politics thread

[gkekoa]

I give him credit for maintaining the economy in a positive trajectory. That is some what hedged by the fact that he has also increased the deficit and the national debt, two things he promised he would get under control but has not done and shown not intention of doing.

Its great that rich people are making more money and that middle class people are not getting beat over the head with inflation at this time. But most of his other policies are shit and play to no one but his base.

Can you point to a single economic policy Obama used to correct the economy, other than government spending, and likely pressuring the FED to keep near zero interest rates for his entire term?

I agree that part of the economic increase we are experiencing is the deficit spending, something I don’t actually agree in principle.

We are experiencing an increase in wages over the entire spectrum. Now, which policies are actually shit?

 

[Stymietee]

Health insurance deductibles soar, leaving Americans with unaffordable bills

Wait , we have had. 8 plus years of Obamacare and this is what we. Got ?

Did you bother to read the article? Well, in case you missed it, here's the second line. I'll highlight and underline the key part of it.

"In the last 12 years, annual deductibles in job-based health plans have nearly quadrupled and now average more than $1,300."

The increases have nothing to do with Obamacare and everything to do with job based insurance. It points to a need for a nationalized healthcare system. If that means improving Obamacare to the point where it is the healthcare system of this country, so be it!

BTW: I cannot repeat this enough, because there are too many who simply don't understand the calamitous nature of the job related system that we have.

 

[Stymietee]

For those of you who need proof

So, if there's a picture of these people together that means that the subject isn't far right wing? If that's your point, what do you make of this?

In fact forget everything above and answer this question, what makes Louis Farrakhan an extremist? (here's a hint, counter-balance to what was being done to people who looked like him)

 

[Stymietee]

The truthful MSM can’t seem to get ratings , hmmmmmm

?????????, this makes zero sense! Think about it for a moment, If your own evidence is factual, then FOX is the MSM, correct?

 

[Stymietee]

I have another question for everyone. I'll make up a country so let's call it "Homeland." Now as a country "Homeland" has a free press, rule of law, and an independent justice department. Got it?

My question is, what would your reaction be if not only was "Homeland a centuries long friend of this country but there were people in power who fostered mistrust of the free press, ignored the rule of law, and interviewed then hired the head of their justice department because he or she was willing to act as personal legal counsel for that person and not for the people of "Homeland?"

 

[Stymietee]

While most of the country wasn't looking this happened, threatening ten's of million of people with nothing to replace it, as promised.

Trump, GOP states ask appeals court to kill the Affordable ...
PBS
3 days ago · The “Obamacare” opponents hope to persuade the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans to uphold U.S. District Court Judge Reed O’Connor’s ruling late last year striking down the law.

 

[j_y19]

We can only hope. It was a terrible law that should have never been enacted. There is nothing affordable about the ACA. It did very little to actually address the real issue with health care in this country. The underlying costs. Fix the underlying structure first before you throw 12-15M more people onto a broken structure, which is all the ACA did. Typical government solution. If not repealed, the ACA will end up like social security. Out of control and insolvent. Again, a typical government solution.

 

[j_y19]

I give him credit for maintaining the economy in a positive trajectory. That is some what hedged by the fact that he has also increased the deficit and the national debt, two things he promised he would get under control but has not done and shown not intention of doing.

Its great that rich people are making more money and that middle class people are not getting beat over the head with inflation at this time. But most of his other policies are shit and play to no one but his base.

Now these are real concerns and legitimate issues with Trump's economic policies. The debt and deficit are out of control and have to be reigned in or we will be consumed by this debt.

 

[j_y19]

No I know you didn't say you were anti legal immigration.

You CLAIM to be for it. But you don't actually support policies to increase it and make it easier. You don't support us increasing our current legal immigration quotas. You don't support increased resources to process immigrants quickly and securely. You support a president who works to limit legal immigration.

In short - youre full of shit.

ebb, what policies have actually been proposed to make immigration easier? I haven't seen any. All I see is our current law makers complaining about the enforcement of the existing immigration laws, which just really pisses me off. Don't hammer those whose responsibility it is to enforce the laws. They are just doing their job. if the laws are bad, change them. This is why they were elected. To enact laws. Not to do political grandstanding which is al that happens in DC anymore.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

No, we don't agree. He has every right to claim that credit. Just as any other president would also. This is where you are exhibiting the same behavior you chide the trump supporters of. You just happen to see what ever he does as a negative on him solely.

Again no President is responsible for the stock market. This is well known among investors. Next as I said giving Trump full credit for the record highs, while totally ignoring the 8 year run up under the previous President which made those record highs possible, is complete nonsense. You said yourself "he should have ignored it", now you appear to be backtracking from that position by saying he has every right to take full credit. And no other Presidents did not take credit because they were smart enough to know that means they then own the drop. @skinsdad62 claims Obama did it as well but when I asked him to provide a link to show this he was unable or unwilling. Even if there is a random comment it sure didn't match Trump constantly doing the dance. So no other Presidents did not and would not do this.

Finally as I said it was not a week to week low as you had claimed, it was the entire year of 2018 that had substantial losses. To crow about the highs and crawl under the bed when the market tanks are the actions of a coward.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

BS his policies increased it and obama himself said it couldnt happen

I have no idea what this means. Increased what? The economic crisis? You need to do more research, the economy improved dramatically from the point where he took office which again was the worst economic situation since the depression. This is not my opinion, it's fact.

 

[reptec101]

I have another question for everyone. I'll make up a country so let's call it "Homeland." Now as a country "Homeland" has a free press, rule of law, and an independent justice department. Got it?

My question is, what would your reaction be if not only was "Homeland a centuries long friend of this country but there were people in power who fostered mistrust of the free press, ignored the rule of law, and interviewed then hired the head of their justice department because he or she was willing to act as personal legal counsel for that person and not for the people of "Homeland?"

Oh I see where this is going. First, in your scenario I would be outraged if I lived in a country with these things going on.... but wait,, I do... well partly.

Centuries long ally of this country: Not sure why this would be a problem.

People in power who foster mistrust of press: Yea this would suck, but by saying suck I simply mean if these people in power had a right too. Like in our president elect today has. Examples: Washington post blames border patrol for death of little girl before fakes were in. Father praises agents revealed a different story. CNN post pic of empty stadium and claims pic was taken during Trump rally when in fact it was taken hours before. The whole Brian Williams embarrassment. Claims targeting Kavanaugh later retracted. Disgraced Fla election official Snipes was called a republican despite being a democrat. CNN's Trump tower claim later verified false by Lanny Davis.. Gosh, I could go on but it would take all day.

Ignored the rule of law: This would suck in our new Homeland country. I see it happening over in the US and it pisses me off. People of means continually ignore the rule of law on both sides, but sadly, only republicans go to jail because of it. The double standard is alive and well and I would hate to see that happening in Homeland.

Hired his personal BFF for head of Justice Department: This all stems from Barr not giving the democrats the goods in which they all hung their reputations on for 2 plus years. Had he been an adversary such as Eric Holder and bent the truths to condemn an innocent man the democrats would be throwing him a party, but instead they're trying to hold him in contempt because they didn't get the answers they were hoping for.

Ill be honest, living in a world like that would truly suck.... oh wait,,, this was a trick scenario because that's where we live now. Yea,, you got me.

 

[reptec101]

Again no President is responsible for the stock market. This is well known among investors. Next as I said giving Trump full credit for the record highs, while totally ignoring the 8 year run up under the previous President which made those record highs possible, is complete nonsense. You said yourself "he should have ignored it", now you appear to be backtracking from that position by saying he has every right to take full credit. And no other Presidents did not take credit because they were smart enough to know that means they then own the drop. @skinsdad62 claims Obama did it as well but when I asked him to provide a link to show this he was unable or unwilling. Even if there is a random comment it sure didn't match Trump constantly doing the dance. So no other Presidents did not and would not do this.

Finally as I said it was not a week to week low as you had claimed, it was the entire year of 2018 that had substantial losses. To crow about the highs and crawl under the bed when the market tanks are the actions of a coward.

Obama claims ownership of U.S.’s economic recovery as he blasts Trump
Obama even tried to claim Trumps market.

You contradict yourself in your first three sentences. First you say no president has any bearing on the market and in the third you said not giving Obama credit for Trumps market is complete nonsense.

A president does have responsibility in the stock market. Heck, even if a presidents farts the wrong way the markets react. Now i'll agree no president has sole power over the market but his words and actions can turn a positive day into a negative very quickly on Wall Street.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Obama claims ownership of U.S.’s economic recovery as he blasts Trump
Obama even tried to claim Trumps market.

You contradict yourself in your first three sentences. First you say no president has any bearing on the market and in the third you said not giving Obama credit for Trumps market is complete nonsense.

A president does have responsibility in the stock market. Heck, even if a presidents farts the wrong way the markets react. Now i'll agree no president has sole power over the market but his words and actions can turn a positive day into a negative very quickly on Wall Street.

You really need to understand the difference between taking credit for the economy and taking credit for the stock market. I read you article. Twice. I saw not one word about the stock market, I sure didn't see Obama taking any credit for the record highs and and that's what I've been discussing.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

BS his policies increased it and obama himself said it couldnt happen

Wait I think I see what you are saying. You are saying Trump's policies led to a stronger market. While this MAY be true this is again off point. The market set several all time highs under Obama. So the market was already high when he took office, even with the flat 2015. So naturally when you start at 23,000 (or whatever it was) it's easier to get to an all time high than had he took office with the market at 20,000. I think that would be obvious but the Trump crowd just can't acknowledge the obvious.

And again preening that the market records were all on him, then watching him crawl under the bed and duck all the questions for the entire year of 2018 as the market pulled back, are the actions of a coward.

 

[gkekoa]

If the democrats win the WH in 2020, the economy will immediately take a nose dive as investors pull their money out.

 

[gkekoa]

While most of the country wasn't looking this happened, threatening ten's of million of people with nothing to replace it, as promised.

Trump, GOP states ask appeals court to kill the Affordable ...
PBS
3 days ago · The “Obamacare” opponents hope to persuade the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans to uphold U.S. District Court Judge Reed O’Connor’s ruling late last year striking down the law.

There is a replacement...it is called the free market.

 

[reptec101]

Wait I think I see what you are saying. You are saying Trump's policies led to a stronger market. While this MAY be true this is again off point. The market set several all time highs under Obama. So the market was already high when he took office, even with the flat 2015. So naturally when you start at 23,000 (or whatever it was) it's easier to get to an all time high than had he took office with the market at 20,000. I think that would be obvious but the Trump crowd just can't acknowledge the obvious.

And again preening that the market records were all on him, then watching him crawl under the bed and duck all the questions for the entire year of 2018 as the market pulled back, are the actions of a coward.

Dude, the dow closed on November 8th 2016(election day) at 18,332 and on inauguration day january 20th 2017 the dow was at 19,827.

Just saying.

 

[reptec101]

You really need to understand the difference between taking credit for the economy and taking credit for the stock market. I read you article. Twice. I saw not one word about the stock market, I sure didn't see Obama taking any credit for the record highs and and that's what I've been discussing.

Dude,,, cmon,,, the market and the economy go hand in hand. You can't have a complete collapse as we did in the summer of 2008 and during that said collapse have the markets soar to all time highs. The article indicates Obama took credit for the booming job growth as well as the market. Hand in hand. I feel like im sitting in front of congress getting drilled as you shovel fried chicken in your mouth to make a silly argument.

 

[reptec101]

If the democrats win the WH in 2020, the economy will immediately take a nose dive as investors pull their money out.

This is a scary proposition. As was said of Trump if he won the opposite rang true. The market rose 600 points or so. However, if the democrats do win office look for a drop in relation somewhere to that as the dust settles and sinks in. Hope i'm wrong but the vibe I get at this time is that it would be a bad first day.