2018-2019 NBA Regular Season Thread

[trojanfan12]

the Warriors would be receiving players. I got that from reddit, but i believe that it basically operates as if you are over the tax apron you cannot engage in sign and trades. I gotta say, sign and trades basically never happen anymore so its not something i know a lot about. I reall cant remember the last sign and trade i saw inthe new CBA.

Oh. I thought the money just basically had to match or be within a certain amount (which it would).

But maybe that changed or I am confusing a couple of different rules?

 

[Mecca]

sign and trades pretty much never happen nowadays. If you are over the cap, or the apron, i dont think you are even allowed to do a sign and trade. I know the Warriors cant execute a sign and trade

Sounds Like the team receiving the player getting signed and traded has to be below the apron.

• The team receiving the player cannot be above the "Apron" (see question number 20) at the conclusion of the trade1, 2. A team above the Apron can receive a player in a sign-and-trade if the trade reduces the team's payroll and the team finishes the trade below the Apron.

NBA Salary Cap FAQ

 

[trojanfan12]

It's funny listening to sportstalk radio out here right now. A show I'm listening to right now...one guys is panicking and wants the Lakers to trade Lebron.

The other guy is saying "Calm down, it was a tough season derailed by injuries and drama. You can't just pull the plug after 1 injury riddled season."

 

[WiggyRuss]

Oh. I thought the money just basically had to match or be within a certain amount (which it would).

But maybe that changed or I am confusing a couple of different rules?

i think its basically if you are over the tax apron you cant do sign and trades. Im prety sure about that but not 100% sure.

lets say despite what i think it can be done- the deal has to be at least 3 years, and it cant be at the GSW rate, the Bird Rights rate, it has to be at the free agent rate, which is a detriment for Durant- the fact that he gets the lesser contract and has to lock himself in for at least 3 years. That and both LeBro nand Durant would have to agree to the trade- LeBron since he has a no trade, and durant since he would acutally have to sign.

not only that, but to get durant to sign you would have to guarantee another big time guy is coming ---

thats a LOt of moving pieces for Magic and Pelinka who seem to have to have no no shoes on and their pants down to count to 21.

 

[WiggyRuss]

It's funny listening to sportstalk radio out here right now. A show I'm listening to right now...one guys is panicking and wants the Lakers to trade Lebron.

The other guy is saying "Calm down, it was a tough season derailed by injuries and drama. You can't just pull the plug after 1 injury riddled season."

i would be less worried if LeBron was going to be 25 next year and not 35 and got hurt and looked fat at times.

 

[Mecca]

i dunno maybe because JAbari Parkers knees are made of scotch tape?

How Manu injury games did he miss this year?

Pretty sure he was almost exclusively DNP- Fucking slug on defense.

Again, it worked for the Bucks.

So, nobody mentions it.

 

[trojanfan12]

i think its basically if you are over the tax apron you cant do sign and trades. Im prety sure about that but not 100% sure.

lets say despite what i think it can be done- the deal has to be at least 3 years, and it cant be at the GSW rate, the Bird Rights rate, it has to be at the free agent rate, which is a detriment for Durant- the fact that he gets the lesser contract and has to lock himself in for at least 3 years. That and both LeBro nand Durant would have to agree to the trade- LeBron since he has a no trade, and durant since he would acutally have to sign.

not only that, but to get durant to sign you would have to guarantee another big time guy is coming ---

thats a LOt of moving pieces for Magic and Pelinka who seem to have to have no no shoes on and their pants down to count to 21.

Actually, I don't think Lebron has a no trade clause.

As for KD and needing another star to get him, if Lebron is really the reason that some of these guys don't want to go to the Lakers, then him being gone and KD replacing him would make the Lakers more attractive.

 

[Mecca]

Oh. I thought the money just basically had to match or be within a certain amount (which it would).

But maybe that changed or I am confusing a couple of different rules?

They tweaked the rules to make it harder.

But, in this hypothetical, which is all it is, the Lakers would need to be below the apron, not the Warriors.

There are a shitload of other conditions as well.


To qualify for a sign-and-trade, all of the following must be true:

• The player must re-sign with his prior team -- a team cannot include another team's free agent in a sign-and-trade.
• The player must finish the preceding season with that team (deals are no longer allowed that sign-and-trade players who are out of the league, such as the sign-and-trade that sent Keith Van Horn from Dallas to New Jersey as part of the Jason Kidd trade in 2008).
• The player cannot be a restricted free agent who has signed an offer sheet with another team (see question number 42).
• The team receiving the player cannot be above the "Apron" (see question number 20) at the conclusion of the trade1, 2. A team above the Apron can receive a player in a sign-and-trade if the trade reduces the team's payroll and the team finishes the trade below the Apron.
• The team cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade if they have used the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see question number 25) that season.1
• The trade must be completed prior to the first game of the regular season (sign-and-trades are not allowed once the season begins).
• The player cannot be signed using the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, or any exception that cannot be used to offer a three-year contract (see question number 25).

 

[trojanfan12]

i would be less worried if LeBron was going to be 25 next year and not 35 and got hurt and looked fat at times.

Me too.

He's looked heavy since he got back from the injury. I think that has more to do with him not really knowing how to deal with the injury since he's never really had to deal with one before.

He was bound to have an injury at some point in his career. It's actually pretty amazing that he's been in the league this many years and never had one.

Hopefully, it was just the odds catching up to him rather than something that's going to be a problem. At his age, it's hard to know.

 

[Mecca]

Actually, I don't think Lebron has a no trade clause.

As for KD and needing another star to get him, if Lebron is really the reason that some of these guys don't want to go to the Lakers, then him being gone and KD replacing him would make the Lakers more attractive.

I think it's funny that JVG proposed this idea right after we talked about it...lol

 

[trojanfan12]

They tweaked the rules to make it harder.

But, in this hypothetical, which is all it is, the Lakers would need to be below the apron, not the Warriors.

There are a shitload of other conditions as well.


To qualify for a sign-and-trade, all of the following must be true:

• The player must re-sign with his prior team -- a team cannot include another team's free agent in a sign-and-trade.
• The player must finish the preceding season with that team (deals are no longer allowed that sign-and-trade players who are out of the league, such as the sign-and-trade that sent Keith Van Horn from Dallas to New Jersey as part of the Jason Kidd trade in 2008).
• The player cannot be a restricted free agent who has signed an offer sheet with another team (see question number 42).
• The team receiving the player cannot be above the "Apron" (see question number 20) at the conclusion of the trade1, 2. A team above the Apron can receive a player in a sign-and-trade if the trade reduces the team's payroll and the team finishes the trade below the Apron.
• The team cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade if they have used the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see question number 25) that season.1
• The trade must be completed prior to the first game of the regular season (sign-and-trades are not allowed once the season begins).
• The player cannot be signed using the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, or any exception that cannot be used to offer a three-year contract (see question number 25).

Thanks. Pretty sure the Lakers are below the apron. Don't really know if any of the rest of those conditions changes things.

Looks like a lot of moving parts though.

 

[trojanfan12]

I think it's funny that JVG proposed this idea right after we talked about it...lol

Obviously he reads tHoop and knows who the 2 smartest posters are.

 

[dtgold88]

No state income tax either. And top shelf strip clubs. It is a mystery.

Can't say I've followed them that closely.....were there times they had enough for max players and missed out on ones they went after? I do recall Jordan.

 

[Mecca]

i dont htink you can do sign and trdes if you are over the cap.

If the info in this article is accurate, they totally can.

Look, this would never happen.

Ever.

But, if this is accurate, it is very possible under the current CBA.

The Warriors will enter the July 1 free agency period with $89.30 million in payroll to seven players, which puts them $42.7 million below the projected $132 million luxury tax threshold.

With or without Durant, the Warriors are expected to quickly re-sign Klay Thompson to a maximum deal, similar to how they maxed out Stephen Curry on the eve of his free agency in 2017.

Thompson getting a projected $32.7 million cap hit would leave the Warriors $10 million below the tax threshold, giving them enough space to utilize the entire non-taxpayer mid-level exception (NT-MLE) this offseason and sign a forward to replace Durant. The NT-MLE is projected to be $9.25 million for 2019-20.

Four small forwards the Warriors could sign for the non-taxpayer mid-level exception if Kevin Durant departs

 

[dtgold88]

Depends. @Mecca suggested that if KD really wants to leave the Warriors, they may be able to do a sign and trade that would bring them Lebron. The Lakers would probably need to include this years pick and maybe at least 1 more.

Lebron being gone might make the Lakers the more interesting to KD and KD might make them more interesting to top FA's.

I would be surprised if the current studs on GS would want Lebron if KD was going.

 

[Wamu]

If the info in this article is accurate, they totally can.

Look, this would never happen.

Ever.

But, if this is accurate, it is very possible under the current CBA.

The Warriors will enter the July 1 free agency period with $89.30 million in payroll to seven players, which puts them $42.7 million below the projected $132 million luxury tax threshold.

With or without Durant, the Warriors are expected to quickly re-sign Klay Thompson to a maximum deal, similar to how they maxed out Stephen Curry on the eve of his free agency in 2017.

Thompson getting a projected $32.7 million cap hit would leave the Warriors $10 million below the tax threshold, giving them enough space to utilize the entire non-taxpayer mid-level exception (NT-MLE) this offseason and sign a forward to replace Durant. The NT-MLE is projected to be $9.25 million for 2019-20.

Four small forwards the Warriors could sign for the non-taxpayer mid-level exception if Kevin Durant departs

It's bad enough it's Monday. But posting this news about how much loot G.S. has to spend just made a bad day even worse. Thanks Mecca!

 

[dtgold88]

This trade deadline or last?

Last deadline is easy.

Because they would have kept him had they not landed LeBron.

We are harping on this deal because the Lakers Season has been a shit show.

BUT, this situation isn't unique to them.

Pistons did it with KCP and Monroe.

Bucks just did it with Parker.

Know why we aren't discussing the Bucks giving up on a #2 pick?

Because it worked out for Milwaukee and Jabari is a disaster.

Not really. The reason given not to keep him was to make room on the cap. OK, fine, though I disagree. Even if you believe that why not deal him at the last deadline if you know the plan is not to keep him?

Should add Randall far from a disaster and already looked like Parker might be.

 

[Mecca]

LOL @ "Slopez"

Say what you want...and granted he now has some better players around him, but that dude has helped turn the Bucks into a legit power.

Totally.

I also think he would have fit well with LeBron.

I said from the beginning that Lance would be a disaster.

I wasn't totally right.

But, I wasn't totally wrong either....lol

I was worried about the Bucks because 4 of their 5 starters are gonna be free agents.

But, they have to keep the band together.

 

[Mecca]

Not really. The reason given not to keep him was to make room on the cap. OK, fine, though I disagree. Even if you believe that why not deal him at the last deadline if you know the plan is not to keep him?

Should add Randall far from a disaster and already looked like Parker might be.

Because they would have paid him had LeBron not signed.

 

[dtgold88]

Agree.

They had a shot to get Lebron and another top FA, while still keeping most of the kids. You take that shot.....Every. Single. Time.

Funny thing is, a lot of the Lakers fans who are bitching now and people who are criticizing them now, would have been doing just as much or more bitching and criticizing if they had just said..."Yeah, we're not going after Lebron or anybody else, we're sticking with the kids".

Ok, but you could have kept the kids, signed Lebron and kept Randall.....or at least dealt Randall if you knew you were letting him walk.