So Urban Meyer didn't lie.

[7Samurai13]

aaron hernandez killed a guy

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

By all means, I happily will invite you to show me even a single instance under Urban Meyer where a player plead guilty to not only misdemeanor assault and battery against a woman, but an additional felony on top of that. Please, please, go ahead and find even one of these "countless" instances.

Dude, it took literally one google search. And there were other names I found that I didn't even bother to look into because I already found two.

Carlos Hyde:
Ohio State's Carlos Hyde suspended for three games

Bradley Roby
Ohio State's Roby has battery charge reduced

FYI -- the Felony in the case of Perry was for resisting arrest, not for anything to do with the actual assault.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

So you admit your biased & then you try to say your bias isn't playing a part here when it involves the school you hate? Get the fuck outta here w/ that bullshit.

I hate Urban, but am able to look at a situation where a coach is lying blatantly to the press to cover up the fact that he let this guy remain on staff and am able to say that he probably should be a coach on any major football team ever again. OSU is bigger than Urban Meyer and was kicking our ass prior to him even getting there.

What you're suggesting is that even if Urban killed a guy, my opinion that he should go to jail is void because I hate him already. That's a stupid opinion to have.

 

[KingKoolKat75]

Are you serious right now? She didn’t accuse UF of anything, it was two of Urban Meyer’s closest friends who she said convinced her not to follow thru with the charges in 2009 and she named who it was.

And OSU should talk to her because she is the victim and to get her side of the story. What is the point of reporting it to the school if the only side you get is from the accused?

In her interview she said Zach's family and a lawyer and lawyer for the UF players. I assume it wasn't Meyer paying for this lawyer.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

That's a stupid opinion to have.

@Wamu, I'd listen to him here. Guy's a fucking expert at stupid opinions.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

@Wamu, I'd listen to him here. Guy's a fucking expert at stupid opinions.

Those are reserved for Ohio State fans:

 

[Wamu]

What you're suggesting is that even if Urban killed a guy, my opinion that he should go to jail is void because I hate him already. That's a stupid opinion to have.

I haven't suggested anything, you're making stuff up. This comment right here is why you're undeniably insane.

So you just tried to compare Meyer lying to the media (which coaches do all the time, Mike Wilbon on PTI said it yesterday) to if he would have killed someone? In what universe are lying to the media & killing someone remotely the same? That's a drastic jump & the conclusion of a crazy person. Go get the help you so badly need.

 

[ellupo]

Dude, it took literally one google search. And there were other names I found that I didn't even bother to look into because I already found two.

Carlos Hyde:
Ohio State's Carlos Hyde suspended for three games

Bradley Roby
Ohio State's Roby has battery charge reduced

FYI -- the Felony in the case of Perry was for resisting arrest, not for anything to do with the actual assault.

Ok Im confused where did Hyde plead guilty as was asked for you to show?

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Yeah, that's not a real good look, but honestly, it's no worse to me than the folks like you and socialjim who've already convicted Smith and Meyer.

Personally, I wouldn't be backing any horse -- Z Smith, C Smith or Meyer -- until I get more details.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I haven't suggested anything, you're making stuff up. This comment right here is why you're undeniably insane.

So you just tried to compare Meyer lying to the media (which coaches do all the time, Mike Wilbon on PTI said it yesterday) to if he would have killed someone? In what universe are lying to the media & killing someone remotely the same? That's a drastic jump & the conclusion of a crazy person. Go get the help you so badly need.

Reductio ad absurdum

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Reductio ad absurdum

Just stop it. You're not fooling anyone here.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Ok Im confused where did Hyde plead guilty as was asked for you to show?

So you (he?) want me to find a case of an OSU player standing in line at a bar, grabbing a girl's privates and then running away from cops -- that specific? That's dumb. I found two easy examples of OSU players in similar situations. It's still rare but it happens at every major school. One kid does something bad, gets in trouble with the law and then put on some sort of team suspension until they prove themselves again. It's not unusual or unprecedented at all.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Just stop it. You're not fooling anyone here.

I'm at minimum fooling wamu because he's an 80 year old who doesn't understand the internet.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

In her interview she said Zach's family and a lawyer and lawyer for the UF players. I assume it wasn't Meyer paying for this lawyer.

It was longtime Urban Meyer assistant Hiram De Fries who talked to her in 2009. He told her if she followed thru with the charges, Smith would never coach again.

Are you just making stuff up as you go?

 

[Across The Field]

Dude, it took literally one google search. And there were other names I found that I didn't even bother to look into because I already found two.

Carlos Hyde:
Ohio State's Carlos Hyde suspended for three games

Bradley Roby
Ohio State's Roby has battery charge reduced

FYI -- the Felony in the case of Perry was for resisting arrest, not for anything to do with the actual assault.

God this was such a failure on your part. Neither of them were convicted of anything close to a felony, and Hyde wasn't convicted of anything because video evidence exonerated him entirely. Roby plead guilty to disorderly conduct. Yet you think this is the same as assault and battery on a woman and an additional felony? Do you even have a brain?

So you (he?) want me to find a case of an OSU player standing in line at a bar, grabbing a girl's privates and then running away from cops -- that specific? That's dumb. I found two easy examples of OSU players in similar situations. It's still rare but it happens at every major school. One kid does something bad, gets in trouble with the law and then put on some sort of team suspension until they prove themselves again. It's not unusual or unprecedented at all.

1. No you didn't. You didn't find a single case of a player pleading guilty to a felony, which is what you said you could find "countless examples of"
2. If Hyde was found guilty, he was off the team. Urban suspended him indefinitely when the allegations first came out. Only after he was exonerated was he allowed back on the team. Otherwise he was gone. Harbaugh is much more lax.

 

[KingKoolKat75]

It was longtime Urban Meyer assistant Hiram De Fries who talked to her in 2009. He told her if she followed thru with the charges, Smith would never coach again.

Doesn't change the fact that it would be very stupid to send OSU lawyers to talk to Courtney Smith.

Are you just making stuff up as you go?

No...I'm just admitting I don't know every fact in this case.

 

[Across The Field]

It was longtime Urban Meyer assistant Hiram De Fries who talked to her in 2009. He told her if she followed thru with the charges, Smith would never coach again.

Are you just making stuff up as you go?

Are you? Because I have yet to see a single shred of evidence whatsoever that this allegation is true.

And OSU should talk to her because she is the victim and to get her side of the story. What is the point of reporting it to the school if the only side you get is from the accused?

They went to the actual police, which is the appropriate thing to do. They are her side of the story, and she had every chance to file official charges of him beating her and she didn't do it.

 

[Across The Field]

Doesn't change the fact that it would be very stupid to send OSU lawyers to talk to Courtney Smith.

I have no idea why people think this sort of thing is what normally happens.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

First off, he actually didn't backtrack. The thing that people continue to gloss over is that Brett McMurphy reported that Smith was “arrested Oct. 26, 2015 by the Powell (Ohio) Police Department on felony counts of domestic violence and felonious assault against Courtney Smith”. This is what was brought up. This never happened - he was never arrested and no charges were filed, so Urban saying he knew nothing about it happening wasn't a lie at all.

Secondly, where are you coming from saying it's the school's job to reach out to her on a supposed criminal matter? They work with local law enforcement. Reaching out to her to open mitigation on a matter that was never tried and never resulted in even charges being brought is well outside of their scope. What were they gonna do, ask her what happened and just get her side? Doesn't seem fair. That's what we have cops, lawyers, and judges for.

They may or may not report it if they can definitively prove he didn't report it. Fact is, the SJW force is actually trying to say Urban is trying to cover up abuse or was guilty of not stopping it, which is just absolutely absurd. Unfortunately the irrational SJW crowd has a loud, petulant voice.

Just so I have this straight — NOW he didn’t lie at B1G media day when he said he knew nothing about any incident in 2015. And you are seriously trying to say you don’t have on scarlet glasses right now? Here is Meyer’s quote:
I was never told about anything, nothing ever came to light, never had a conversation about, so I know nothing.
I will say this — I give you props for the unlimited amount of excuses you are coming up with along the way. Urban Meyer, himself, issued a statement saying he wasn’t truthful, yet you still have an excuse ready.

It isn’t a criminal matter unless she presses charges. In Domestic Abuse cases, many times the woman won’t press charges out of fear or stupidity because they think they can change a person. If the school isn’t going to get her side of the story, why in the world would you even report it in the first place? What does the conversation look like with the compliance office — just a heads up, a coaches wife has said repeatedly he is abusing her, but the coach says it is a lie?!? Then just close the book on it? The school is paying his salary, the school has a reputation to uphold, the school is filled with female students who potentionally could be around him. Urban Meyer is supposedly good friends with the family. Not calling to get her side of the story makes no sense at all?!?

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

God this was such a failure on your part. Neither of them were convicted of anything close to a felony, and Hyde wasn't convicted of anything because video evidence exonerated him entirely. Roby plead guilty to disorderly conduct. Yet you think this is the same as assault and battery on a woman and an additional felony? Do you even have a brain?


1. No you didn't. You didn't find a single case of a player pleading guilty to a felony, which is what you said you could find "countless examples of"
2. If Hyde was found guilty, he was off the team. Urban suspended him indefinitely when the allegations first came out. Only after he was exonerated was he allowed back on the team. Otherwise he was gone. Harbaugh is much more lax.

Ok. The only reason that's true is because Roby's charges were lowered to a misdemeanor instead of a felony. You're really splitting hairs here. What Perry did was wrong, and (like I said) it was a toss up whether or not he should stay on the team. He got probation, suspended from games, was unable to participate in football activities for months and slowly got back in good graces to join the team again. Harbaugh was also very clear about his standing throughout the process. Perry also has the chance to have it all completely removed from his record assuming he gets to age 24 without any further issues.

Ultimately Urban kept a known, perpetual, wife beater with a restraining order on his staff and hid that information from the public, then lied about it. Trying to suggest that's anything like allowing a kid who made a mistake to openly face punishments for that and work his way back on the team is a stupid argument to make.