So let's legitimately talk UCF

[carson]

The argument works for P5 teams, not G5 teams. Funny double standard we have in college football. Everybody sucks Bama's dick because they lay 50-60 on shit teams but the minute we only beat a conference title contender by 1 point, "you play shit teams! Schedule better!"

It's laughable at this point.

UCF's Achilles heel is, in fact, the American Athletic Conference. It's an extremely random conference that was rushed to grow after the Big East dissolved in CFB.

BUT....

UCF and Cincy applied to join the Big 12. The Big 12 decided they would not expand. Applying to join the Big 12 is clearly an attempt by UCF to schedule better opponents, forever.

 

[WizardHawk]

Yeah I don't think they do ( as stated in the OP) but I believe the 4 most deserving teams should get in . There are people here who don't believe the 4 most deserving should get in. Many here believe it should he the 4 best and if that's the case then you could certainly make a vakud argument for UCF if a few more upsets occur

WSU has a much better chance if they win out, and it would TAKE them winning out to get there. That's despite everyone understanding they got robbed by the entirely inept Pac12 refs in their one 'loss'.

The system is designed to pick the best 4 teams and by design it also is meant to punish crap schedules.

I gave the history on this several times. The BCS was formed in part because of the Miami/UW split title (and another one that came later, after that seed sparked major debate) and the outrage of the '84 BYU "Championship" given out to a team without a single top 25 win on their entire season, even bowl game. It's built in to prevent that. Don't you get that? We had that happen already once and they decided NOT EVER AGAIN. No, it doesn't mean a mid major can't win it, but you bet your ass they had better do more than skate by on bullshit schedules to get there.

 

[carson]

Nothing will change the fact UCF scheduled like shit ooc. Like I said though, be glad Pitt was better than normal.

Cause Notre Dame's out of conference schedule is always so grueling.

Wait...

 

[NU_FTW]

But that would be admitting that a G5 team could complete with the P5 powerhouses and that's just not allowed on here.

Because it wouldnt happen and there are plenty of examples to support this

 

[NU_FTW]

UCF's Achilles heel is, in fact, the American Athletic Conference. It's an extremely random conference that was rushed to grow after the Big East dissolved in CFB.

BUT....

UCF and Cincy applied to join the Big 12. The Big 12 decided they would not expand. Applying to join the Big 12 is clearly an attempt by UCF to schedule better opponents, forever.

The B12 didnt "decide" to not expand they were literally PAID to not expand, fyi

 

[carson]

They are OBVIOUSLY not, if it was OBVIOUS this wouldnt be a conversation with you and terry in the minority. I never said they would be a bottom feeder i said middle of the pack a PURDUE/NORTHWESTERN/WISCONSIN/ OKIE LITE type team.........

They would be better than middle of the pack. Recruiting would come much easier if they were a big 12 or AAC team. They have some of the best athletes in the country coming up right in their back yard.

 

[Yo Tee]

UCF's Achilles heel is, in fact, the American Athletic Conference. It's an extremely random conference that was rushed to grow after the Big East dissolved in CFB.

BUT....

UCF and Cincy applied to join the Big 12. The Big 12 decided they would not expand. Applying to join the Big 12 is clearly an attempt by UCF to schedule better opponents, forever.

Exactly. Our conference schedule is very hit or miss. It also doesn't help that the last two years, our P5 game got cancelled due to a Hurricane and we never rescheduled it.

 

[NU_FTW]

UCF's Achilles heel is, in fact, the American Athletic Conference. It's an extremely random conference that was rushed to grow after the Big East dissolved in CFB.

BUT....

UCF and Cincy applied to join the Big 12. The Big 12 decided they would not expand. Applying to join the Big 12 is clearly an attempt by UCF to schedule better opponents, forever.

a better attempt to schedule better opponents would be A) rescheduling p5's B) scheduling P5's with winning records over a even 5 year period!!

 

[Cafe_Puro]

Noone on this forum has said that UCF is a top 4 team, ESPECIALLY not a UCF fan. Do all these arguments over people saying UCF is a top 4 team are just people starting shit over things that were never said.

do i really need to quote the OP? I mean i am under the impression you are just deflecting much. After all it wasnt like i addressed you or anyone. However, the OP asked a question regarding giving ucf a shot. Naturally they would have to be considered one of the top 4
. are you with me so far? If so i shouldnt have to explain why i would talk about how or why ucf fans would think they are top 4..

 

[rmilia1]

I posted this in another thread ( which actually was the impetus for this thread ) but let's use a hypothetical

Bama loses to UGA and finishes with a SoS in the mid 60s.

Michigan wins out and finishes with an SOS in the mid 20s.

Every person here knows there would be people here ( and in the CFB world ) advocating for Bama based on eye test

So how is that different from

ND wins out and finishes with a mid 70s SoS

UCF wins out and finishes with a mid 110s SoS

Is the difference between 25 and 65 actually less than 75 and 115? It very well could be . I'm simply not sure .

 

[NU_FTW]

They would be better than middle of the pack. Recruiting would come much easier if they were a big 12 or AAC team. They have some of the best athletes in the country coming up right in their back yard.

What data point indicates they could possibly be better than middle of the pack??? they cant play defense, they would best fit the b12 and would be at best 4-5 in the b12

 

[carson]

The B12 didnt "decide" to not expand they were literally PAID to not expand, fyi

FYI - They decided not to expand because new TV deals would've meant less money for their current schools.

Is that what you meant?

 

[NU_FTW]

I posted this in another thread ( which actually was the impetus for this thread ) but let's use a hypothetical

Bama loses to UGA and finishes with a SoS in the mid 60s.

Michigan wins out and finishes with an SOS in the mid 20s.

Every person here knows there would be people here ( and in the CFB world ) advocating for Bama based on eye test

So how is that different from

ND wins out and finishes with a mid 70s SoS

UCF wins out and finishes with a mid 110s SoS

Is the difference between 25 and 65 actually less than 75 and 115? It very well could be . I'm simply not sure .

CFP committee was designed to overrule "sos" and other metrics for a reason. UCF doesnt get in no matter what

 

[NU_FTW]

FYI - They decided not to expand because new TV deals would've meant less money for their current schools.

Is that what you meant?

No the NEW TV deal literally said they cannot expand.... that was part of the deal!! There was more added to the deal to make it happen after it stalled

 

[carson]

What data point indicates they could possibly be better than middle of the pack??? they cant play defense, they would best fit the b12 and would be at best 4-5 in the b12

Because they're in Central Florida. Do you even follow recruiting?

 

[Yo Tee]

Because it wouldnt happen and there are plenty of examples to support this

Have they gone undefeated two years in a row?

 

[rmilia1]

WSU has a much better chance if they win out, and it would TAKE them winning out to get there. That's despite everyone understanding they got robbed by the entirely inept Pac12 refs in their one 'loss'.

The system is designed to pick the best 4 teams and by design it also is meant to punish crap schedules.

I gave the history on this several times. The BCS was formed in part because of the Miami/UW split title (and another one that came later, after that seed sparked major debate) and the outrage of the '84 BYU "Championship" given out to a team without a single top 25 win on their entire season, even bowl game. It's built in to prevent that. Don't you get that? We had that happen already once and they decided NOT EVER AGAIN. No, it doesn't mean a mid major can't win it, but you bet your ass they had better do more than skate by on bullshit schedules to get there.

I get all that and am not debating it . I'm asking if you think it's possible a team could play a sub 100 SoS yet still actually be one of the 4 best teams

 

[carson]

No the NEW TV deal literally said they cannot expand.... that was part of the deal!!

And who the fuck do you think wanted it written like that!?

 

[rmilia1]

CFP committee was designed to overrule "sos" and other metrics for a reason. UCF doesnt get in no matter what

I agree

 

[NU_FTW]

Because they're in Central Florida. Do you even follow recruiting?

and they get the 60th best recruiting class..... average so what....