politics thread

[ehb5]

Party loyalty...would you like to see the democratic votes on the last umpteen thousand bills...they all vote the same way. That is party loyalty.

Am I missing something? Most politicians are partisan hacks.

Doesn't mean you should excuse it from people in this thread.

 

[ehb5]

you have no idea . i value conservatism not party but chase your tale over foolishness .

Then why do you care whether people are rinos or real Republicans?

Can you define what conservatism is to you without naming individual policies?

What are the underlying ideals you hold that lead you to believe Trump is a good representation of conservatism but that somebody like me or a "rino" is not?

 

[ehb5]

its an echo chamber take he parrots from the MSM . i am all for legal immigration .

Ok so I'll ask you directly...

Do you support my plan for increased legal immigration, yes or no?

 

[j_y19]

Kinda like how Trump takes full credit when the market goes up, constantly citing all time highs on his watch (while ignoring the 8 year run up under Obama that made these all time records possible) and then crawling under the bed and refusing to discuss the market when it dips? Kinda like that?

When has it dipped since he has been in office? Surely you are not expecting any President to discuss the daily or weekly fluctuations in the Market, are you? He has presided over one of the best economic times in recent memory. Any President would also crow about that. But you point to him as being different and hold him to a different standard on this. Why?

 

[ehb5]

again more foolishness

Can you actually show why it's foolish or are you just saying that because you don't like what I wrote?

 

[ehb5]

The truthful MSM can’t seem to get ratings , hmmmmmm

Why are you bragging that the your side spends more time in front of the TV listening to whatever the MSM puts out?

So much for you being anti MSM

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

When has it dipped since he has been in office? Surely you are not expecting any President to discuss the daily or weekly fluctuations in the Market, are you? He has presided over one of the best economic times in recent memory. Any President would also crow about that. But you point to him as being different and hold him to a different standard on this. Why?

The market was down across the board in 2018, this is not a day to day or week to week situation. The Dow fell 5.6%. The S&P 500 was down 6.2% and the Nasdaq fell 4%, this was the worst year for market returns in a decade. Where was Trump when asked about it? He ignored the question all year, only to preen the minute it came back.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

And this is why all the other former Presidents were smart enough to not take credit for record highs. Because unlike this idiot they knew when you do that you now own the drop. And make no mistake 2018 was a bad year for the stock market, I thought everyone knew that.

 

[skinsdad62]

Why are you bragging that the your side spends more time in front of the TV listening to whatever the MSM puts out?

So much for you being anti MSM

are you really that foolish ?

 

[skinsdad62]

Can you actually show why it's foolish or are you just saying that because you don't like what I wrote?

if you dont know why the go research

 

[skinsdad62]

Then why do you care whether people are rinos or real Republicans?

Can you define what conservatism is to you without naming individual policies?

What are the underlying ideals you hold that lead you to believe Trump is a good representation of conservatism but that somebody like me or a "rino" is not?

you know what it means , i know what it means . if you cant figure it it do some research on what is meant by that term and why

 

[skinsdad62]

And this is why all the other former Presidents were smart enough to not take credit for record highs. Because unlike this idiot they knew when you do that you now own the drop. And make no mistake 2018 was a bad year for the stock market, I thought everyone knew that.

obama must not have been too smart then because he did the same

 

[ehb5]

are you really that foolish ?

Do you have anything to provide other than this comment on repeat?

Are you anti Fox news?

 

[ehb5]

if you dont know why the go research

Ooh no you misunderstand.

I do know the why.

I was wondering if you were going to be able to provide a coherent counterpoint and it seems the answer is no.

I'll ask you directly again...

If you support legal immigration, why are you against my plan for increased legal immigration?

And why do you support a president and administration who work to limit legal immigration?

If you believe what you claim you do, then you should like my plan more than Trump's.

 

[skinsdad62]

Do you have anything to provide other than this comment on repeat?

Are you anti Fox news?

do you have any other questions that arent of the wash rinse and repeat variety ?

if you have something to counter it , post it if you dont understand it get someone to intepret it for you

its pretty clear to any supposed conservative what it means

 

[ehb5]

you know what it means , i know what it means . if you cant figure it it do some research on what is meant by that term and why

Well I am asking because you don't seem to have a very strong grasp of what terms like liberal, conservative, socialist, etc actually mean.

You don't appear to have any core ideals driving your beliefs aside from, "Republicans good, Democrats evil".

So please... How do you define conservatism personally and why does it fit your ideals?

 

[skinsdad62]

Ooh no you misunderstand.

I do know the why.

I was wondering if you were going to be able to provide a coherent counterpoint and it seems the answer is no.

I'll ask you directly again...

If you support legal immigration, why are you against my plan for increased legal immigration?

And why do you support a president and administration who work to limit legal immigration?

If you believe what you claim you do, then you should like my plan more than Trump's.

perhaps you should look up where i said i was against legal immigration i am not .

i do want people who can help this country , not people who are drains on it

i dont know what your plan is but until the border is secure i dont see what plan would make a difference

 

[ehb5]

do you have any other questions that arent of the wash rinse and repeat variety ?

if you have something to counter it , post it if you dont understand it get someone to intepret it for you

its pretty clear to any supposed conservative what it means

Why can't you just answer simple questions? Is it that you don't actually have any answers?

What is your opinion of Fox news since they are part of the MSM? it's a simple question really.

 

[skinsdad62]

Well I am asking because you don't seem to have a very strong grasp of what terms like liberal, conservative, socialist, etc actually mean.

You don't appear to have any core ideals driving your beliefs aside from, "Republicans good, Democrats evil".

So please... How do you define conservatism personally and why does it fit your ideals?

i have a perfect grasp of it and i have stated my corp beliefs before , just look it up . i dont have time to spin my wheels on your nonsense . believe what you want if that makes you sleep better

 

[reptec101]

Kinda like how Trump takes full credit when the market goes up, constantly citing all time highs on his watch (while ignoring the 8 year run up under Obama that made these all time records possible) and then crawling under the bed and refusing to discuss the market when it dips? Kinda like that?

On his watch, thus far it has been quite impressive. If you take a snapshot of the first two and a half years since winning the election is reads something like this. This is just based on the dow:

Obama: dow on dec 1st 2008 (one week after winning office) 8,400 (roughly)
Obama 2 and a half years in office: dow on rise to 12,800 (roughly)

Note: Obama took office at the very bottom of the housing market plunge in 2008

Trump: dow on dec 1st 2016 (one week after winning office) 19,000 (roughly)
Trump after 2 and a half years (under increased non stop pressure from the left) 26,500 (roughly)

Obama- 4,400 growth
Trump- 6,500 growth

Note: Trump took office on a market high

Listen, ive never said the market didnt fair well under Obama, but he did have the advantage to start his term at the start of a bull market.

Another note: In reality the market will do what it's gonna do in despite of any presidents actions... for the most part.