Would Broncos trade Miller ?

[cdumler7]

I didn't say a $7.7 mil savings for Pitta and you are correct about Webb and Smith (I was a year off on both). My point is the same. That's $11 mil off the number you are looking at for Pitta and Webb. I doubt Doom plays under a $8.5 mil figure. They can easily get away from Wallace if necessary. Watson...Forsett...Arrington...add those up. You get the point.

That also means then you have to replace all those players and the more bottom of the barrel contracts you are relying on to fill out your roster usually the less depth you actually have. I mean it is easy to say "hey cut all these players or restructure all these players" but when it comes down to it cutting players means you are hoping to find a cheaper option that can do just as good or better than the player you are cutting and well doesn't always work out great. And when you restructure a contract usually means you are just pushing money down the road making it that much harder in future years.

So yeah you can cut those players and whatever but I don't see that making you guys a great team either. To me that looks more like a rebuild than a Championship caliber type team.

 

[Money]

That also means then you have to replace all those players and the more bottom of the barrel contracts you are relying on to fill out your roster usually the less depth you actually have. I mean it is easy to say "hey cut all these players or restructure all these players" but when it comes down to it cutting players means you are hoping to find a cheaper option that can do just as good or better than the player you are cutting and well doesn't always work out great. And when you restructure a contract usually means you are just pushing money down the road making it that much harder in future years.

So yeah you can cut those players and whatever but I don't see that making you guys a great team either. To me that looks more like a rebuild than a Championship caliber type team.

No team is in "rebuild" mode because they let Ladarius Webb, Dennis Pitta, Ben Watson, Justin Forsett and Kyle Arrington go at this stage of their careers.

I think we are beginning to meet in the middle, so we can leave it alone for now. I'm not saying Flacco isn't a factor and you aren't saying he's the only factor. Flacco certainly needs to have a year more on par with 2014 than either 2013 or 2015. That's for sure.

 

[cdumler7]

No team is in "rebuild" mode because they let Ladarius Webb, Dennis Pitta, Ben Watson, Justin Forsett and Kyle Arrington go at this stage of their careers.

I think we are beginning to meet in the middle, so we can leave it alone for now. I'm not saying Flacco isn't a factor and you aren't saying he's the only factor. Flacco certainly needs to have a year more on par with 2014 than either 2013 or 2015. That's for sure.

We can agree on that. And I'm not saying those players are not irreplaceable because obviously they haven't lived up to the billing but just mostly saying they don't offer a ton of cap savings so that means you are replacing them with lower level paying players and hoping they play well above their contract to stay competitive. To me it is bad contracts (not just Flacco), bad drafting, and honestly a bit of an unlucky streak since the Super Bowl with some of the injuries. Doesn't mean they can't turn it around in a hurry but they do have some more limited options compared to many teams in the league. I'll leave it at that.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Buddy, "It puts the lotion on it's back".
No mention of either baby oil or motor oil.

Not talking about Buffalo Bill but Manster . Marge wouldn't put out if it was slick 50, sure not many women happy rubbing motor oil, reg or synthetic

 

[Fountain City Blues]

As much as I like to make fun of Flacco's contract, it made sense to give him the contract at the time. The alternative is what makes such a contract worthwhile even if it may not be ideal. That's supported by teams that pay QB's these extensions having better DVOA's than their newby counterparts. It's ideal to have say Russell Wilson for 4-5 years of cost controlled play. The reality is the supply isn't that great for QB's, or you'd see the mediocre QB's switching teams a lot more often.

 

[PDay8810]

The reality is the supply isn't that great for QB's, or you'd see the mediocre QB's switching teams a lot more often.

B I N G O

much more than the measurable of throwing a football

 

[Oldschool739]

Haha ok...then why is it that I can look at the numbers of Flacco's contract year by year and how they break it down from base salary, signing bonus, guaranteed money, work out bonus, other bonus, incentive clauses such as throwing 25 touchdowns gets you this much and so on? So if no one understands them then how do they get done and how do they find their way onto the internet on multiple sites? Just because you don't want to do the research doesn't mean you can just say "well they are too complicated." Doesn't work that way. You obviously don't understand the cap situation your own team is in and don't understand Flacco's cap hits over the next few years and how they make it very difficult to do anything but draft and hope those players work out.

Your problem is, you think because you look at some chart breakdown that you admit is not totally accurate, and think you understand them completely....You didn't create the breakdown or do the research for it, all you did was read what someone estimated and posted on the internet...I've heard coaches and analyst's say that they don't understand all the intricacies of an NFL contract, but you think you do because you read it on the internet...

Yea Well,

 

[Oldschool739]

Ozzie?????

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"Purple lives Matter", you RACIST Cracker !!!! Jesse and Al are on their way....

 

[SDGuy73]

Broncos' latest offer to Von Miller includes $70M guaranteed

 

[Manster7588]

Not talking about Buffalo Bill but Manster . Marge wouldn't put out if it was slick 50, sure not many women happy rubbing motor oil, reg or synthetic

You know that first hand, don't you.

 

[cdumler7]

Your problem is, you think because you look at some chart breakdown that you admit is not totally accurate, and think you understand them completely....You didn't create the breakdown or do the research for it, all you did was read what someone estimated and posted on the internet...I've heard coaches and analyst's say that they don't understand all the intricacies of an NFL contract, but you think you do because you read it on the internet...

Yea Well,
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Agents release most of the details of a contract and in today's world of information it doesn't take long to get 99% of the contract language down. Throw in these teams have to report contracts to the NFLPA to have them looked over and they have a site where they keep track of contracts and overall cap space for these other sites to compare to. There are a few things that they will disagree language wise but again about 99% of the things contract wise all of these sites I have listed for you agree on and are run by people very knowledgeable of the subject. Again I don't want to have to do all the research for you but ignorance is not an excuse and you can't claim that everybody else doesn't understand this stuff more than you or that this stuff is too complicated to understand it. Once you have the numbers it really isn't hard to plug them in and see the entirety of the contract.

 

[Oldschool739]

Agents release most of the details of a contract and in today's world of information it doesn't take long to get 99% of the contract language down. Throw in these teams have to report contracts to the NFLPA to have them looked over and they have a site where they keep track of contracts and overall cap space for these other sites to compare to. There are a few things that they will disagree language wise but again about 99% of the things contract wise all of these sites I have listed for you agree on and are run by people very knowledgeable of the subject. Again I don't want to have to do all the research for you but ignorance is not an excuse and you can't claim that everybody else doesn't understand this stuff more than you or that this stuff is too complicated to understand it. Once you have the numbers it really isn't hard to plug them in and see the entirety of the contract.

So then you have used that brilliant google it mind of yours to determine that these figures are 99% correct but you admit you haven't done the research to validate that percentage....
You continue to mistake non interest for ignorance, and let your unqualified over confident delusional mind determine percentages and evaluations you cannot quantify...

Looks like another..
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[boogiewithstu2007]

Broncos' latest offer to Von Miller includes $70M guaranteed

HOLY MOLY ... He would be insane not to sign that ... That would make him the highest paid non QB player in the history of the game correct ? Definitely the highest paid defensive player...

 

[Fountain City Blues]

HOLY MOLY ... He would be insane not to sign that ... That would make him the highest paid non QB player in the history of the game correct ? Definitely the highest paid defensive player...

Have to find how how and when the guaranteed money is distributed. Language is key here

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Have to find how how and when the guaranteed money is distributed. Language is key here

True

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Have to find how how and when the guaranteed money is distributed. Language is key here

Adam Schefter reports the majority of the guarenteed $ is in the first two years. What's the majority? But, it makes sense as that's what appeared to be the hold up. Like many of us thought, Elway was going to give that majority of $ up early. Miller signs this deal now. Good for both sides. Cd gives rhe reader digest version of what this does to Denver next year, cap wise? I could google it but don't want to get those fiesty Raven fans started. If I recall Denver was looking good going into tge next two years? Any other big contracts needed to get done in 17 or 18?

Need a kicker? Looks like you can get a pretty good one next year based on earlier reports today. One kicker seems to be a little upset he's getting low balled. Maybe some FOs aren't that smart. Teams don't need kickers. Well, until the need them right?

 

[Uhsplit]

Not talking about Buffalo Bill but Manster . Marge wouldn't put out if it was slick 50, sure not many women happy rubbing motor oil, reg or synthetic

If they did, I recommend synthetic.

 

[Broncos6482]

Broncos' latest offer to Von Miller includes $70M guaranteed

That's a whole lot of cheddar.

 

[Broncos6482]

Adam Schefter reports the majority of the guarenteed $ is in the first two years. What's the majority?

I'm gonna guess it's at least $36 million.

 

[Broncosr0k]

If I recall Denver was looking good going into tge next two years? Any other big contracts needed to get done in 17 or 18?

Off the top of my head, Emanuel Sanders. TJ Ward, Aqib Talib, and Ware are all up in the next couple years but I would guess we move on from at least 2 of those guys. Roby will need a new contract with starter money if they pass on Talib that is 2018 or 2019. CAp wise, we are not bad the next couple of years.