politics thread

[Darrell Green Fan]

Dude,,, cmon,,, the market and the economy go hand in hand. You can't have a complete collapse as we did in the summer of 2008 and during that said collapse have the markets soar to all time highs. The article indicates Obama took credit for the booming job growth as well as the market. Hand in hand. I feel like im sitting in front of congress getting drilled as you shovel fried chicken in your mouth to make a silly argument.

Again I was critical of Trump taking total credit for the market, something no other President has done for the reasons I have posted, while crawling under the bed when it tanked. You took exception to my post and provided a link to try to dispute this claim that simply did not show Obama doing the same thing. Bragging about the economy is simply not the same thing as bragging about the record highs in the stock market. Not sure why I have to keep explaining this.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

This is a scary proposition. As was said of Trump if he won the opposite rang true. The market rose 600 points or so. However, if the democrats do win office look for a drop in relation somewhere to that as the dust settles and sinks in. Hope i'm wrong but the vibe I get at this time is that it would be a bad first day.

The market is long overdue for another pull back. Even with the dip last year and a flat 2015 this is the longest run up in the market's history. It will pull back again, as it always does, regardless of who is President. While I agree the Trump Bump is very real it's not sustainable, anyone who follows the market knows these returns will simply not continue.

 

[skinsdad62]

Wait I think I see what you are saying. You are saying Trump's policies led to a stronger market. While this MAY be true this is again off point. The market set several all time highs under Obama. So the market was already high when he took office, even with the flat 2015. So naturally when you start at 23,000 (or whatever it was) it's easier to get to an all time high than had he took office with the market at 20,000. I think that would be obvious but the Trump crowd just can't acknowledge the obvious.

And again preening that the market records were all on him, then watching him crawl under the bed and duck all the questions for the entire year of 2018 as the market pulled back, are the actions of a coward.

the economy was stagnant with wages with obama and the market is fine right now

 

[skinsdad62]

Did you bother to read the article? Well, in case you missed it, here's the second line. I'll highlight and underline the key part of it.

"In the last 12 years, annual deductibles in job-based health plans have nearly quadrupled and now average more than $1,300."

The increases have nothing to do with Obamacare and everything to do with job based insurance. It points to a need for a nationalized healthcare system. If that means improving Obamacare to the point where it is the healthcare system of this country, so be it!

BTW: I cannot repeat this enough, because there are too many who simply don't understand the calamitous nature of the job related system that we have.

all under obama care , the system we are under right now

 

[skinsdad62]

So, if there's a picture of these people together that means that the subject isn't far right wing? If that's your point, what do you make of this?

In fact forget everything above and answer this question, what makes Louis Farrakhan an extremist? (here's a hint, counter-balance to what was being done to people who looked like him)

oh please , that is your philosophy, its ok to be a bigot because you were allegedy treated badly ? l

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

the economy was stagnant with wages with obama and the market is fine right now

Why can't you guys stay on point? The post you quoted of mine was regarding the stock market returns and how one President took full credit while ignoring the 8 year run up and how he crawled under the bed and ducked the hard questions when it dropped. I also was addressing how one President took full credit for that where Obama did no such thing despite your claim, certainly not at the level Trump has.

This post of yours fails to address any of those topics which was what I was talking about.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Dude, the dow closed on November 8th 2016(election day) at 18,332 and on inauguration day january 20th 2017 the dow was at 19,827.

Just saying.

Again if the market was at 15,500 instead of 18,332 the record highs Trump took total credit for would not have happened

This is not difficult.

 

[j_y19]

Again no President is responsible for the stock market. This is well known among investors. Next as I said giving Trump full credit for the record highs, while totally ignoring the 8 year run up under the previous President which made those record highs possible, is complete nonsense. You said yourself "he should have ignored it", now you appear to be backtracking from that position by saying he has every right to take full credit. And no other Presidents did not take credit because they were smart enough to know that means they then own the drop. @skinsdad62 claims Obama did it as well but when I asked him to provide a link to show this he was unable or unwilling. Even if there is a random comment it sure didn't match Trump constantly doing the dance. So no other Presidents did not and would not do this.

Finally as I said it was not a week to week low as you had claimed, it was the entire year of 2018 that had substantial losses. To crow about the highs and crawl under the bed when the market tanks are the actions of a coward.

You're just a hater, dude. There is a difference between what all politicians influence and what they take credit for. This happens all the time. ALL THE TIME. On both sides of the aisle. Any, and every, President takes credit anytime the economy is growing, as well as credit for the side benefits of such growth (like a growing stock market). But you just manufacture these types of issues that you lay only on him because of your complete hate for the guy. Who knows, maybe you do it to all Republican presidents. But it is a manufactured issue, for sure.

 

[j_y19]

Dude,,, cmon,,, the market and the economy go hand in hand. You can't have a complete collapse as we did in the summer of 2008 and during that said collapse have the markets soar to all time highs. The article indicates Obama took credit for the booming job growth as well as the market. Hand in hand. I feel like im sitting in front of congress getting drilled as you shovel fried chicken in your mouth to make a silly argument.

It is such a silly argument and the sign that a hater really has no firm issue with which to argue his disdain so he makes shit up.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

You're just a hater, dude. There is a difference between what all politicians influence and what they take credit for. This happens all the time. ALL THE TIME. On both sides of the aisle. Any, and every, President takes credit anytime the economy is growing, as well as credit for the side benefits of such growth (like a growing stock market). But you just manufacture these types of issues that you lay only on him because of your complete hate for the guy. Who knows, maybe you do it to all Republican presidents. But it is a manufactured issue, for sure.

I have made no secrets of my feeling on Trump and I won't apologize for them. Well that and I'm an angry old fucker.

Of course every President takes full credit for things on his watch. Know what no other Presidents has done? Taken full credit for the stock market returns,only to crawl under the bed when it drops. I've explained why they have not done this already, I'm not doing it again. If you can find links of other Presidents doing this in any way at this level, and not just some random reference to IRAs or whatever, I'd like to see it. Until then my point is valid, no other President has behaved this way.

 

[j_y19]

I have made no secrets of my feeling on Trump and I won't apologize for them. Well that and I'm an angry old fucker.

Of course every President takes full credit for things on his watch. Know what no other Presidents has done? Taken full credit for the stock market returns,only to crawl under the bed when it drops. I've explained why they have not done this already, I'm not doing it again. If you can find links of other Presidents doing this in any way at this level, and not just some random reference to IRAs or whatever, I'd like to see it. Until then my point is valid, no other President has behaved this way.

How about you show me one president that took credit for a correction, let alone a drop, in the market? Because apparently you believe that they all do except Trump. bet you can't produce one. But I bet I can produce numerous that crow about their successes in stimulating the economy.

 

[reptec101]

I have made no secrets of my feeling on Trump and I won't apologize for them. Well that and I'm an angry old fucker.

Of course every President takes full credit for things on his watch. Know what no other Presidents has done? Taken full credit for the stock market returns,only to crawl under the bed when it drops. I've explained why they have not done this already, I'm not doing it again. If you can find links of other Presidents doing this in any way at this level, and not just some random reference to IRAs or whatever, I'd like to see it. Until then my point is valid, no other President has behaved this way.

Dude, there are many instances when Obama bragged about his rising market.. I could produce those quotes if you wish, but heres an interesting article that might help you become less of a slurper to Obama.

Obama Leaves A Terrible Legacy To His Successor | Investor's Business Daily

Now for the record im not saying Obama didnt have a rise in market under his term... just saying sometimes facts get in the way. I encourage you to read the article.

 

[j_y19]

Dude, there are many instances when Obama bragged about his rising market.. I could produce those quotes if you wish, but heres an interesting article that might help you become less of a slurper to Obama.

Obama Leaves A Terrible Legacy To His Successor | Investor's Business Daily

Now for the record im not saying Obama didnt have a rise in market under his term... just saying sometimes facts get in the way. I encourage you to read the article.

Yeah, but does he take credit when his policies don't work (like maybe that disaster ACA)? Because apparently DGF say all Presidents do except Trump. Trump just crawls under a rock, according to him, which in itself is reflective of the poster. Trump is a lot of things, but a crawler under a rock guy? I don't think so. I wish he would sometimes...

 

[reptec101]

Yeah, but does he take credit when his policies don't work (like maybe that disaster ACA)? Because apparently DGF say all Presidents do except Trump. Trump just crawls under a rock, according to him, which in itself is reflective of the poster. Trump is a lot of things, but a crawler under a rock guy? I don't think so. I wish he would sometimes...

Lol... I think we all would benefit if he crawled and stayed under anything for awhile.. cept Stormy Daniels that is

DGF is just a hater as you have indicated. Its almost as if hes Jussie Smollett and we’re the two guys he hired to beat him up. Ill give him a break on this subject.. time to move on.

 

[Sharkinva]

Yeah, but does he take credit when his policies don't work (like maybe that disaster ACA)? Because apparently DGF say all Presidents do except Trump. Trump just crawls under a rock, according to him, which in itself is reflective of the poster. Trump is a lot of things, but a crawler under a rock guy? I don't think so. I wish he would sometimes...

What i always find particularly funny is that people believe the ACA was the cause of insurance providers doing what they have been doing and will continue to do for as long as they are in a for profit industry. And by that I mean raising prices and passing any costs possible onto the consumer.

Or do yo guys really think that if not for the ACA the insurance companies wouldnt be raising prices at every possible turn?? The ACA was never about lowering insurance costs, it was about expanding coverage.. which it did. It was also about adding in preventative coverage which it also did.

And the sad part is, people are hoping the ACA gets repealed with no realistic replacement for it.

 

[skinsdad62]

Vanity Fair: Hunter Biden’s $1.5B Bank of China Deal ‘Looming’ as Campaign Scandal

Let’s see how the MSM handles this

 

[skinsdad62]

Hmmmm

 

[skinsdad62]

 

[skinsdad62]

Why can't you guys stay on point? The post you quoted of mine was regarding the stock market returns and how one President took full credit while ignoring the 8 year run up and how he crawled under the bed and ducked the hard questions when it dropped. I also was addressing how one President took full credit for that where Obama did no such thing despite your claim, certainly not at the level Trump has.

This post of yours fails to address any of those topics which was what I was talking about.

Why can’t you see there intertwined and stop cherry picking

 

[skinsdad62]

Democrats Accuse AG Barr of Doing Exactly What Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch Did for Obama

Double standards abound