Josh Norman Needs To Be Suspended

[jarntt]

many times........And I'm an athlete.....I've played SPORTS

And since you're a 49er fan, I guess you've never been to an NFL game. How are 49ers doing in the Pac 12?.
Maybe they can win two games this year.

Oh...why didn't you just say you've played SPORTS...

 

[jarntt]

I'm not convinced Dez can get into his own head.

no way man, nothing and i mean NOTHING gets into Dez's head...oh wait...

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Taunting and garbage talking, should be flagged every single time........The NFL ain't the NBA

The NFL aint the PGA Tour...I agree on taunting, but the league has always had trash talkers. The games already take too long with too many penalties...trying to clean it up by throwing flags is compounding the negative.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Over paid I fully agree. But with the current crop of CBs in the league combined with the rules favoring the offense. You could do a lot worse than having Norman on your team IMO. If I thought NE could curb his attitude I'd take him. But I don't think even BB and the Patriot way could control him.

His attitude is annoying, but I can live with that...He's a good CB, but he's not a great CB and that's what they are paying him to be.

 

[wings-pens2166]

cute

and neither is alcohol

you take that back!!!!

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

His attitude is annoying, but I can live with that...He's a good CB, but he's not a great CB and that's what they are paying him to be.

He only appears to be overpaid because he was the most recent CB to hit the market and sign. We all know had he been released in March other teams would have bid the price up even higher. So I don't have a problem with the contract when the option is Breeland and rookie Fuller as your starters.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

He only appears to be overpaid because he was the most recent CB to hit the market and sign. We all know had he been released in March other teams would have bid the price up even higher. So I don't have a problem with the contract when the option is Breeland and rookie Fuller as your starters.

Unfortunately that's the price of doing business with decent CBs. Like QBs there just aren't enough good ones to go around.

 

[jarntt]

He only appears to be overpaid because he was the most recent CB to hit the market and sign. We all know had he been released in March other teams would have bid the price up even higher. So I don't have a problem with the contract when the option is Breeland and rookie Fuller as your starters.

Probably one of the biggest jackasses in the league. So depending on how you value that or not I agree about the contract not being out of whack. Maybe a little too high, but not crazy. I think he is a pretty good corner. Being an asshole doesn't stop that IMO. D Jax to me may be worse. How do you back into the end zone like that in a game when you are losing? And probably should have been taunting and 15 yards which would have been huge at the time, but he doesn't care about his team and never has, only himself.

 

[TheStarOne]

Star posts on the Cowboys board exposes himself as an idiot, but that's not enough, he has to post here so the rest of the fans know it.

And Manster is the jealous poster (self appointed know it all) who responds to my posts.


Eventual Question Will Arise......Tony Romo or Dak Prescott?
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posted by TheStarOne

Manster has post number envy

Manster has posted to that thread 26 times
If I'm an idiot........what does that make you, 26 times over?

 

[Manster7588]

And Manster is the jealous poster (self appointed know it all) who responds to my posts.


Eventual Question Will Arise......Tony Romo or Dak Prescott?
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posted by TheStarOne

Manster has post number envy

Manster has posted to that thread 26 times
If I'm an idiot........what does that make you, 26 times over?

Considering I don't agree with you and I think your off your rocker, I'd have to say smart. My views on Romo are simple, I'm a fan and would like to see hom get his last shot, but I completely understand not upsetting the apple cart and pulling Dak. You on the otherhand think Romo is the best QB in Dallas history. No matter how many of us tried to explain the how much the game has changed, and there's no way to compare ofer the decades. I think Staubach would florish with todays pasding rules, I doubt Romo lives 3 years in the 70's.

 

[TheStarOne]

You on the other hand think Romo is the best QB in Dallas history.

I've never posted that, ever.

I compared Romo stats to to Aikman and Staubach to promote the idea, Romo was a very good Qb. He was not just an ordinary NFL QB. And I still say, under Staubach's and Aikman's circumstances, if Romo would have been part of their teams, he would have won a Super Bowl or more.

....unless you want to compare the talent and coaching level that Troy Aikman or Staubach teams had to Tony Romo's................ By the way, the 5 yard bump rule was created in 1978.

Could Romo have played behind Aikman's Oline?.......I think so. And one thing is for sure, Romo has had far more mobility than Aikman ever had. Could Romo have handed off to EMMITT SMITH for ten seasons?
And Romo, under Norv Turner ,would not have had to worry about audibles., because they didn't have any.


Staubach had a Hall of Fame coach Tom Landry,and Gil Brandt as GM. How many HOFers played on Staubach's teams?
Aikman had Jimmy Johnson as coach and GM...... How many HOFers played on Aikman''s teams?
and Romo has had?.........outside of Bill Parcels for one year

And of course, Romo has never played on a team that had the 92,93,95 COWBOY'S defense.........or the Doomsday defenses of the 70s

You can also say, that Aikman and Staubach may have not won anything with Romo's COWBOY'S teams.

We can say what if, all day long.

 

[Manster7588]

I've never posted that, ever.

I compared Romo stats to to Aikman and Staubach to promote the idea, Romo was a very good Qb. He was not just an ordinary NFL QB. And I still say, under Staubach's and Aikman's circumstances, if Romo would have been part of their teams, he would have won a Super Bowl or more.

....unless you want to compare the talent and coaching level that Troy Aikman or Staubach teams had to Tony Romo's................ By the way, the 5 yard bump rule was created in 1978.

Could Romo have played behind Aikman's Oline?.......I think so. And one thing is for sure, Romo has had far more mobility than Aikman ever had. Could Romo have handed off to EMMITT SMITH for ten seasons?
And Romo, under Norv Turner ,would not have had to worry about audibles., because they didn't have any.


Staubach had a Hall of Fame coach Tom Landry,and Gil Brandt as GM. How many HOFers played on Staubach's teams?
Aikman had Jimmy Johnson as coach and GM...... How many HOFers played on Aikman''s teams?
and Romo has had?.........outside of Bill Parcels for one year

And of course, Romo has never played on a team that had the 92,93,95 COWBOY'S defense.........or the Doomsday defenses of the 70s

You can also say, that Aikman and Staubach may have not won anything with Romo's COWBOY'S teams.

We can say what if, all day long.

I'll say it real dlow for you.
THE RULES HAVE CHANGED TOO MUCH IN FAVOR OF THE OFFENSE TO TRY TO COMPARE QBS FROM DIFFERENT ERAS.

 

[cdumler7]

The NFL aint the PGA Tour...I agree on taunting, but the league has always had trash talkers. The games already take too long with too many penalties...trying to clean it up by throwing flags is compounding the negative.

To me the trash talk between 2 players adds to the character of the player and the team. The players know who the trash talkers are and it helps create those great rivalries. Norman's problem though is he can dish it but struggles if a player actually responds and beats him then points that out. He has allowed his mouth to try and write some checks he can't cover. I agree that he is a good Corner but not a great one. The system in Carolina greatly helped him play to his strengths compared to now being asked to play on an island. He just doesn't have the skill set to be consistent in that role. Honestly very few Corners do...that is why teams are so willing to pay a player like that but that also means that 2nd tier of guys are going to get overpaid as finding those high quality Corners is such a tough thing to do these days. And honestly any more teams are needing 3 high quality Corners to make things work and be a top-5 defense.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Unfortunately that's the price of doing business with decent CBs. Like QBs there just aren't enough good ones to go around.

Which is why he is not overpaid.

 

[cdumler7]

Which is why he is not overpaid.

This is where I might differ with you on this. While Norman is a good Corner in this league I just don't think he compares to guys like Sherman, Talib, Peterson. Yet he is the highest paid Corner in the NFL. Yes that number will be beaten over the next couple of years so the deal won't look so bad but if we are talking of pay compared to the player compared to other players at his position he is being overpaid. I would put him in that next tier of players which would put him closer to $12-13 million range. So he isn't so far off from the mark of where I would say he ranks but still just a bit overpaid. If I was Washington I'm still willing to do that deal as they needed a player like Norman to have success on defense this year. He has had his ups and downs but has still held up pretty well considering the types of players he is facing every week.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

He only appears to be overpaid because he was the most recent CB to hit the market and sign. We all know had he been released in March other teams would have bid the price up even higher. So I don't have a problem with the contract when the option is Breeland and rookie Fuller as your starters.

Most recent...the Rams CB that went to NYG I want to say...forgetting his name, but just as good imo...same FA class.

In general I want to see the players get paid, so it never REALLY bothers me, but in a hard cap league over paying for a "good" but not great player can hold a team back from getting over the top if they don't draft well enough to balance out the cap money in other areas....that will be the challenge next yr when his cap hit ramps up and Cousins gets signed long term...Granted, Garcon and Djax, one or both might drop off the roster, but that production has to be replaced, most likely with cheaper talent.

Agree he is the best WAS can put out there, but I like Breeland just having a tough yr adjusting to being the more targeted CB, and Fuller will come along.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

To me the trash talk between 2 players adds to the character of the player and the team. The players know who the trash talkers are and it helps create those great rivalries. Norman's problem though is he can dish it but struggles if a player actually responds and beats him then points that out. He has allowed his mouth to try and write some checks he can't cover. I agree that he is a good Corner but not a great one. The system in Carolina greatly helped him play to his strengths compared to now being asked to play on an island. He just doesn't have the skill set to be consistent in that role. Honestly very few Corners do...that is why teams are so willing to pay a player like that but that also means that 2nd tier of guys are going to get overpaid as finding those high quality Corners is such a tough thing to do these days. And honestly any more teams are needing 3 high quality Corners to make things work and be a top-5 defense.

To be honest, the way the game is played today...even the top tier CBs are going to get beat on occasion...I saw Julio torch Peterson for pretty much a whole game LY and he might be the best CB in the game right now. Sherman is right there, but he has probowl backend support and he rarely has a sole responsibility for a WR1. That's not a knock on them, I think they're great CBs and Norman is a notch below them as you've said.

The trash talking...when it effects performance, then I have a problem with it, I haven't seen that from Norman...he does have a good mental make up for the position...when he does get beat, he doesn't back off, doesn't let it effect the next play.

 

[cdumler7]

To be honest, the way the game is played today...even the top tier CBs are going to get beat on occasion...I saw Julio torch Peterson for pretty much a whole game LY and he might be the best CB in the game right now. Sherman is right there, but he has probowl backend support and he rarely has a sole responsibility for a WR1. That's not a knock on them, I think they're great CBs and Norman is a notch below them as you've said.

The trash talking...when it effects performance, then I have a problem with it, I haven't seen that from Norman...he does have a good mental make up for the position...when he does get beat, he doesn't back off, doesn't let it effect the next play.

Oh I agree even the best get beat sometimes. I just think Norman this year is seeing how much that Carolina system really did play so well into his strengths. He is showing he is more than just a system Corner just not that guy that wins as consistently as those others though. That is why I put him a notch below and why I say him getting paid more than them is a bit of an overpayment.

I do disagree that he has a good mental makeup though. These in game and after game dust ups are happening way too often. He is risking hurting the team by getting himself suspended because he can't handle somebody talking back to him at times. And then he just struggles to let these things go as we see on social media him continue to talk about being disrespected but then getting mad when people won't stop talking about it. To me he is Sherman just without the high intelligence. At least Sherman comes across as a talker but with some thought behind what he has to say. Norman just seems to say or write the first thing that comes to his head. Not saying I wouldn't love to have him on my team as I do love the fight and like you said the ability to keep fighting even after a bad play. I just would wish he would shut up some and realize to use that disrespect to keep getting better instead of just going off on people disrespecting him. I love Chris Harris of the Broncos for that reason. Maybe no Corner in the league that has been more disrespected than him. The last at least 3 years he has been a top-5 Corner in this league but no one talks about his ability. Didn't give up a touchdown in over 2 years and barely gives up catches while playing both the outside Corner and slot position at top levels for both. He just uses the disrespect though to keep pushing him to get better and make them have to take notice.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

This is where I might differ with you on this. While Norman is a good Corner in this league I just don't think he compares to guys like Sherman, Talib, Peterson. Yet he is the highest paid Corner in the NFL. Yes that number will be beaten over the next couple of years so the deal won't look so bad but if we are talking of pay compared to the player compared to other players at his position he is being overpaid. I would put him in that next tier of players which would put him closer to $12-13 million range. So he isn't so far off from the mark of where I would say he ranks but still just a bit overpaid. If I was Washington I'm still willing to do that deal as they needed a player like Norman to have success on defense this year. He has had his ups and downs but has still held up pretty well considering the types of players he is facing every week.

Yeah but you missed my point. Obviously he is not up there with those guys but he was the last guy to sign and since contracts always go up, well there you have it. Was Andrew Luck the best QB in the league when he recently signed a deal making him the highest paid? Since good starting corners and QBs are rare this is what it costs to acquire or retain them. Therefore neither is overpaid, it's what the market bears. And again had Norman been released in March the deal would have been higher due to more bidders. So in a way Washington got him at a discount when you factor that in.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Oh I agree even the best get beat sometimes. I just think Norman this year is seeing how much that Carolina system really did play so well into his strengths. He is showing he is more than just a system Corner just not that guy that wins as consistently as those others though. That is why I put him a notch below and why I say him getting paid more than them is a bit of an overpayment.

I do disagree that he has a good mental makeup though. These in game and after game dust ups are happening way too often. He is risking hurting the team by getting himself suspended because he can't handle somebody talking back to him at times. And then he just struggles to let these things go as we see on social media him continue to talk about being disrespected but then getting mad when people won't stop talking about it. To me he is Sherman just without the high intelligence. At least Sherman comes across as a talker but with some thought behind what he has to say. Norman just seems to say or write the first thing that comes to his head. Not saying I wouldn't love to have him on my team as I do love the fight and like you said the ability to keep fighting even after a bad play. I just would wish he would shut up some and realize to use that disrespect to keep getting better instead of just going off on people disrespecting him. I love Chris Harris of the Broncos for that reason. Maybe no Corner in the league that has been more disrespected than him. The last at least 3 years he has been a top-5 Corner in this league but no one talks about his ability. Didn't give up a touchdown in over 2 years and barely gives up catches while playing both the outside Corner and slot position at top levels for both. He just uses the disrespect though to keep pushing him to get better and make them have to take notice.

Mental make up...clearly he has an edge to him...with social media it's fairly easy to see that he likes to engage if you will, but my point is he doesn't let it effect his play on the field. To date he hasn't missed a play because of it. The chatter, I'm not saying I don't pay attention at all, but it' not something I can peak on with any degree of detail...to me it's background noise...I hear it but

Chris Harris' approach to the game is far more appreciable to me as well, but some guys are just wired differently...especially CBs....if WRs are OFC divas, CBs are DEF divas.