Four QB's in the top 10?

[ehb5]

jackson isnt more accurate

I don't see how that could be the case at all.

 

[ehb5]

jackson doesnt fit our scheme , i would take rudolph over him

He fits it more than Allen.

 

[SteelersPride]

I don't see how that could be the case at all.

exactly, jackson is more accurate, against better competition, the numbers say so

 

[ehb5]

Josh Allen's accuracy at Wyoming was 56.3% in 27 games.

Lamar Jackson's accuracy at Louisville was 57.0% in 38 games.

I read where Wyoming pass catchers dropped a lotta catchable balls, but Allen was also inaccurate far too much as well. I also read Jackson was the most accurate QB at a QB workout last year., but................

From those numbers, accuracy doesn't seem to be a strong suit of either QB. The best comp % between the both of them was Jackson's 59.1% last year. Unless a QB is hitting big down the field and on a lot of 3rd dn and converting them into 1st dn. Under 60% is not gonna cut it in the NFL.

I've heard no comparisons of Allen to Wentz aside from size-wise which seems to be Allen's biggest plus.

Hell, I'd stay away from both these guys personally.

Difference being Jackson improved his completion % to a manageable level. Allen on the other hand is in the danger zone. I'm pretty sure college qbs at his level have an atrocious nfl track record.

Jackson also dealt with significantly more drops than Allen actually.

That said I will admit Jackson's accuracy is his biggest flaw and the #1 reason I'm not pushing for us to take him. But I do think he's a better prospect than Allen and significantly overlooked by this board just because he reminds people of a certain someone and due to general lazy bias against mobile qbs.

 

[ehb5]

exactly, jackson is more accurate, against better competition, the numbers say so

And while dealing with more drops

 

[Sharkinva]

He fits it more than Allen.

It would be real interesting to see a comparison of the two as far as holding onto the ball too long, and sacks taken.

I would hedge my bet and say that Jackson' average time from play start to ball out of his hand fits our offense a lot less than Allen.

 

[SteelersPride]

And while dealing with more drops

agreed

 

[SteelersPride]

It would be real interesting to see a comparison of the two as far as holding onto the ball too long, and sacks taken.

I would hedge my bet and say that Jackson' average time from play start to ball out of his hand fits our offense a lot less than Allen.

do you think that could be because he was expected to run

 

[Sharkinva]

do you think that could be because he was expected to run

Could be. But again if his game was based around him being expected to run.. I want no parts of him in DC. To me he represents trying to recreate 2012. And he is the one player I hope we don't take period.

 

[SteelersPride]

Could be. But again if his game was based around him being expected to run.. I want no parts of him in DC. To me he represents trying to recreate 2012. And he is the one player I hope we don't take period.

fair enough,

 

[Sportster 72]

I don't see how that could be the case at all.

Not sure what you guys are arguing about, shark pointed out that Jackson is 0.8% more accurate. If you consider that significant all I can say "you have to be kidding me!"

Allen fits the Redskins offense much MUCH better than Jackson.

I still want Cousin's long term. I am not advocating drafting either of those two guys.

 

[ehb5]

Not sure what you guys are arguing about, shark pointed out that Jackson is 0.8% more accurate. If you consider that significant all I can say "you have to be kidding me!"

Allen fits the Redskins offense much MUCH better than Jackson.

I still want Cousin's long term. I am not advocating drafting either of those two guys.

Not last season. (Although again I think we should be careful using completion % as a perfect substitute for accuracy). But regardless he was about 3% higher last season while dealing with much more frequent drops.

Allen does not fit at all IMO. He's like the anti cousins lol.

I agree, i definitely hope they shock us all and cousins comes back.

 

[gkekoa]

Not sure what you guys are arguing about, shark pointed out that Jackson is 0.8% more accurate. If you consider that significant all I can say "you have to be kidding me!"

Allen fits the Redskins offense much MUCH better than Jackson.

I still want Cousin's long term. I am not advocating drafting either of those two guys.

Neither QB fits the offense IMO.

 

[Breed]

Difference being Jackson improved his completion % to a manageable level. Allen on the other hand is in the danger zone. I'm pretty sure college qbs at his level have an atrocious nfl track record.

Jackson also dealt with significantly more drops than Allen actually.

That said I will admit Jackson's accuracy is his biggest flaw and the #1 reason I'm not pushing for us to take him. But I do think he's a better prospect than Allen and significantly overlooked by this board just because he reminds people of a certain someone and due to general lazy bias against mobile qbs.

As follows year to year at Louisville - 54.7%, 56.2%, and 59.1%. That's improvement, but imo not much improvement. His career best of last year was good for 55th in the nation last year. Some of the others, Darnold, 63.1% last year and Rosen, 62.6% last year, 60.9% for his career aren't much better.

Not mobile QBs, homey. Running QBs. And its because running QBs have shown historically to be not very good passing QBs, unable to develop a necessary pocket presence, get hurt too much. I can only think of three that have sustained a high level of successs for a significant period of time. Steve Young, who developed into a great QB who could pass from the pocket, and Russell Wilson, who is arguably the best and smartest running QB to ever play the game and Cam who is a freak of nature.

There have been some that had success for a small window of time. Kordell, Randall, Vick, and Jim Harbaugh with the Colts for a season. Some might even include Tim Tebow and I wouldn't get mad or disagree too vehemently. Maybe there are more, but I can't think of anymore.

 

[Breed]

Oh, and I should say. Stats and stats alone aren't the measure of whether or not a college QB will become a good/great NFL QB. Oklahoma QBs always seem to put up great numbers. Who was the last great QB from Oklahoma? Troy Aikman, perhaps.

 

[Sportster 72]

Not last season. (Although again I think we should be careful using completion % as a perfect substitute for accuracy). But regardless he was about 3% higher last season while dealing with much more frequent drops.

Allen does not fit at all IMO. He's like the anti cousins lol.

I agree, i definitely hope they shock us all and cousins comes back.

If you looked up stats and you must have to use a last year quote you are correct. LJ had a 2.9% higher completion percentage at 59.1%. Still not a good number. I would not call either accurate. Drops happen to everyone, you can't use that for one guy and not the other. If you think he can improve then Allen has the same chance to improve.

My point is although very different QBs when it comes to style there isn't much difference in stats.

Your decisions to use telltale stats whether WRs or QBs is silly. You have to have some measure to show how effective players are.

 

[Sportster 72]

Neither QB fits the offense IMO.

Allen is more the drop back QB so he would more closely fit. As I said I am not advocating for either guy.

 

[SteelersPride]

Not sure what you guys are arguing about, shark pointed out that Jackson is 0.8% more accurate. If you consider that significant all I can say "you have to be kidding me!"

Allen fits the Redskins offense much MUCH better than Jackson.

I still want Cousin's long term. I am not advocating drafting either of those two guys.

factor in the competition b/w allen and jackson its a little more significant

 

[deanpet21]

why do you think allen is the real deal, he has sub 60% completion against sub par competition and struggled badly first half of sr bowl

he had a bad team

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Could be. But again if his game was based around him being expected to run.. I want no parts of him in DC. To me he represents trying to recreate 2012. And he is the one player I hope we don't take period.

Agree. This has kind of been my pt all along. I have no idea how Jackson will do in the NFL & wish him well, but for the Redskins he is probably not worth the risk or the perception of risk being that this team has been through similar in the recent past.

You have previously tried to portray this picture of Allen/Snyder basically drooling over Jackson & doing whatever it takes to acquire him. I could not disagree more. The memory of the rise & fall of RG3 is still fresh in their minds & they also see a real threat of a declining fanbase if they don't get this thing on track. For the majority of fans that means winning - not flashy players, media coverage or any of the other BS that was part of the circus in the recent past.

I could be wrong (since none of us really know how Allen/Snyder think & they never share their thoughts with anyone), but I would guess that there is a good chance that the FO would be very reluctant to draft another QB in the RG3 mold, and they certainly would not trade the house to get someone like this (no need for Jackson since he projects much lower & in this era I don't think that something like a great 40 time in the combine is going to change that).

We will see.