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[Stymietee]

We shall see how "sincere" the Redskins are the first 2 months of next season about signing Kirk long term. That deal will start at $28M for next season with the following years guaranteed money also in the equation so likely topping $60M (which we all know KC's camp will not agree to a 2 year deal as he stated) so in all likely hood, the guaranteed money will have to top $75M for him to sign ANY LTD next off season.

Not gonna happen, best to put Kirk on the Non-exclusive tag, knowing that they won't match but will get compensation for him. Here's a question for everyone STILL holding out hope that this organization will do a 180 on all previous attempts at signing Kirk to a long term deal. On what basis are you guys placing that hope?

 

[Calm]

Yes, yes they did make fair offers, just NOT what it appears a lot of folks consider "Fair" Essentially, they have repeatedly said to Kirk and anyone paying attention, "This is what we believe you're worth!" from their perspective those offers were "fair." From the perspective of Kirk and others, everything that they offered him was a non starter, so year after year the dance continued to no avail.

They didn't want to lose him and believed that he, not them, would cave and accept their offers. In fact they were willing to pay the CBA mandated tag amounts in order to give him time to reconsider. Fire Bruce Allen, absolutely!! but if I'm Kirk I would strongly consider getting new representation, now that my money is in the bank. For anyone interested, I'll answer the Why?? question in subsequent posts if requested.

If you/they consider below market value as fair, then I guess it's no surprise he hasn't been signed.

This may be his one and only shot at a big time deal. If the player goes out of his way to accept a below market deal that's one thing, but any agent who suggests that the players he represents should sign below market likely won't be an agent for long. The agent's job is to get his client the most money possible. And he's supposed to sell his client on $300,000 more than the tag values?

 

[skinsdad62]

And this ^^^^ has been my whole point all along. Take anything he says with a grain of salt. Not calling him a liar, none of us truly know how he feels. But in my opinion he doesn't want to be here, if he did, he and his agent would have been engaged in a little more dialogue. Just my opinion.

It's hard for me to understand why most of you are completely discounting the possibility that anything Cuz would say would be "partly true". That he is just saying what needs to be said for his best interests.

I have no doubt KC would be open to signing long term as a Skin, if A, B, C, D, E & F happen.

i would buy it but twice before the fO led by BA nixed way cheaper deals that were in place . its 100% on the FO period

 

[Stymietee]

If you/they consider below market value as fair, then I guess it's no surprise he hasn't been signed.

This may be his one and only shot at a big time deal. If the player goes out of his way to accept a below market deal that's one thing, but any agent who suggests that the players he represents should sign below market likely won't be an agent for long. The agent's job is to get his client the most money possible. And he's supposed to sell his client on $300,000 more than the tag values?

Think about that for a moment, if that's all that they have been offering, what else could it be other than "fair" from their perspective? (Not mine) BTW: There is absolutely NO market value to speak of, the tag numbers are what has been collectively bargained for. The "market" is set by these privately held organizations and what they are willing to pay for supposed talent. There would be no need to NEGOTIATE if the tag numbers set the market. There is no proof to the contrary that now what's being called a "lowball" offer is exactly what the organization believes his worth to them is. They ONLY pay the tag amounts because the have to in order to keep him around long enough to convince him to sign for what's being offered. Are they wrong? from my perspective YEP!!, from their perspective, NOPE!!

Believe it or not, after careful consideration dating back to 2015, there is ONLY one reason why the team has made these so-called "lowball" offers and that is because, they've placed a value on Kirk in the Gruden system.

 

[Sleepy T]

Yes, yes they did make fair offers, just NOT what it appears a lot of folks consider "Fair" Essentially, they have repeatedly said to Kirk and anyone paying attention, "This is what we believe you're worth!" from their perspective those offers were "fair." From the perspective of Kirk and others, everything that they offered him was a non starter, so year after year the dance continued to no avail.

They didn't want to lose him and believed that he, not them, would cave and accept their offers. In fact they were willing to pay the CBA mandated tag amounts in order to give him time to reconsider. Fire Bruce Allen, absolutely!! but if I'm Kirk I would strongly consider getting new representation, now that my money is in the bank. For anyone interested, I'll answer the Why?? question in subsequent posts if requested.

I agree with your sentiment on his agent. Why do you think so.. just curious.

 

[skinsdad62]

it wasnt a fair offer at all . no way to spin that

 

[Stymietee]

I agree with your sentiment on his agent. Why do you think so.. just curious.

Any agent worth his salt who believes that a long term deal is in the best interest of his client would have gone through hell and high water to make that deal a reality. You know what we didn't hear coming from any reports on this situation as we've often heard around the league in other situations? NO reports of the team and Kirk Cousins are $$$$ far apart in negotiations! Not once, not ever to this point. Each side stated either an offering or a starting point and left it there, That's NOT negotiating!! If I was his agent, Bruce and Dan would have had to call DCMP, VMPD or whichever just to get time alone in the shitter if I believed a long term deal was in the best interest of my client. a public squabble doesn't phase me at all if it serves my client's best interest, after all, when you have leverage and don't use it to pressure the buyer, what good is it?

 

[GNG]

IMO Kc would have not signed a fair offer if offered.

It's Tebow Time.

 

[Calm]

Think about that for a moment, if that's all that they have been offering, what else could it be other than "fair" from their perspective? (Not mine) BTW: There is absolutely NO market value to speak of, the tag numbers are what has been collectively bargained for. The "market" is set by these privately held organizations and what they are willing to pay for supposed talent. There would be no need to NEGOTIATE if the tag numbers set the market. There is no proof to the contrary that now what's being called a "lowball" offer is exactly what the organization believes his worth to them is. They ONLY pay the tag amounts because the have to in order to keep him around long enough to convince him to sign for what's being offered. Are they wrong? from my perspective YEP!!, from their perspective, NOPE!!

Believe it or not, after careful consideration dating back to 2015, there is ONLY one reason why the team has made these so-called "lowball" offers and that is because, they've placed a value on Kirk in the Gruden system.

I think everyone pretty much agrees that "fair market value" is the going rate for similar players, i.e. what they are signing long-term extensions for, or what the "market" would pay if he were free to sign anywhere. And when you look at the deals shitty QB's like Osweiler and Glennon got on the open market, it's not crazy to think the market for Cousins would be significant.

Washington wants a good QB at below market value. That's great, if they can convince a good player to take below market money.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

The love of one washed up QB named RG3 has skewed the opinions of several folks on this forum. No doubt if you replaced Cousins with his name they would not be making the same arguments. Pretty hilarious.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

how much did kirk make last year and how much is kirk making this year you have to factor that in so in 2 years he has made like 44 mill he is being respected anyways lets let this playout

 

[Stymietee]

I think everyone pretty much agrees that "fair market value" is the going rate for similar players, i.e. what they are signing long-term extensions for, or what the "market" would pay if he were free to sign anywhere. And when you look at the deals shitty QB's like Osweiler and Glennon got on the open market, it's not crazy to think the market for Cousins would be significant.

Washington wants a good QB at below market value. That's great, if they can convince a good player to take below market money.

Welcome to our version of Walmart, who's slogan happens to be ""Always Low Prices" and now the new slogan ""Save Money. Live Better." Unfortunately, NFL owners who all take exception to that characterization, yearly make players free agents, by not being willing to pay what's otherwise deemed a "fair market value" In as much as I, like many others want to insist that there is such a thing, these owners are don't play by those arbitrary standards. THEY set the market, the perceived market doesn't dictate to them. Not once did they offer Cousins what's being deemed a "fair market offer." What they did do, in offering kirk what they did, was one giant, "you don't dictate to us, so take your fuckin' leverage and go screw yourself." We all know this, but if there are some who still want to argue what they "should" have done, so be it.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Speak the truth Shannon! Well said.

 

[Stymietee]

it wasnt a fair offer at all . no way to spin that

Agreed from your perspective, mine and others.

Disagree from the perspective of the organization. In fact their newly minted hire Doug Williams said so. Give me a second and I'll give you the quote.

 

[Stymietee]

it wasnt a fair offer at all . no way to spin that

Here's that Doug Williams quote: (If this didn't represent the organizational position, his ass is baked)


,….”All I can do is hope and pray that Kirk looks at the big picture and looks at this football team and realizes we do have a pretty solid football team, solid offensive line, he’s got something to work with.”

 

[Sharkinva]

how much did kirk make last year and how much is kirk making this year you have to factor that in so in 2 years he has made like 44 mill he is being respected anyways lets let this playout

You realize that would be like your boss saying... well we over paid you last year. So we want you to take a pay cut this year to balance things out. And if you wont take a pay cut, we will pay you more and force you to stay here until you realize that you are worth less than what we have been paying you.

 

[Sharkinva]

Speak the truth Shannon! Well said.

Bruce named him Kurt.. .that took back all the leverage.

 

[Mitziman]

like not using words such as “winning” or “championships”?. Kind of strange don’t you think? Kirk is on record as saying “it’s not about money”, and “I think it was a fair offer” KC.

IMO, Kirk deserves to be paid as one of the top players at his position in the league. But as that QB, and face of the franchise of one of the most storied teams in the league, don’t you think he should mix in a few “winning” and “championship” words to his vocabulary when being interviewed?

Maybe, he should have said “I would love to be here winning championships with the Redskins long term”. Instead of “I would love to be with the Redskins long term” KC …then perhaps, everyone on all sides of the fence might feel a little better.

 

[Sportster 72]

You might not have listened to the entire interview.

 

[Sharkinva]

OK from this moment, I think we should just refer to the QB as Frog...

Because his every word, action or Play is going to be dissected to living fuck.

And no @Mitziman this wasnt just directed at you.

But Im going to say it now...

I expect Kirk to improve this year. I expect the team as a whole to improve. And I expect there will still be a portion of people calling for his head on a platter because he will either cost too much, still not be good enough or was propped up by the rest of the team.

So hence forth, I nominate we refer to him as

Da frog.