Lions pick up Tyrunn Walker

[Thruthefog]

We added 2 DTs. One is an all pro and the other was courted by the Patriots(the greatest organization of all time according to some on the board) but turned down a multi year deal to play with us.

Also, even after Suh left, we still didn't have a TON of money to throw around as we still need to sign draft picks. I think we'll be ok. I leave the freaking out to others.

Only because I do it so well.

 

[LionsWhyMe]

Would people be happy if we went out and spent a bunch of our freed up money on a "star" and have that star be a complete waste of money as he never helped out the team the way everyone hoped?

If it was a team like the '07/'08 Lions that had a whole lot of players that never saw a playoff... bench warmers, has been and newbies. Then it would depend if your talking like Barry Sanders or Emmitt Smith. One went the distance and other one didn't. Both can teach how to be a Pro, tips on game film, eating right and other tricks of the trade. You would get more out of a "star" that's gone the distance even if he is past his prime, IMHO.

Walker is looking forward to playing next to Ngata and picking his brain. Just think how much better Suh and Fairley would've been had they had a mentor like Ngata instead of the movie "The Replacements" with Gene Hackman saying "get me the ball".

 

[Dr. Evil-er]

I agree what I wanted to see is guys that can be plugged into areas that needed to be addressed.

CB for slot
Guard
2-3 DTs minus Suh
Kick returner

If I try to make an effort to be positive (not really in my nature) I would say that we "may" be able to kill two birds with one stone on either a drafted RB or CB that has kick return abilities to at least challenge Ross for that roll.

While I am not a big fan of Blaylock, who I consider to be an improvement over Sims (so would a mannequin), its not a significant one.

Lions need some sort of solution along the o-line and d-line. I think we really missed the boat there in FA.

 

[Microwahevo]

While I am not a big fan of Blaylock, who I consider to be an improvement over Sims (so would a mannequin)

 

[tpaulus_2]

If I try to make an effort to be positive (not really in my nature) I would say that we "may" be able to kill two birds with one stone on either a drafted RB or CB that has kick return abilities to at least challenge Ross for that roll.

While I am not a big fan of Blaylock, who I consider to be an improvement over Sims (so would a mannequin), its not a significant one.

Lions need some sort of solution along the o-line and d-line. I think we really missed the boat there in FA.

If we draft a player to replace Sims, though, we get a comp pick, likely a 3rd rounder based on how many games he started for us... A rookie and a 3rd or 4th round pick next year sounds better than Blaylock...

 

[Rollingthndr]

A good GM can draft another Slay Levy or even Ansah. But another Suh will never ever again fall on their lap.

Another Ansah won't be coming around very often either.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

A good GM can draft another Slay Levy or even Ansah. But another Suh will never ever again fall on their lap

Once again, I will preface by saying, Suh was my favorite player on the team. You are talking about him, as if he is putting up JJ Watt numbers, while carrying the Lions to league titles and playoff wins the last 5 years.

Last year was the 1st time we had a good defense, which happened, because we had players like Levy, Quinn, Slay, Ansah all playing at an extremely high level, along with Suh, and a DC who figured out how to use their talents. Would I absolutely love to have Suh back? Absolutely. Do I think the defense is going to have a huge drop? No. I actually think Detroit will still be one of the best against the run. The pressure on the QB is what I will have to see, as I don't know a ton about Tyrunn Walker and Ngata is known more for run stopping than getting after the QB.

As far as "another Suh" never falling into our lap. We could have had our "next Suh" LAST YEAR. Aaron Donald graded out as the #1 DT in the NFL as a rookie. He had 9 sacks (Suh has had one season with more sacks), he forced 2 fumbles (Suh has forced 2 fumbles in FIVE years), he had 12 Stuffs (Suh had 9 stuffs combined for his 1st two years) and he had 49 tackles (Suh had more in 2 of his 5 years).

So please stop talking as if Suh is this once in a generation talent. He is a tremendous talent and one of the top 2 or 3 DT's in the NFL, but nothing he has done isn't something we haven't watched before and actually done better (Suh's biggest critic -- Warren Sapp). The only once in a generation talent in the NFL right now is JJ Watt, who just so happened to fall into the lap of the Texans. I better put IMO before someone calls me out as speaking as fact.

 

[gandydancer]

Just imagine how much higher Donald would have rated playing next to Suh? He would have been off the charts.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Just imagine how much higher Donald would have rated playing next to Suh? He would have been off the charts.

They would have inducted him into the HOF after one season. That being said -- if the Lions did draft Donald, we wouldn't have our vertical threat at TE, so I can't really complain.

 

[gandydancer]

Only you can bring Ebron into a DT thread... SMH.

 

[jdwills126]

I will clarify my position on last years draft that is looking much worse than originally believed.

When I say Mayhew should have drafted Donald I probably am being to specific. I would have liked to have seen Donald as a backup plan and strategic planning by the Lions. But the same could have been accomplished by drafting Jernigan in the second.

Mayhew takes a shit load of heat for the Ebron pick....and rightly so.....but I am questioning the Van Noy right about now. More specifically they had Whitehead and knew what he was all about. If they could not figure out he was a player after a couple of seasons then the Lions have a problem.

Van Noy may turn out to be a solid player but looking at what the Lions have I think Whitehead earned the starting spot with his play last year. Minus Tulloch getting cut opening up cash and spots for the LBs.

And for the record I liked the Van Noy pick but I am not a scout or coach that got to see Whitehead everyday at practice.

 

[Dr. Evil-er]

If we draft a player to replace Sims, though, we get a comp pick, likely a 3rd rounder based on how many games he started for us... A rookie and a 3rd or 4th round pick next year sounds better than Blaylock...

I can not believe he would be worth a 3rd comp pick.

That being said no one has yet mentioned just how interesting of a draft this one might be.

We are certainly in line for what should be multiple comp picks next year. That opens a unique door in this years draft. Suh will certainly fetch a 3rd and I do suspect that we will also end up with a fourth (and maybe even a fifth) in 2016.

Since the eternal optimists believe we are still a competitor then using our normal 3rd, 4th, and 5th rd picks in the 2016 draft to move up for a player this year becomes very possible, despite not having our 4th and 5th rd picks. If we are to be picking late in the order anyway as a playoff team then having to wait another 10-15 picks in those mid rounds to select using our comp picks isn't a big deal.

 

[tpaulus_2]

I can not believe he would be worth a 3rd comp pick.

That being said no one has yet mentioned just how interesting of a draft this one might be.

We are certainly in line for what should be multiple comp picks next year. That opens a unique door in this years draft. Suh will certainly fetch a 3rd and I do suspect that we will also end up with a fourth (and maybe even a fifth) in 2016.

Since the eternal optimists believe we are still a competitor then using our normal 3rd, 4th, and 5th rd picks in the 2016 draft to move up for a player this year becomes very possible, despite not having our 4th and 5th rd picks. If we are to be picking late in the order anyway as a playoff team then having to wait another 10-15 picks in those mid rounds to select using our comp picks isn't a big deal.

That's because you have an unnatural hatred for the guy.

Their formula isn't based on how well a guy played, it's based on how long they were a starter for you. Sims was a starter for us for five straight years, so he should fetch the maximum comp pick...

 

[Dr. Evil-er]

That's because you have an unnatural hatred for the guy.

Their formula isn't based on how well a guy played, it's based on how long they were a starter for you. Sims was a starter for us for five straight years, so he should fetch the maximum comp pick...

Then its a great trade. If that loser somehow fetches a 3rd its the best thing he has ever done for us. But someone has to sign him first, and I'm not sure that's any guarantee to happen.

 

[LionsWhyMe]

If that loser somehow fetches a 3rd its the best thing he has ever done for us.

We agree to disagree. Sims was definitely an upgrade over Manuel Ramirez. And once upon a time (a few years ago) Sims was the best asset on the Line. With all the needs the Lions needed Sims served his purpose to get other areas addressed. To call Sims a loser is to say Sims was always the weakest link, which wasn't so.

 

[Dr. Evil-er]

Their formula isn't based on how well a guy played, it's based on how long they were a starter for you. Sims was a starter for us for five straight years, so he should fetch the maximum comp pick...

Better review that formula.

There are more factors that are in the equation. Post seasons honors is one, he doesn't have any of those unless you count his numerous victories in chicken wing eating contests.

Salary is another one. I find nothing indicating that the salary component is position specific, and in fact it looks as if the salary is the one they sign for, not what they were paid by the losing team. Only 32 picks total are awarded (4 max to any one team), so what he will sign for (assuming he even signs) is not going to be anywhere near that of the players who fetch a 3rd.

As to his playing time, most of the FA's signed have been starters for years so he gets no advantages there. From the Over The Cap analysis and predictions they have Fairley earning a 5th. No way Sims does any better than that. 6th or 7th from him is more likely.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Better review that formula.

There are more factors that are in the equation. Post seasons honors is one, he doesn't have any of those unless you count his numerous victories in chicken wing eating contests.

Salary is another one. I find nothing indicating that the salary component is position specific, and in fact it looks as if the salary is the one they sign for, not what they were paid by the losing team. Only 32 picks total are awarded (4 max to any one team), so what he will sign for (assuming he even signs) is not going to be anywhere near that of the players who fetch a 3rd.

As to his playing time, most of the FA's signed have been starters for years so he gets no advantages there. From the Over The Cap analysis and predictions they have Fairley earning a 5th. No way Sims does any better than that. 6th or 7th from him is more likely.

Glad someone responded to the Sims being a 3rd round comp pick -- I was going to, but I know TP disappears from threads once someone points out the obvious to him.

If we ended up with a 5th, I would do cartwheels. No one knows the specifics of the comp pick equation, other than what factors into it. I'm going to say -- Rob Sims, while he was a good pick up, other than last year's performance -- he won't be grading out in the top tier for comp picks, unless the NFL lets Lions fans decide what we should get.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Only you can bring Ebron into a DT thread... SMH.

I thought I'd add a little humor to the thread. It was getting too serious. Who knows -- maybe we can pack a few pounds on Ebron and move him over to the DT position and he can use his speed and athleticism to blow past OL.

 

[tpaulus_2]

Then its a great trade. If that loser somehow fetches a 3rd its the best thing he has ever done for us. But someone has to sign him first, and I'm not sure that's any guarantee to happen.

I don't think anyone has to sign him... I'm pretty sure the same formula applies to retired players. Not positive on that, though...

 

[tpaulus_2]

Better review that formula.

There are more factors that are in the equation. Post seasons honors is one, he doesn't have any of those unless you count his numerous victories in chicken wing eating contests.

Salary is another one. I find nothing indicating that the salary component is position specific, and in fact it looks as if the salary is the one they sign for, not what they were paid by the losing team. Only 32 picks total are awarded (4 max to any one team), so what he will sign for (assuming he even signs) is not going to be anywhere near that of the players who fetch a 3rd.

As to his playing time, most of the FA's signed have been starters for years so he gets no advantages there. From the Over The Cap analysis and predictions they have Fairley earning a 5th. No way Sims does any better than that. 6th or 7th from him is more likely.

He should do better than Fairley based on playing way more snaps, but if you're correct about someone else needing to sign him in order to get said pick then we're probably looking at a 6th or 7th, because he's not going to get a starter-level deal with anyone...