player is to not put their health first and contradict what the player and his advisors are saying. Just look at how the Kawhi situation was handled with the Spurs and they're a first class organization.

Yep no reason to rush his return, even if he wasn't fully healed and they went to a game 7 with Portland I don't think they would rush him back unless they knew he could perform at a high level and the injury risk wasn't that high. You always have to be cautious with any injury but especially with this one. I think he misses the whole series. Best case scenario for him is they go to Game 7, win and he gets more rest. With the layoff before the Finals he would have around 3 weeks to recover for Game 1 of the Finals.

 

[CitySushi]

Yep no reason to rush his return, even if he wasn't fully healed and they went to a game 7 with Portland I don't think they would rush him back unless they knew he could perform at a high level and the injury risk wasn't that high. You always have to be cautious with any injury but especially with this one. I think he misses the whole series. Best case scenario for him is they go to Game 7, win and he gets more rest. With the layoff before the Finals he would have around 3 weeks to recover for Game 1 of the Finals.

Best case is actually the Bucks going 7 games and the Warriors finishing in 4. Would get every bit of rest without the team suffering extra minutes on the court. I would also assume he's not traveling with the team to get treatment but if the Warriors finish in 4, he'll have the entirety of the training staff at his disposal for an extra week and a half.

 

[buckalis]

Wait so they get Holiday and AD? They signed Holiday to a long-term contract, why would they just throw him in a deal with Middleton, Mirotic and Lopez. BTW both these guys are FA's so I mean you are living in fairytaleland. You have no idea how the cap, FA, NBA, etc. in general works.

What?

1.Jrue has clearly stated in multiple occasions to the media, that "the only reason I'm in N.O, is because of AD... If he goes, I will ask for a trade"...

2.N.O. is on a rebuilt, what they want, is to rise up the value of AD so that his salary comes up to its "real value"...

3.AD has already said to the media that the Bucks are among his desired destinations...

You also said Brogdon would be added in the deal but then you said he is on the Bucks with that "fairytale" lineup. I think you are very confused. It's ok...we all can dream.

What you think? Is it that the Bucks would both sign Jrue and would renew Brogdon? Then bench one of them... right? Come to your senses mate, if the Bucks will trade for AD + Jrue, they'll have to give Brogdon back, but also... The Pels would demand Brogdon in the package...

I dream the Cavs get Zion then they trade Tristan Thompson for Klay Thompson. Then KD decides to come to Cleveland and they trade Kevin Love for Curry and they have a lineup of Curry, Klay, KD, Zion with an amazing bench with Sexton, Osman, Clarkson. It won't matter they have $190M in salaries

You can dream what ever you want... I don't dream, nor I care on others dreams and visions...