POLL The Zeke Elliot Fiasco

[jarntt]

Jerry Jones did. Zeke got $50 million guaranteed. More than Gurley.

You sure Jerry caved?

I see it as a 4 year $50M contract if the Cowboys pull out after 4 years. That's $12.5M per year if true. That's a horrible deal for Zeke. Great that it would be fully guaranteed no doubt, but 4 years at $12M per???

 

[jarntt]

You sure Jerry caved?

I see it as a 4 year $50M contract if the Cowboys pull out after 4 years. That's $12.5M per year if true. That's a horrible deal for Zeke. Great that it would be fully guaranteed no doubt, but 4 years at $12M per???

It's funny that Gurley has a similar out. His can be 4 years and $49M. Basically the same deal and neither is the bad contract everyone makes them out to be.

 

[jarntt]

Stressing again. Zeke signed a 4 year contract for $12.5M per year. Is there anyone here who last week would have called that overpaying and Jerry caving? Anyone want to say it today?

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Stressing again. Zeke signed a 4 year contract for $12.5M per year. Is there anyone here who last week would have called that overpaying and Jerry caving? Anyone want to say it today?

Seems pretty good too me

 

[richig07]

Yep....top rusher 2 outta 3 years will do that in today's market

Except he's roughly above average.

 

[richig07]

Stressing again. Zeke signed a 4 year contract for $12.5M per year. Is there anyone here who last week would have called that overpaying and Jerry caving? Anyone want to say it today?

Why the fuck would you give a running back 12.5 mil per year? Why the fuck would you pay a RB anything of substance?

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Ezekiel Elliott

I see this as a 4 yr. 58 mil extension.
or including his other 2 years.
6 yrs 70.8 mil deal.

This deal doesnt hurt my feelings.

Really dont see the 25' 26' seasons meaning anything unless he is like peterson, in which case by then that salary will be a bargain.

 

[Dude]

The contract seems like a good deal for both sides. Zeke gets good pocket change for awhile, and the Cowboys did not cave. For Zeke to get good money over the next 5 years, he needs to produce. By then, one of the parties will opt-out of the contract.

 

[TheRangerDude]

Paying a RB is always stupid. So, criticism is more than fair and even warranted.

Especially a back who isn't elite in pass catching. Finishing 24th, unqualified (suspension) and 19th in yards per route run each of his three seasons.

Not to mention that advanced metrics strongly imply that the Cowboys run game isn't as strong as it should be with their O-line and that Zeke isn't nearly as good as most believe. He was 35th last season in Elusive Rating which is simply a combination of forced missed tackles and yards after contract/forced missed tackles.

The Cowboys averaged a negative -0.02 per Zeke run (-0.04 including playoffs). Dallas RB's performed 12th overall by this metric as a team. Which correlates offensive line performance with RB performance. (Expected Points Added)

Elliot is an above average running or "good" back masquerading as a perennial all-pro. Who shouldn't even be paid this money IF he was as good as advertised.



INB4 "LOL at advanced metrics because football is surely the only sport that archaic fans can continue denying advanced metrics for!"

I really hope he improves in yards after contract.

 

[Stomp]

Largest contract, but he is not the highest paid player.

Gurley was in the same situation Holding out after his 3rd year his contract gets reported as 4y/57m, but it was actually 6y/71.5m

The big difference is Gurley got all of his Bonus money right away and Zeke is deferring his until the end of his 2nd year to create room to sign other players now. The option bonus will have its cap hits spread across 2020-2024 instead of the 2019-2023 if it were a normal signing bonus.

Zekes new contract is the highest average, has the most guaranteed at signing, and has the highest practical guaranties of any RB contract ever

Year 1 of their contracts Gurley 22 million total vs Zeke 8.25 million total
Year 2 Gurley 27m vs Zeke 28
Year 3 Gurley 40m vs Zeke 37.7m
Year 4 Gurley 49m vs Zeke 50m

everything after this in both contracts is fluff and they will either get cut or will be holding out for new deals

 

[Stomp]

For reference

Todd Gurley

Ezekiel Elliott

 

[fordman84]

I see this as a 3/$37M deal that could easily become a 4/50 (where he will be 27 in the4th year). Nothing more. Those extra years at the end are not likely to be picked up and if they are then its because they are at that point, under the new CBA, bargain deals. Zeke's agent even knows this and that's why there is that stupid kicker in next years salary that adds the 2026 season. If Zeke does anything in the next two seasons that Dallas doesn't like, they just don't pick up the 2022 season and Zeke is out of here after 3 years. He was already under contract for 2 of them so this is a 1 year extension that dramatically lowers his cap hit this season. He's got $32M in those last two seasons which will never be seen.


Looking at the numbers, I'm not upset with this deal. Saves us money this year and next, gets him here for one more year though most likely 2 and then we are done with him. Gave him roughly $12M a year on a 4 year deal.

 

[Stomp]

Cutting him after year 3 would create 10.8 million in dead money

 

[fordman84]

Cutting him after year 3 would create 10.8 million in dead money

True, but cutting him after year 3 would still be a cap savings. It would carry dead money, but save $5M in cap space for 2022. Unlikely, but there is a cost advantage still to just having this be a 1 year extension. a 2 year extension to keep him through 2022 is the most likely scenario. Then if there is a new CBA you can reevaluate the deal after it is signed.

 

[jarntt]

Except he's roughly above average.

Please tell me you aren't referring to Zeke as "roughly above average". Please say that you at least have enough Football knowledge to know that is asinine or don't ever post on an NFL board again.

So let me ask you this. While playoff success hasn't really come yet, Dallas has won more games in the last 3 years than any NFC team. If Zeke is simply "roughly above average" you must laugh at all of the people here who say Dak is only good because of Zeke and surely you must think that Dak is one of the elite QBs in the league and carrying this average RB. Correct?

 

[jarntt]

Cutting him after year 3 would create 10.8 million in dead money

Not sure about that. The 2022 salary guarantees at the start of the 2021 year. So if they cut him after 2021 his dead money should be $23.2M. That only happens if something bad happens on or off the field. As I said above it's a 4 year $50M contract with a team option to extend each of the next 4 years. Fantastic deal for the Cowboys.

 

[Manster7588]

Not sure about that. The 2022 salary guarantees at the start of the 2021 year. So if they cut him after 2021 his dead money should be $23.2M. That only happens if something bad happens on or off the field. As I said above it's a 4 year $50M contract with a team option to extend each of the next 4 years. Fantastic deal for the Cowboys.

Yep, the team is on the hook for 4 years, then the team has full control for 4 additional years, while Zeke is under contract for 8 years.

 

[fordman84]

Not sure about that. The 2022 salary guarantees at the start of the 2021 year. So if they cut him after 2021 his dead money should be $23.2M. That only happens if something bad happens on or off the field. As I said above it's a 4 year $50M contract with a team option to extend each of the next 4 years. Fantastic deal for the Cowboys.

Not sure about the dead cap numbers. Check out OTC

Ezekiel Elliott Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money, and Contract History | Over The Cap

 

[dtgold88]

He signed the largest contract for a RB in the sport's history today. And you're trying to argue semantics about it being an extension that doesn't kick in for two years.

Not really, I even said he signed the highest contract.....but he's not the highest paid.

Not really debatable, nor is this semantics. And the headline "Zeke is highest paid RB" will get clicks from guys like you (who are the target and the majority who click). Moreso than "Zeke will be highest paid RB when his deal kicks in so long as no one passes him in next 2-3 years"

 

[jarntt]

Not sure about the dead cap numbers. Check out OTC

Ezekiel Elliott Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money, and Contract History | Over The Cap

If on the roster on the 5th day of the 2020 league year his 2021 salary becomes guaranteed and if on the roster on the 5th day of the 2021 league year his 2022 salary will be fully guaranteed.