AD will not sign extension and has requested a trade.

[wildturkey]

I still say the only way he gets traded to the Lakers is if AD says "Go ahead and trade for me but I'm signing with the Lakers in 2020 no matter what". That's the only thing that will depress his trade value enough to get the Lakers back in it. Boston can make a better deal. Philly can make a better deal. There are other teams as well. The Lakers best offer is every single one of their young talent (which they better fucking not hold back on) and that's honestly not all that impressive right now

 

[Gman]

Those picks may not even happen this year. Grizzlies pick currently would be deferred to next year, since they 6th worst (top 8 protected). Clippers pick is lottery protected, and they have fallen to the 8th seed, 2 games ahead of 9th (Lakers). They could only have their own pick (currently 24th) and the Kings pick (currently 13th, one slot ahead of the Lakers' pick.

For an obviously rebuilding team, I'm not sure these are big concerns. These are still valuable draft picks... and it's still much better on this front than what L.A. could offer.

It's not "possibility of Tatum being included" either. If the Pelicans wait until the summer to include the Celtics, it's directly for Tatum.

Perhaps.

I was mostly just trying to point out that the C's can offer a better package of players than L.A. even WITHOUT mention the name Tatum.

So... Boston can offer better picks, players, and it's not even a remote debate if we go to Tatum.

 

[trojanfan12]

This isn't my understanding... I haven't heard it would be that complicated in the off-season... but, I admit, I'm no expert and could be wrong too.

Yeah, it's something I heard or read. I don't honestly know if it's true. I think it may have been on Dan Patrick this morning. But I was half listening/half working. lol

 

[flyerhawk]

Those draft picks ARE a big advantage over a team like the Lakers... whether you like it or not.

A rebuilding team loves decent draft picks. The fact that they aren't likely to be top 3 means little if we're comparing against the Lakers... because it's still worlds better than what L.A. can offer.

And that's just talking the draft picks. You leave out Robert Williams III as a decent trade chip... throw him in with Brown and Smart and we're talking 'better than L.A.' again.

And that's before we even mention the possibility of Tatum being included.

Tatum is the trump card the Celtics have.

The Lakers are talked about a lot because they are the Lakers but they don't have the same assets that hour teams have.

 

[shopson67]

Much of Boston's trade ammo is tied up in this coming draft, currently the #6, #13, and #24 picks in what is considered a top heavy draft. Maybe Reddish is still available at 6? Are those picks really worth enough if Boston starts pulling back young players? New Orleans is going to want Tatum, Brown, and Ojeleye. Theis, Rozier, and Morris are free agents and can't S&T as part of a package deal. Is New Orleans going to want $30M of old Al Horford, or $67M of Hayward over two years? Doubtful.

The so-called advantage of the Celtics if this continues to the new league year is hazy at best IMO.

That value is even overstated, as the Celtics won't get that Memphis pick if it stays top 8. They are at risk of losing the #18 (which I missed here) as the Clippers are only 2 games ahead of the Lakers for the 8 seed (otherwise that pick goes to 2020 or beyond as well). If Boston hedges on including Tatum, there is no deal. There is no easy salary to add to the young kids and picks either, unless the Pels will take Smart for 3 years.

 

[flyerhawk]

If Boston is willing to included Tatum, and I would guess that they will be considering their depth at wing, there isn't going to be another trade package out there that can beat Boston's.

The only question I have is whether or not Boston will say no to including Tatum.

If the Celtics are willing to include Tatum then I doubt there are many teams that compete with them in a trade.

 

[OutlawImmortal]

Give them everyone.

Kuz, Ingram, Ball, Zubac and picks.

You get Davis and have room for another max guy.

Seems pretty simple.

Lonzo and Ingram make the most.

They have to go.

Always the possibility of using a 3rd team to help out. Plenty of teams trying to rebuild.

 

[shopson67]

I was mostly just trying to point out that the C's can offer a better package of players than L.A. even WITHOUT mention the name Tatum.

So... Boston can offer better picks, players, and it's not even a remote debate if we go to Tatum.

Under your green-shaded glasses, of course. I disagree completely. KCP is the much better filler as an expiring contract, Kings and Lakers draft picks are one apart currently (Boston unlikely to get Clippers or Grizz picks if current momentum continues), and you think Brown, Ojeleye and Robinson have more value than Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma, and Zubac? Williams is getting 9 min/game. Ojeleye is getting 11. Kuzma is not far from Tatum in terms of production. Brown has regressed a bit this year as well.

 

[dtgold88]

Those draft picks ARE a big advantage over a team like the Lakers... whether you like it or not.

A rebuilding team loves decent draft picks. The fact that they aren't likely to be top 3 means little if we're comparing against the Lakers... because it's still worlds better than what L.A. can offer.

And that's just talking the draft picks. You leave out Robert Williams III as a decent trade chip... throw him in with Brown and Smart and we're talking 'better than L.A.' again.

And that's before we even mention the possibility of Tatum being included.

Not sure I'm buying the Williams hype but agree the Cs can certainly offer more if they want to go all out for AD.

 

[flyerhawk]

They would have to make the picks for the Pelicans then trade the rights to them (before signing them) once the new season starts.

Isn't that true for every team?

 

[flyerhawk]

Under your green-shaded glasses, of course. I disagree completely. KCP is the much better filler as an expiring contract, Kings and Lakers draft picks are one apart currently (Boston unlikely to get Clippers or Grizz picks if current momentum continues), and you think Brown, Ojeleye and Robinson have more value than Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma, and Zubac? Williams is getting 9 min/game. Ojeleye is getting 11. Kuzma is not far from Tatum in terms of production. Brown has regressed a bit this year as well.

I dislike both teams but you aren't going to find many people that think that Kuzma and Tatum are even in the same zipcode trade value wise.

If the Celtics aren't willing to throw Tatum into the trade, then I think that there are a bunch of teams that could jump into the mix.

 

[Gman]

Under your green-shaded glasses, of course.

The issue of bias is a double edged sword for you, of course.

I disagree completely. KCP is the much better filler as an expiring contract, Kings and Lakers draft picks are one apart currently (Boston unlikely to get Clippers or Grizz picks if current momentum continues), and you think Brown, Ojeleye and Robinson have more value than Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma, and Zubac? Williams is getting 9 min/game. Ojeleye is getting 11. Kuzma is not far from Tatum in terms of production. Brown has regressed a bit this year as well.

You leave out Smart again. Smart's attitude and reasonable contract would be perfect on a rebuilding team.

That being said... yes, I absolutely believe a package of Brown, Smart, Williams and the C's picks is better than anything LAL can offer. Lonzo is arguably a net negative, and Zubac is the type of player the modern NBA is leaving in the dust. And again... all this is before the name Tatum enters the convo.

Folks can decide for themselves which one of us is deluded by bias.

 

[dtgold88]

Under your green-shaded glasses, of course. I disagree completely. KCP is the much better filler as an expiring contract, Kings and Lakers draft picks are one apart currently (Boston unlikely to get Clippers or Grizz picks if current momentum continues), and you think Brown, Ojeleye and Robinson have more value than Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma, and Zubac? Williams is getting 9 min/game. Ojeleye is getting 11. Kuzma is not far from Tatum in terms of production. Brown has regressed a bit this year as well.

Initial thought was Cs could offer far more if they'd include Tatum, but you make good points. I do think Tatum definitely better than Kuzma, but Ball and Ingram might be better than other Cs players they could/would offer.

edit - though have to agree with Gman's point really no reason NO would want Ball (a net negative).

 

[Gman]

Not sure I'm buying the Williams hype but agree the Cs can certainly offer more if they want to go all out for AD.

Not trying to hype him up unreasonably... just entering Williams III name into the convo as a decent trade chip who has good potential as a modern, athletic 5 in the mold of Clint Capela.

 

[dtgold88]

Not trying to hype him up unreasonably... just entering Williams III name into the convo as a decent trade chip who has good potential as a modern, athletic 5 in the mold of Clint Capela.

Fair enough, and agreed with your point about Ball. Sure, he might be better than Celtic options after Tatum, but why would NO need him?

 

[CitySushi]

Knicks gotta go all out for AD in a trade. Give up Porzingas and Knox if they have to. Then they target Durant or Kyrie to pair with him. Tons of second tier players also available to get too.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

New Orleans want Kyle Kuzma, Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram and Ivica Zubac for Anthony Davis. I would do this trade even though it would leave the Lakers short handed for the rest of this year. Next year with Anthony Davis in tow, the Lakers Salary going into free agency would end up being around 75 million instead of 67 and they would have two max contract players

 

[bksballer89]

 

[bksballer89]

Saw these trade ideas on BR

1)New Orleans Pelicans Receive: Wendell Carter Jr., Chandler Hutchison, Jabari Parker, 2019 first-round pick (unprotected), 2020 second-round pick (from Memphis, via Chicago), 2021 first-round pick (top-five protection)

Chicago Bulls Receive: Ian Clark (must consent to trade), Anthony Davis, Tim Frazier

2)New Orleans Pelicans Receive: Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Tobias Harris, Jerome Robinson, Milos Teodosic, 2019 second-round pick, 2021 first-round pick (unprotected and contingent upon obligation to Boston)

Los Angeles Clippers Receive: Ian Clark (must consent to trade), Anthony Davis, Tim Frazier, Frank Jackson

3)New Orleans Pelicans Receive: Lonzo Ball, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Brandon Ingram, Kyle Kuzma, Ivica Zubac, 2019 first-round pick (unprotected)

Los Angeles Lakers Receive: Anthony Davis, Tim Frazier, Wesley Johnson

4)New Orleans Pelicans Receive: Tim Hardaway Jr., Kevin Knox, Frank Ntilikina, Mitchell Robinson, 2019 first-round pick (unprotected), 2020 second-round pick (from Charlotte, via New York), 2021 first-round pick (top-one protection)

New York Knicks Receive: Anthony Davis, Tim Frazier, Wesley Johnson

5) New Orleans Pelicans Receive: DeMar DeRozan, Bryn Forbes, Lonnie Walker, 2019 first-round pick (unprotected), 2019 first-round pick (from Toronto, via San Antonio)

San Antonio Spurs Receive: Anthony Davis, Tim Frazier, Wesley Johnson

6)New Orleans Pelicans Receive: OG Aunoby, Pascal Siakam, Jonas Valanciunas, Delon Wright, 2021 first-round pick (top-three protection)

Toronto Raptors Receive: Anthony Davis, Darius Miller

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[CitySushi]

Step 1: Trade Lebron for Anthony Davis
Step 2: Keep Luke Walton
Step 3: Trade Brandon Ingram and KCP to the 76ers for Jimmy Butler
Step 4: Sign Kawhi in the off-season
Step 5: ?????
Step 6: Lose to Warriors again