Series Thread: WCF: 1) Golden State Warriors vs 3) Portland Trail Blazers

[msgkings322]

I really don't see what you find lolable... Can you imagine (for example) a Kemba, Harden, Paul George, Giannis, A. Davis line up? What chances would the Warriors have against it? zero is tops... bellow zero, most probable...

Sixers have Simmons, Butler, Reddick, Harris and Embiid in their roster, what if they add Kemba and A. Davis?

Can you imagine A. Davis and Kemba joining the Warriors next year? Because that's as likely

 

[buckalis]

Can you imagine A. Davis and Kemba joining the Warriors next year? Because that's as likely

No it isn't... If the Warriors were to keep their salaries at the level they now are, they would have to pay some ...120M (that is 120.000.000) more in taxation (lux tax + severe penalty tax for being into the lux tax for too long - more than 4 seasons)... Therefore the Warriors don't want to keep KD or the "Boogie man", nor they want to sign additional All Stars... OKC and GSW will want to go bellow the lux tax (132M of salaries for next season) for (at least) the next season.

 

[tlance]

No it isn't... If the Warriors were to keep their salaries at the level they now are, they would have to pay some ...120M (that is 120.000.000) more in taxation (lux tax + severe penalty tax for being into the lux tax for too long - more than 4 seasons)... Therefore the Warriors don't want to keep KD or the "Boogie man", nor they want to sign additional All Stars... OKC and GSW will want to go bellow the lux tax (132M of salaries for next season) for (at least) the next season.

I think you are just messing with us.

If you are willing to learn and want some help in unstanding how the salary cap works in the NBA, then I can teach you a bit.

But literally nothing that you have posted about free agency is grounded in reality of how the NBA works.

So, you won't be taken seriously posting unrealistic stuff. Maybe that is what you are going for, but I think you might actually believe what you are posting.

But it isn't the luxury tax preventing the Warriors from signing another star. It is the cap itself. Curry will be making 40, Klay 35, Dray 18 and Iggy 17.

That is $110 million between 4 players which is right at the projected cap level. They can go over to sign their own players (to a point) but can't sign a free agent beyond the MLE for like 6 million.

It isn't easy to create a superteam anymore. And I'm pretty sure you can't even have more than 1 supermax on any 1 team. Even then, you can't fit more than 2 regular vet max contracts on the books without owning the players bird rights.

So your talk about all the coming superteams is unrealistic. There might be a new one out there, but not multiples and it is highly unlikely anyone can assemble a core to rival the talent GS has this year. Maybe ever.

 

[msgkings322]

No it isn't... If the Warriors were to keep their salaries at the level they now are, they would have to pay some ...120M (that is 120.000.000) more in taxation (lux tax + severe penalty tax for being into the lux tax for too long - more than 4 seasons)... Therefore the Warriors don't want to keep KD or the "Boogie man", nor they want to sign additional All Stars... OKC and GSW will want to go bellow the lux tax (132M of salaries for next season) for (at least) the next season.

Yes I know that. My point being, that the Warriors have no way to add guys. And that's equally as likely as the teams you were concocting. There is no mechanism by which this statement:

"Can you imagine (for example) a Kemba, Harden, Paul George, Giannis, A. Davis line up?"

Has ANY chance of happening. You claimed there would be SEVERAL teams better than this current dynasty of the Warriors, NEXT YEAR. That is about the craziest dumbest thing posted here in a while and that is with some stiff competition.

 

[buckalis]

Yes I know that. My point being, that the Warriors have no way to add guys. And that's equally as likely as the teams you were concocting. There is no mechanism by which this statement:

"Can you imagine (for example) a Kemba, Harden, Paul George, Giannis, A. Davis line up?"

Has ANY chance of happening. You claimed there would be SEVERAL teams better than this current dynasty of the Warriors, NEXT YEAR. That is about the craziest dumbest thing posted here in a while and that is with some stiff competition.

All Bucks, Sixers and Clippers (at least these) will be better than GSW next season.

 

[buckalis]

I think you are just messing with us.

If you are willing to learn and want some help in unstanding how the salary cap works in the NBA, then I can teach you a bit.

But literally nothing that you have posted about free agency is grounded in reality of how the NBA works.

So, you won't be taken seriously posting unrealistic stuff. Maybe that is what you are going for, but I think you might actually believe what you are posting.

But it isn't the luxury tax preventing the Warriors from signing another star. It is the cap itself. Curry will be making 40, Klay 35, Dray 18 and Iggy 17.

That is $110 million between 4 players which is right at the projected cap level. They can go over to sign their own players (to a point) but can't sign a free agent beyond the MLE for like 6 million.

It isn't easy to create a superteam anymore. And I'm pretty sure you can't even have more than 1 supermax on any 1 team. Even then, you can't fit more than 2 regular vet max contracts on the books without owning the players bird rights.

So your talk about all the coming superteams is unrealistic. There might be a new one out there, but not multiples and it is highly unlikely anyone can assemble a core to rival the talent GS has this year. Maybe ever.

Where does all this conflict with what I'm saying?... All the teams I have mentioned have (or will be buying with the player's contract) exception rights so that they can go above the salary cap and won't pay tax unless they "hit" the "lux tax" line...

P.S. By the way... What has happened with KD being accepted as "MLE" by the league is LOLABLE... he ain't "mid level" ...is he?

In any case, no need for you to "explain" to me things I know better... All Sixers, Bucks and Clippers will end up better than GSW next season...

 

[tlance]

Where does all this conflict with what I'm saying?... All the teams I have mentioned have (or will be buying with the player's contract) exception rights so that they can go above the salary cap and won't pay tax unless they "hit" the "lux tax" line...

P.S. By the way... What has happened with KD being accepted as "MLE" by the league is LOLABLE... he ain't "mid level" ...is he?

In any case, no need for you to "explain" to me things I know better... All Sixers, Bucks and Clippers will end up better than GSW next season...

No, you don't get it.

Because you presented a hypothetical team with 5 max players as if it was possible.

And the Warriors can offer both Klay and KD full max contracts next season. They would just have to pay a lot of tax. And with the new arena, they can afford it.

The question is whether KD wants to resign. Current guess by most is no.

The Warriors will regress next year assuming they lose KD. But their is no guarantee any of those teams will be better than GS with Curry, Klay and Dray. And it is possible none are. Especially if your Bucks do what you suggest and fail to offer Middleton more than $20 million.

 

[msgkings322]

All Bucks, Sixers and Clippers (at least these) will be better than GSW next season.

If KD and Boogie don't come back and those guys add major pieces, it's possible.

But that's not what you said. You said there will be SEVERAL teams BETTER than THIS WARRIORS team that exists right now. That's silly.

Then you listed the lineup I quoted above. That's plain ridiculous.

 

[tlance]

Where does all this conflict with what I'm saying?... All the teams I have mentioned have (or will be buying with the player's contract) exception rights so that they can go above the salary cap and won't pay tax unless they "hit" the "lux tax" line...

P.S. By the way... What has happened with KD being accepted as "MLE" by the league is LOLABLE... he ain't "mid level" ...is he?

In any case, no need for you to "explain" to me things I know better... All Sixers, Bucks and Clippers will end up better than GSW next season...

And also wrong.

You just proved you don't understand the rules.

You can't go over the cap of $110 to sign a free agent from another team.

You are using the luxury tax number as if it is the salary cap. Does not work like that.

Sixers can go over to resign their guys (Butler, Harris, Redick) but they can't just sign whoever they want up to the luxury tax line. They are under by enough they could work 2 maxes, but only because Simmons is on a rookie deal and Embiid on rookie max, not a full max.

 

[Tai Chi≈Surfing]

I'm not gonna go through 7 pages...but just in case it hasn't been posted yet...although I trust it was..or at least should've been....lol

An update on KD & Boogie...

Durant (strained calf) to miss at least Game 1


Update on Rodney Hood...

Rodney Hood has left knee bone bruise, is questionable for Game 1 vs. Golden State Warriors in Western Conference Finals

 

[msgkings322]

Just saw an item that the Curry parents are going to flip a coin before each game to decide which son's team to root for

Don't they kinda have to root for Seth? Steph's won so much LOL

 

[Robotech]

Just saw an item that the Curry parents are going to flip a coin before each game to decide which son's team to root for

Don't they kinda have to root for Seth? Steph's won so much LOL

Just root for them to both play well, but for the Warriors to win. LOL.

If the Warriors lose, at least it will be an easy choice for me to root for the Blazers in the Finals. I'm guessing that a large majority of Warriors fans would feel the same.

 

[Hoopla Bookie]

WCF GAME 1 vBetting

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[tlance]

Just saw an item that the Curry parents are going to flip a coin before each game to decide which son's team to root for

Don't they kinda have to root for Seth? Steph's won so much LOL

No.

I think they have to root for both

Besides. Steph is far more likely to earn major accolades and actually win a championship.

Pick the chalk Dell.

 

[buckalis]

No, you don't get it.

Because you presented a hypothetical team with 5 max players as if it was possible.

No... that team was just an example of what kind of team would be better than what the GSW now are... Has nothing to with the cap space available... There are more combinations that can be used as an example...

And the Warriors can offer both Klay and KD full max contracts next season. They would just have to pay a lot of tax. And with the new arena, they can afford it.

They cannot afford it... They could perhaps if it was only the lux tax they would have to pay, but not if one adds the severe penalty tax for being into the lux tax on top...

The question is whether KD wants to resign. Current guess by most is no.

That's just "the situation" that the GSW wants to promote... They don't (or cannot) afford to keep him, they'll never say this in public though (for obvious reasons...)

The Warriors will regress next year assuming they lose KD. But their is no guarantee any of those teams will be better than GS with Curry, Klay and Dray. And it is possible none are. Especially if your Bucks do what you suggest and fail to offer Middleton more than $20 million.

The Bucks are planning for the future, the FO has done a tremendous job this season to set the base for a bright future...
I can remember the media inventing "problems" during the previous season related with "the bad contracts", "Jabari Parker leaving", "the Bucks financial situation" etc... Yet the Bucks didn't keep Jabari for even a penny more than his qualification offer, they are with exceptional financial status (especially considering that they are a contending team), they have the best roster depth in the entire league and most important... They have the best locker room relationships in the entire league, were everybody has a team spirit and feels blessed to be part of the team and wants to stay (under a team friendly contract) so that all the above can be retained for the future... It's only Middleton that may demand more than the Bucks are willing to offer him and therefore (unless he does agree on a "team friendly contract", he will have to go (with the blessings and cooperation of the F.O like it happened with Jabari...). Him leaving, won't affect the Bucks performance at all... trust me on this, you'll see... The Bucks will be significantly better than they now are by the trade dead line of 2020...

 

[CitySushi]

Warriors gonna lose KD next year. The following year they’re gonna lose Draymond and Iguodala.

Then the Warriors will have max cap space in 2021 and sign Giannis. Bob Myers already planning ahead

#lightyearsahead

 

[CitySushi]

looking forward to tonight’s game. Dame loves playing in Oakland and he’s gonna he fired up.

Think we will see Andre on Dame and Klay on CJ to start the game. It’ll be important though to stop the role players early and limit their role.

Looney again will be one of the biggest keys to this series. It’s amazing how integral he’s become to this team(this coming from a big Looney supporter). Think we’re gonna also need a big series from one additional bench player.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I really don't see what you find lolable... Can you imagine (for example) a Kemba, Harden, Paul George, Giannis, A. Davis line up? What chances would the Warriors have against it? zero is tops... bellow zero, most probable...

Sixers have Simmons, Butler, Reddick, Harris and Embiid in their roster, what if they add Kemba and A. Davis?

 

[Shanemansj13]

It's one way to look at it... OTOH, one might say that the Bucks have to move further forward next season and this is directly related to money available... All Sixers, Clippers and Nets have the finances to sign not one, but 2 more All-Stars and are highly desirable destinations in a 200+ players up coming free agency that includes better players than Khris... It is extremely possible (I should rather say "very probable") that they'll all end up better than this season's GSW...

Among all the desirable destinations next off season, the Bucks will be the 1st players will target (because they'll be 1st in all odds to win the title), why then they should (just) "retain what the've got" and not progress further?

The difference in cap space between the Nets and Clippers and then the Bucks is a lot. Like I said, the cap space will be used for Middleton but if it isn't they don't have enough to get a star in FA. So then you go your route and sign Mirotic and Lopez to $12M a piece but probably more...you immediate get worse and you can't make any more moves to improve the team other than small moves. Unless they trade Middleton which I realistically don't think will happen...they sign him long-term. I am not sure where you are getting these crazy ideas. Could they put together a package for AD...I mean it is possible but if they go to the Finals I don't see a reason to break up the core of this team.

 

[Shanemansj13]

All Bucks, Sixers and Clippers (at least these) will be better than GSW next season.

What if KD signs another one year in GS? We still have no idea what will happen. The Sixers will most likely get worse (talent wise) they will have to choose between Butler and Harris, keeping only one could improve chemistry but we don't know. We do know their talent won't be as good.
The Clippers as of right now, they aren't close to GS. Even if they sign Kawhi they don't have more talent, but the gap shrinks for sure.
The Bucks, talent wise, they don't have more than GS right now, next year who knows but if they bring back Middleton they will be close to the W's but still not on their level.

You do know GS won 73 games without KD lol