Dez Meets Jerry

[jarntt]

Yes but look at his stats with Romo. Romo was 70% in 2014. 64% to Dez. In 2013, 64% , 58 % to Dez.

Point? 9% lower to Dez for Romo versus 22% lower with Dak in 2016 is the same?
That was 4 years ago. He's had injuries and slowed down. Did you watch him try to catch balls downfield last year. Did you watch him try to even get downfield without a CB glued to him and with no thought to even bother double-teaming him? You need to get out of the past.

Plus the big picture isn't is the depth chart better with or without Dez. The big picture is is the team is better and that includes the $25M in savings with him gone.

 

[jarntt]

I would say most QBs completion numbers are a lot better to RBs and TEs compared to WRs

Probably but isn't it normally better to your better WRs too?
Also, Dak probably threw to his RBs and TEs less than Romo. Dak probably also threw less to his TEs and RBs than teh average QB but not sure where to find that stat

 

[jarntt]

I was going to post something on this the other day but decided not to because I didn't want to "pile on" with Dez.

Now that jarntt has, there's more statistical evidence that it was the right move to cut Dez...

1) when throwing to Dez, Dak was was twice as likely to be picked off as when throwing to all the other receivers;

2) when throwing to Dez, Dak's passer rating was just below NFL average, as opposed to when throwing to all other receivers he was in the top five;

3) when throwing to Dez, passes were nearly twice as likely to be drops (as in "not an errant pass") as when throwing to all the other receivers.

There are other stats that become further weight, but with what jarntt posted and these, it's more than enough evidence that it was the right move, if for no other reason than the money saved in comparison to the production received.

But if we don't find a way to blame Dak we can't still pretend we would be better off with Romo as QB
The scapegoat comment was cute. It's called discussing a huge decision the team just made and trying to decide if it is going to work out or not and we are worried about Dez's feelings. He didn't give a shit about anyone else on his way out the door. Heck, I'll go into the distraction he was to the team and how much of a jackass he looked like all last year by talking shit to guys that were literally laughing at him because they were flat out owning him play after play and he was acting like he had something to talk about. But that is opinion and I was trying to stick with non-disputable facts.

 

[Eiknarflin]

Point? 9% lower to Dez for Romo versus 22% lower with Dak in 2016 is the same?
That was 4 years ago. He's had injuries and slowed down. Did you watch him try to catch balls downfield last year. Did you watch him try to even get downfield without a CB glued to him and with no thought to even bother double-teaming him? You need to get out of the past.

Plus the big picture isn't is the depth chart better with or without Dez. The big picture is is the team is better and that includes the $25M in savings with him gone.

That's part of the issue I think some are having. They are looking at stats instead of looking at the game like the business it is. NFL teams are in the business of winning games and, hopefully, championships. They aren't in the business of looking best on paper or in opinions. They aren't in the business of hanging on to players who do adjust when their physical attributes start to decline.

As some have rightly pointed out in the past, this is a "what have you done for me lately" game. Dez just hasn't done it lately and there is no way to pin that on Dak.

Dak has some more maturing to do. IMO, he will best accomplish that without having to compensate for Dez's lack of growing up.

 

[jarntt]

The last guy we had that realized his time in the sun was done said Football is a Meritocracy. At least he got it.

 

[jarntt]

My guess was Dez either got signed this weekend by a team his agent had already spoken with before the release just in case or wouldn't happen until after the draft. So I guess maybe after the draft is now my guess. If it was such a dumb move by Dallas I would have expected someone to jump on him immediately and brought him in yesterday to not risk losing him to another team. I actually hope he gets signed this week because I do worry about his mindset right now. He was always teetering on a blowup and you can see it on his twitter account.

 

[ROMOTOOWENS]

Point? 9% lower to Dez for Romo versus 22% lower with Dak in 2016 is the same?
That was 4 years ago. He's had injuries and slowed down. Did you watch him try to catch balls downfield last year. Did you watch him try to even get downfield without a CB glued to him and with no thought to even bother double-teaming him? You need to get out of the past.

Plus the big picture isn't is the depth chart better with or without Dez. The big picture is is the team is better and that includes the $25M in savings with him gone.

Not in the past at all. WRs run different patterns than TEs and Backs. It's common sense to know the percentages will be lower to them. That's all I was saying. Dez is our franchise leader in TD receptions. That won't change for a long, long time. I appreciate his time here.

 

[Eiknarflin]

That's the thing, jarntt. If Dez was so important to Dallas, surely teams would be lining up to sign him ASAP. That's not what we are witnessing, though.

Like you, I'm hoping something positive happens for Dez. I hate to see a young man who has come so far get bogged down into bitterness. Being opposed to him being Dallas' #1 WR is not the same thing as being opposed to him as a human being.

If nothing else, I hope that Jerry offers him some sort of olive branch that will allow him to ponder his life choices. I wouldn't even mind seeing Jerry offer him another contract, say at around 4-5 mill per year. Is that possible???

I wonder if Dez's ego could handle it.

 

[Manster7588]

I would say most QBs completion numbers are a lot better to RBs and TEs compared to WRs

Unless Witten racked up 100 receptions this argument does you no good.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Not in the past at all. WRs run different patterns than TEs and Backs. It's common sense to know the percentages will be lower to them. That's all I was saying. Dez is our franchise leader in TD receptions. That won't change for a long, long time. I appreciate his time here.

Pretty sure Witten isnt far behind him.
It would be quite possible it changes this season. So not sure what you mean by a long long time?

 

[ROMOTOOWENS]

Unless Witten racked up 100 receptions this argument does you no good.

Not sure what Wit has to do with anything. He runs a 7yd curl- a very high % pass. Let's look at Atlanta and since Julio is considered by many a top 1-2 WR in the league let's look at him. Guess what besides a back up fullback he has the lowest catch % on his team at 59. Look I'm not trying to knock Dak or Dez. These were just bull Shit stats thrown out there. I mean I agree 52% is not very good but I think you will find that in a lot of WRs . I think Antonio Brown was 63%. Leveon Bell was 80%.

 

[ROMOTOOWENS]

Pretty sure Witten isnt far behind him.
It would be quite possible it changes this season. So not sure what you mean by a long long time?

Yep I imagine Wit is pretty close. I was thinking more WRs at the time but Wit is around that number.

 

[ROMOTOOWENS]

Unless Witten racked up 100 receptions this argument does you no good.

Witten over 70 %

Beasley 57%

Oh me look at this - the sorry ass TWill that everyone thinks is terrible- 67 %

 

[TheStarOne]

In 2014........ Romo threw to TEs......110 targets....78 Receptions.......857 yards
In 2016......Prescott threw to TEs......111 targets......80 Receptions........776 yards


Romo 2014 .......targeted RBs .....91 times.......79 Receptions.......656 yards
Dak 2016......targeted RBs .......78 times ...57 Receptions.....525 yards

Romo to Bryant 2014..........targeted 136 times......88 Receptions......1320 yards.....15.0 YPC.....16 TDs
Prescott to Bryant 2016.....targeted 96 times..........50 Receptions......796 Yards.....15.9 YPC....8 TDs

Bryant was healthier in 2014

Demarco Murray.....1845 yards rushing
Ezekiel Elliot........1631 yards rushing

The Emmy nominee 2014 ......69.7% CP.....34 TDs.....9 Picks...3705 yards passing....113.2 PR
Dak 2016...............67.8 % CP......23 TDs.......4 Picks....3667 yards passing...104.9 PR

Two great QB seasons.........very little defense

 

[Manster7588]

Not sure what Wit has to do with anything. He runs a 7yd curl- a very high % pass. Let's look at Atlanta and since Julio is considered by many a top 1-2 WR in the league let's look at him. Guess what besides a back up fullback he has the lowest catch % on his team at 59. Look I'm not trying to knock Dak or Dez. These were just bull Shit stats thrown out there. I mean I agree 52% is not very good but I think you will find that in a lot of WRs . I think Antonio Brown was 63%. Leveon Bell was 80%.

You said passing % is higher when you throw to RB's and TE's, Dak didn't throw too many passes to his RB's so to make your argument have legs to stand on he must have loaded up throwing to TE's.

 

[Manster7588]

Witten over 70 %

Beasley 57%

Oh me look at this - the sorry ass TWill that everyone thinks is terrible- 67 %

How is this helping you % is higher to RB/TE's statement. Beasley runs those same short routes vs long WR routes you're using as why as to Dez's percent is low.

 

[Eiknarflin]

Beasley's catch percentage was way down last year - everyone knows this.

The question is why? His percentage was down because defenses knew they didn't have to double Dez (who still had unimpressive numbers) so they could take away the crossing routes that Beasley typically excels in.

 

[UK Cowboy]

My guess was Dez either got signed this weekend by a team his agent had already spoken with before the release just in case or wouldn't happen until after the draft. So I guess maybe after the draft is now my guess. If it was such a dumb move by Dallas I would have expected someone to jump on him immediately and brought him in yesterday to not risk losing him to another team. I actually hope he gets signed this week because I do worry about his mindset right now. He was always teetering on a blowup and you can see it on his twitter account.

Wait, I thought there was going to be a mad rush to sign this elite #1 receiver...

 

[DALLAScornhusker]

I don't see Dez signing within the division unless its with Washington. Probably not many teams want to sign him before the draft. I'm guessing that might be better for Dez's situation also.

 

[ROMOTOOWENS]

How is this helping you % is higher to RB/TE's statement. Beasley runs those same short routes vs long WR routes you're using as why as to Dez's percent is low.

I'm talking Qbs in general. I'm not knocking Dak. Qbs, for the most part, are going to complete a higher percentage of passes that are shorter routes. That's common sense. I didn't just use Dez. I used Julio too. There are plenty of stats out there. This just isn't one that really makes me think any different in Dez.