Theo Epstein > Brian Cashman

[CowboyB]

Fifth, not fourteenth.

If an exec's competence is measured on a comparison of his team's proximity to a championship and what they had to spend to get there, I'm pretty pumped about having Chris Antonetti in the Indians' front office. They gave the Cubs all they could handle while being outspent by 63% - and that's with 10% of the Indians' payroll on the disabled list.

false.

 

[CowboyB]

NEWS FLASH!


$125 million in 2011, cut to $88 Million then back to $116 Million by 2016

I guess they forgot that part, 'eh Joe Buck?

Pure genius!

I am not even sure what point you are trying to make..

 

[Eugene Baker III]

I am not even sure what point you are trying to make..

Chicago "bottoms out"..Theo goes full tilt Lucchinno and talks the Board into spending the dough.....gets some core, but expensive players and wins!

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

false.

That's a very compelling and well supported argument you've made.

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Just kidding.

 

[CowboyB]

That's a very compelling and well supported argument you've made.

Spoiler

Just kidding.

Well considering I found a link that shows them at 14 and someone else posted a link that showed them at 15....

 

[CowboyB]

Chicago "bottoms out"..Theo goes full tilt Lucchinno and talks the Board into spending the dough.....gets some core, but expensive players and wins!

Who are the "core" expensive players?

I sure hope you're not talking about Jason Hayward...

I can see Jon Lester at 20Mil Per year but everyone else wasn't very expensive and definitely not "core."

 

[CowboyB]

 

[Eugene Baker III]

Salary was $125 Million beginning of Season, finished at $171 Million...$50 Million short of Dodgers/Yankees territory..

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/index.php?team=CHN&cyear=2016

Kris and the Kyles deserve a raise....

 

[CowboyB]

 

[CowboyB]

Salary was $125 Million beginning of Season, finished at $171 Million...$50 Million short of Dodgers/Yankees territory..

Baseball Prospectus | Compensation | Baseball Prospectus

Kris and the Kyles deserve a raise....

Baseball doesn't think so just yet. There is a system for that. Pretty sure Kris hasn't even gone through arbitration yet and Schwarber is still a few years off from being arb eligible.

 

[Eugene Baker III]

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A wee bit of a discrepancy with Heyward, don't cha think?

$21,666,667


Baseball Prospectus | Compensation | Baseball Prospectus

 

[Eugene Baker III]

34 total players, $171,611,834 total salary, $5,047,407 avg salary

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/index.php?team=CHN&cyear=2016

 

[CowboyB]

A wee bit of a discrepancy with Heyward, don't cha think?

$21,666,667


Baseball Prospectus | Compensation | Baseball Prospectus

Yeah I did notice that. Those numbers came straight from the "worldwide leader in sports."

Nevertheless considering him a "core" player is quite the overstatement..

 

[CowboyB]

34 total players, $171,611,834 total salary, $5,047,407 avg salary

Baseball Prospectus | Compensation | Baseball Prospectus

Yep. I addressed that in the OP.

While Theo definitely spent some money to get there, he still did it the right way. The core of the Cubs were home grown talent. Guys they guilt from the ground up.

 

[Eugene Baker III]

28 total players, $100,759,500 total salary, $3,598,554 avg salary

Padres don't stand a chance...Baseball prospectus is how much they actually spent....not what they budgeted on April 1

 

[CowboyB]

28 total players, $100,759,500 total salary, $3,598,554 avg salary

Padres don't stand a chance...

Are you sure??

Do the Royals..

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Well considering I found a link that shows them at 14 and someone else posted a link that showed them at 15....

Not sure what links you're referring to, but I'm assuming this is one of them:

Major League Baseball Team Payrolls 1998-2016

It's to a site called SteveTheUmp.com and has a Cubs opening day payroll of $117MM and in 14th.

The link I provided is from sportrac.com, which tracks payrolls in real time, so it will have in-season payroll changes such as the addition of Chapman - you know, the team that actually played in the World Series. It has the Cubs currently sitting at $186MM.

Additionally, Baseball Prospectus has the Cubs opening day payroll at $172MM, which makes a lot more sense given sportrac's current figure.

Given my choice, I'm going with the reputable baseball sites over Steve The Ump.

 

[Eugene Baker III]

Are you sure??

Do the Royals..

Did the Royals give up anymore players getting World Series Raises to the Cubs besides Zobrist?

 

[cerealboi]

Cowboy is right. Theo >> Cashman

For a team that is always in the top 2 of money spent and has had no front office upheavals or even managerial changes for 8 years, to have missed the playoffs 3 out of the past 4 years is pretty damning.

 

[CowboyB]

Did the Royals give up anymore players getting World Series Raises to the Cubs besides Zobrist?

Did the Padres?