Penn State

[Forty_Sixand2]

I am not saying it is pretty. I prefer the VT approach.

Kid approaches VT (kid or his parent/coach)

Beamer calls O'Brien and tells him what's up.

They talk.

I am just saying that this is nothing new or shocking in the world that is recruiting.

 

[wildturkey]

How Penn State Could Have Fought The NCAA And Won

That link basically answers what I had talked about in my earlier post in this topic. The NCAA doesn't really have the authority to punish Penn State like it did but could do so because Penn St went along with it. Though I still stand by my opinion. As disgusting as the crimes were, the NCAA shouldn't have gotten involved. Its a criminal case, not a football issue.

And thanks to the NCAA's punishments, everyone's talking about it like its a football issue. Instead of really reflecting on the victims and seeking out punishment for the administrators, all anyone is talking about is "Which PSU players will transfer?".

 

[Taz_Hokie]

How Penn State Could Have Fought The NCAA And Won

That link basically answers what I had talked about in my earlier post in this topic. The NCAA doesn't really have the authority to punish Penn State like it did but could do so because Penn St went along with it. Though I still stand by my opinion. As disgusting as the crimes were, the NCAA shouldn't have gotten involved. Its a criminal case, not a football issue.

And thanks to the NCAA's punishments, everyone's talking about it like its a football issue. Instead of really reflecting on the victims and seeking out punishment for the administrators, all anyone is talking about is "Which PSU players will transfer?".

Punishments? P'shaw. They're getting jobs with the government!

Graham Spanier, former Penn State president, gets job with federal government - NCAA Football - Sporting News

 

[VTfoozball]

I am not saying it is pretty. I prefer the VT approach.

Kid approaches VT (kid or his parent/coach)

Beamer calls O'Brien and tells him what's up.

They talk.

I am just saying that this is nothing new or shocking in the world that is recruiting.

I don't. It's showmanship...you gotta go out and get em
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[VTscores]

How Penn State Could Have Fought The NCAA And Won

That link basically answers what I had talked about in my earlier post in this topic. The NCAA doesn't really have the authority to punish Penn State like it did but could do so because Penn St went along with it. Though I still stand by my opinion. As disgusting as the crimes were, the NCAA shouldn't have gotten involved. Its a criminal case, not a football issue.

And thanks to the NCAA's punishments, everyone's talking about it like its a football issue. Instead of really reflecting on the victims and seeking out punishment for the administrators, all anyone is talking about is "Which PSU players will transfer?".

There were both criminal and football organization issues involved.

So the NCAA was correct to administer sanctions, Penn State was correct to accept them, and there will also be both criminal and civil actions against both individuals and the university. The link you provided is a blog, and so it reflects the opinion of an individual. The fact, however, is that Penn State realized the value in accepting the sanctions and moving forward. There is a certain element of closure involved.

So it's a combination of perspectives. We're talking about recruiting because 1) those sanctions were just announced, and 2) this is a football recruiting board.

Don't worry, criminal investigations/prosecutions are ongoing, and victims are determining what civil actions they want to take.

 

[MattB4VT]

If you're not either going after psu players, or at least giving them proper evaluation, you're not committed to being the best team you possibly can be.

 

[VTscores]

If you're not either going after psu players, or at least giving them proper evaluation, you're not committed to being the best team you possibly can be.

Particularly since you get a recruiting advantage in terms of numbers, and almost every other team is doing the same thing, with the same rationale.

 

[ACC_HOKIES]

How Penn State Could Have Fought The NCAA And Won

That link basically answers what I had talked about in my earlier post in this topic. The NCAA doesn't really have the authority to punish Penn State like it did but could do so because Penn St went along with it. Though I still stand by my opinion. As disgusting as the crimes were, the NCAA shouldn't have gotten involved. Its a criminal case, not a football issue.

And thanks to the NCAA's punishments, everyone's talking about it like its a football issue. Instead of really reflecting on the victims and seeking out punishment for the administrators, all anyone is talking about is "Which PSU players will transfer?".

I've always had the same stance. If required, it should have been PSU that "self imposed" those penalties. It's too late now. I won't feel sorry for the program, but I do think it sucks for the innocent players and alumni that have to deal with the fallout. We know better than most fanbases that the horrible acts of a few can cause great pain to all.

 

[MattB4VT]

It is and was a football issue. In nearly every way. Took place in football facilities. Rapes committed by a football coach. Rapes covered up by football coach, as well as administrators. All to protect the football program, and continue winning. They made football more important than the law, as well as the well-being of innocent kids whose lives have been ruined forever.
The NCAA should have hit them much harder than the sanctions they got. And a four year death penalty was on the table during negotiations as well.

I know a big part of this has become, which players will transfer? But that's part of the territory. Every player deserves the right to play for a bowl game, be proud of who they play for, and where they went to school.

 

[Sleepy T]

A local sports personality said it very well yesterday. That this is both a football issue as well as a moral issue. Most NCAA sanctions come because teams are doing something outside of the rules to get a competing advantage. While it is easy to say this had nothing to do with football and that PSU coaches and administration didn't doing anything to get a competitive advantage, they covered all of this up (not to necessarily save Sandusky's ass, but) to keep from putting the program at a competitive disadvantage (which bringing this public 12 years ago would have still done, although not to THIS extent)
which IMO is the same thing.

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QUOTE=VTscores;2172385]Particularly since you get a recruiting advantage in terms of numbers, and almost every other team is doing the same thing, with the same rationale.[/QUOTE]

You also have look at it like a recruiting advantage this year=a disadvantage next year. The coaches may end up taking a player or two that they have looked at before and that. On facts THEM ( which has already been made clear). Why would they waste time evaluating players and be-bopping around campus chasing players that they either know nothing about or aren't interested in VT. It's not like this is Alabama where any second stringer they have. Luke possibly start for many D1 teams. Penn States recruits and players are comperable to what Beams has in BBurg.

 

[Sleepy T]

A local sports personality said it very well yesterday. That this is both a football issue as well as a moral issue. Most NCAA sanctions come because teams are doing something outside of the rules to get a competing advantage. While it is easy to say this had nothing to do with football and that PSU coaches and administration didn't doing anything to get a competitive advantage, they covered all of this up (not to necessarily save Sandusky's ass, but) to keep from putting the program at a competitive disadvantage (which bringing this public 12 years ago would have still done, although not to THIS extent)
which IMO is the same thing.

Particularly since you get a recruiting advantage in terms of numbers, and almost every other team is doing the same thing, with the same rationale.

You also have look at it like a recruiting advantage this year=a disadvantage next year. The coaches may end up taking a player or two that they have looked at before and that contacts THEM ( which has already been made clear). Why would they waste time evaluating players and be-bopping around campus chasing players that they either know nothing about or aren't interested in VT. It's not like this is Alabama where any second stringer they have. Luke possibly start for many D1 teams. Penn States recruits and players are comperable to what Beams has in BBurg.[/QUOTE]

 

[EvanGWatkins]

I am not saying it is pretty. I prefer the VT approach.

Kid approaches VT (kid or his parent/coach)

Beamer calls O'Brien and tells him what's up.

They talk.

I am just saying that this is nothing new or shocking in the world that is recruiting.

This

 

[Whatsupppppppp]

I guess they're bringing the bus.

UGA informed Penn State of intent to contact 19 players

Freeking vultures.

Of the 19, 12 have already committed to staying, so why bother?

Thats just wrong IMO

 

[VTscores]

I guess they're bringing the bus.

UGA informed Penn State of intent to contact 19 players

Freeking vultures.

Of the 19, 12 have already committed to staying, so why bother?

Thats just wrong IMO

If that report is true, it does seem a bit extreme.

This is the update:

UPDATE -- 5:23 p.m.
Very soon after this report appeared Friday afternoon, Mark Richt released a statement through UGA Sports Communications that said the following ...

"Currently, Georgia is not pursuing any of Penn State's football players. We wish Coach O'Brien and the players the best."

 

[VTscores]

If Penn State had not accepted the NCAA's sanctions, they might have faced even worse: a four-year death penalty.

Penn State Nittany Lions -- Rodney Erickson said school faced 4-year death penalty - ESPN

 

[VTscores]

Silas Redd going to USC.

Penn State running back Silas Redd will transfer to USC - latimes.com

 

[VTscores]

I thought this was an interesting take. Clearly, the situation was different, but Penn State recruited SMU players after they got the death penalty in 1987:

Penn State recruited SMU players after NCAA death penalty in 1987 | Dr. Saturday - Yahoo! Sports

 

[Sleepy T]

I thought this was an interesting take. Clearly, the situation was different, but Penn State recruited SMU players after they got the death penalty in 1987:

Penn State recruited SMU players after NCAA death penalty in 1987 | Dr. Saturday - Yahoo! Sports

I thought so too. Local sports radio guy was talking about the other day. Sounds like JoePA was leading to charge to poach players from SMU..

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

Do I post this in the Penn State thread on the WC and incur the wrath on bonham?


.....hmmm


I will let Taz do it.

 

[Taz_Hokie]

Fine fine, I'll take one for the team.