Tate Martell

[4down20]

I think getting a new coaching staff would be the more applicable "hardship"

So Ohio St has started hiring shitty coaches?

:useful:

 

[4down20]

I don't see a problem with it. If anything, it hopefully keeps schools/coaches more honest to recruits. As I said in another thread, if Mattison & Washington can up and leave Michigan all of a sudden to coach at Ohio State, then why can't a player? It's not like Mattison has to sit out coaching for a year.

The university had to be compensated for the coach to do such a thing, the player transferring provides no compensation.

All are done to protect the university and it's just plain ignorant to link the 2.

Everyone in this thread is what is wrong with this country. Entitled bitches who think everything in the world is just an extension of mommy and daddy's pockets.

 

[gob]

So Ohio St has started hiring shitty coaches?

:useful:

Quotes, dipshit

 

[4down20]

Quotes, dipshit

You said that Ohio St hiring new coaches was a hardship...in the post I quoted, dipshit.

 

[Across The Field]

You should, but hey this is idiot America where everyone is entitled to something.

Yeah, how dare a talented, young kid with a finite amount of time to prove himself to the pros think he's entitled to get to play. And you're wrong. He committed to Urban because he was a fit for his scheme. Urban happened to be coaching at Ohio State. He had no control over Urban retiring or Day getting the job, and Day runs a different scheme and wants a different QB. Literally nobody at all is hurt by Martell getting to play early, give it a rest.

 

[ellupo]

Bullshit. He signed a contract with Ohio St, NOT Urban Meyer.

Period.

Wrong. He was recruited by the coaches under the promise he would be coached by them. That is why the coach matters so much. If that coache leaves the kid can too.

 

[ellupo]

You should, but hey this is idiot America where everyone is entitled to something.

Yes it's called freedom of pursuit of happiness

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

The university had to be compensated for the coach to do such a thing, the player transferring provides no compensation.

All are done to protect the university and it's just plain ignorant to link the 2.

Everyone in this thread is what is wrong with this country. Entitled bitches who think everything in the world is just an extension of mommy and daddy's pockets.

The University did not, at least in therms of Mattison. His contract was up. I believe Washington was on a limited contract with no buy out. Usually with position coaches there's no penalty to break their contract other than losing the remaining balance of said contract. With head coaches, sure -- there's usually a buy out.

 

[4down20]

Yeah, how dare a talented, young kid with a finite amount of time to prove himself to the pros think he's entitled to get to play. And you're wrong. He committed to Urban because he was a fit for his scheme. Urban happened to be coaching at Ohio State. He had no control over Urban retiring or Day getting the job, and Day runs a different scheme and wants a different QB. Literally nobody at all is hurt by Martell getting to play early, give it a rest.

Well it's just the fact of the matter that you sign contracts with schools, not coaches.

Period.

Argue it if you want, but you're just stupid.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Bullshit. He signed a contract with Ohio St, NOT Urban Meyer.

Period.

Technically true, but not the reality. If kids were allowed to sign contracts to coaches as long as they were at the school, my guess is most would over signing with the school.

 

[4down20]

Yes it's called freedom of pursuit of happiness

Which is why he had a choice on signing the contract with the school or not.

You can't just say "oh well I'm not happy, fuck your contract".

 

[4down20]

Technically true, but not the reality. If kids were allowed to sign contracts to coaches as long as they were at the school, my guess is most would over signing with the school.

Its 100% the reality.

If it wasn't the reality, the kids would transfer with the coach when they changed schools.

 

[Wamu]

Bullshit. He signed a contract with Ohio St, NOT Urban Meyer.

Period.

Let that hate flow right though you. I think it's funny. Martell isn't the first college football player (or basketball player) to leave a program after a coaching change.

Period.

 

[4down20]

The University did not, at least in therms of Mattison. His contract was up. I believe Washington was on a limited contract with no buy out. Usually with position coaches there's no penalty to break their contract other than losing the remaining balance of said contract. With head coaches, sure -- there's usually a buy out.

The university WAS compensated because the contract was fulfilled.

Geez you guys are fucking stupid.

 

[4down20]

Let that hate flow right though you. I think it's funny. Martell isn't the first college football player (or basketball player) to leave a program after a coaching change.

Period.

What hate? I don't even know who this kid is and has nothing to do with him. It's about the topic in general.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Its 100% the reality.

If it wasn't the reality, the kids would transfer with the coach when they changed schools.

They would if the NCAA didn't pointlessly limit them out a year (and sometimes still do). The reality is, the NCAA is in position to screw over players, not coaches. Big name coaches hold all the negotiating power.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

The university WAS compensated because the contract was fulfilled.

Geez you guys are fucking stupid.

No it wasn't. The contract was broken in the case of Washington. There was just no punishment written in for breaking the contract.

The unfair reality is that coaches get to negotiate those things. Players do not.

 

[Wamu]

What hate? I don't even know who this kid is and has nothing to do with him. It's about the topic in general.

Oh this is funny stuff right here. So that comment of yours that I quoted (# 39) where you said- he signed a contract w/ Ohio State, NOT Urban Meyer. If your comment had nothing to do w/ Martell (as you're claiming) what exactly are you talking about?

 

[4down20]

Oh this is funny stuff right here. So that comment of yours that I quoted (# 39) where you said- he signed a contract w/ Ohio State, NOT Urban Meyer. If your comment had nothing to do w/ Martell (as you're claiming) what exactly are you talking about?

You serious?

All players sign with the school, not the coaches. Tua didn't sign with Saban either, etc.

Why the fuck would I give a shit about this particular case individually anyway?

 

[4down20]

No it wasn't. The contract was broken in the case of Washington. There was just no punishment written in for breaking the contract.

The unfair reality is that coaches get to negotiate those things. Players do not.

So the contract was fulfilled. That's how it works in those kinds of contracts, he just won't keep getting paid. Never mind you're talking about a fucking position coach.

Saban has no buyout, can leave tomorrow and do whatever he wants.

And the notion that anything is unfair to these kids is just plain bullshit. But as I said earlier, it's damn near impossible to try and talk sense into people who think every establishment in the world is just another extension of mommy and daddy's pockets for adults. That school just spent 6 figures over the past year feeding, training and educating that person? According to people like you - doesn't matter and why? Because some position coach left? Fuck you and your ignorance.