Eddie Lacy

[HaroldSeattle]

Well mostly just throwing out thoughts for the up coming season, but I do really think it's time to let the RBs do the running and let RW concentrate on the passing aspect of the game. On paper, the Seahawks have lots of weapons. Lacy-Rawls-Prosise for RBs sounds promising. Baldwin, Lockett, Richardson, and the rookie Darboh for WRs. Graham,
Willson and Vannett at TE. That's a promising group and if Wilson is running rather then throwing, then those weapons aren't being utilized IMO.
However just musing on what I would like to see.

 

[Screamin12th]

Well mostly just throwing out thoughts for the up coming season, but I do really think it's time to let the RBs do the running and let RW concentrate on the passing aspect of the game. On paper, the Seahawks have lots of weapons. Lacy-Rawls-Prosise for RBs sounds promising. Baldwin, Lockett, Richardson, and the rookie Darboh for WRs. Graham,
Wilson and Vannett at TE. That's a promising group and if Wilson is running rather then throwing, then those weapons aren't being utilized IMO.
However just musing on what I would like to see.

Ok Harold you forgot a L there TE WiLLson is the double L :P sorry had to do it lol

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Ok Harold you forgot a L there TE WiLLson is the double L :P sorry had to do it lol

I swear to god I put two Ls there, I blame it on autocorrect. Honest!

 

[Screamin12th]

Yeah we got the law firm of Wilson & Willson on the offense.

 

[JMR]

Well mostly just throwing out thoughts for the up coming season, but I do really think it's time to let the RBs do the running and let RW concentrate on the passing aspect of the game.

Curious -- where exactly is this coming from? RW barely ran at all last year, at least in terms of designed stuff. When this team was atop the league in rushing, the main difference between us and the teams around the middle of that stat was we had a QB that was getting 500+ yards a year. Trade out Russell for pretty much any other QB in the league (save maybe Cam Newton) from '12-'14, and we were a slightly above avg rushing offense even with Lynch's good seasons.

Russell certainly shouldn't be the leading ballcarrier, but he never has been. I do agree that there are plenty of other weapons in the backfield that will help the O, but the threat of RW's running ability is one thing that really sets this offense apart when it's going well.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

It was just a idea that came to me when thinking about 2015 season. I was impressed with the way the Seahawks changed the offense due to injuries and other things. Also was delighted with how the offense was so effective with RW throwing the ball from the pocket. I'd like to see them try that again, only with a good RB corp to help.

Funny you should mention Cam Newton, another QB that runs with the ball, he got injured and had to have surgery. Now the Panthers are saying he'll run much less. Also Marcus Mariota yet another QB that runs with the ball ended up with a broken leg.

I think the Seahawks offense could be very effective without RW running the ball. Maybe that hurts the run game, but that could balanced with a better passing offense. I didn't realize that idea would be shot down with such vigor. Personally don't feel it's that radical.

 

[Uhsplit]

RW running the ball is a huge threat and I think as long as he is healthy he should be used in that regard. The opposing DC, his D coaches, and his defense has to spend plenty of time game planning for the R/O if we show a pattern of using it. The more time spent on planning for the R/O gives that much less time to plan for the other things Bevell likes to employ in our run and pass game.
There is a balance, and using the R/O just enough to make the opposing D concentrate on it should suffice.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

RW running the ball is a huge threat and I think as long as he is healthy he should be used in that regard. The opposing DC, his D coaches, and his defense has to spend plenty of time game planning for the R/O if we show a pattern of using it. The more time spent on planning for the R/O gives that much less time to plan for the other things Bevell likes to employ in our run and pass game.
There is a balance, and using the R/O just enough to make the opposing D concentrate on it should suffice.

As long as he he is healthy? Is that wise? A QB running the ball is for the young, eventually they got to evolve to a passing QB or fail IMO. RG, Kaep, Cam, Mariota to name a few running QBs should serve as examples, evolve or fail. Remember Steve Young? He wasn't great until he evoked. RW is very capable of being a pocket passer and excelling at it. At the age of 28 I think it's time. For sure the Seahawks can't count on his running abilities long term. There is a reason some QBs last close to 40, but you start worrying about RBs at 28. It's about the punishment you take carrying the rock.

 

[JMR]

It was just a idea that came to me when thinking about 2015 season. I was impressed with the way the Seahawks changed the offense due to injuries and other things. Also was delighted with how the offense was so effective with RW throwing the ball from the pocket. I'd like to see them try that again, only with a good RB corp to help.

Funny you should mention Cam Newton, another QB that runs with the ball, he got injured and had to have surgery. Now the Panthers are saying he'll run much less. Also Marcus Mariota yet another QB that runs with the ball ended up with a broken leg.

I think the Seahawks offense could be very effective without RW running the ball. Maybe that hurts the run game, but that could balanced with a better passing offense. I didn't realize that idea would be shot down with such vigor. Personally don't feel it's that radical.

Shot down with such vigor?? That's a bit melodramatic, don't ya think? I just asked why you made the comment and mentioned with zero emotion (and nowhere close to "shooting you down") how much of a threat that element of our offense has been. I don't seem to be alone there, either. Sheesh.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Shot down with such vigor?? That's a bit melodramatic, don't ya think? I just asked why you made the comment and mentioned with zero emotion (and nowhere close to "shooting you down") how much of a threat that element of our offense has been. I don't seem to be alone there, either. Sheesh.

That comment wasn't aimed at any individual and perhaps was a bit of hyperbole but certainly wasn't well received.

 

[JMR]

That comment wasn't aimed at any individual and perhaps was a bit of hyperbole but certainly wasn't well received.

I asked a simple question, that's it. And I even agreed with a chunk of what you said in the process.

I dunno, it's starting to seem like you just wanted to throw something out there and not have anyone respond to it. Either that or you were looking for affirmation.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I asked a simple question, that's it. And I even agreed with a chunk of what you said in the process.

I dunno, it's starting to seem like you just wanted to throw something out there and not have anyone respond to it. Either that or you were looking for affirmation.

Naa just making conversation during the off season. Definitely wanted responses, would of been nice to see someone agree with me, but not necessary. I like a good debate and that's all I was going for.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

As long as he he is healthy? Is that wise? A QB running the ball is for the young, eventually they got to evolve to a passing QB or fail IMO. RG, Kaep, Cam, Mariota to name a few running QBs should serve as examples, evolve or fail. Remember Steve Young? He wasn't great until he evoked. RW is very capable of being a pocket passer and excelling at it. At the age of 28 I think it's time. For sure the Seahawks can't count on his running abilities long term. There is a reason some QBs last close to 40, but you start worrying about RBs at 28. It's about the punishment you take carrying the rock.

Big difference between RW and the rest mentioned. RG3, Kap, and Cam took the hits on the run to gain that extra yard and getting banged up more often. RW takes what the D gives him then gets down or out of bounds before taking a big hit. I forget how Mariota got hurt.

 

[JMR]

Naa just making conversation during the off season. Definitely wanted responses, would of been nice to see someone agree with me, but not necessary. I like a good debate and that's all I was going for.

Well, truthfully it was sort of a CPT Obvious statement -- let the RBs do the running and the QB pass? That's pretty much what you said. I didn't disagree with you as much as I just asked why you made such a rhetorical type statement. It's not like RBs are going to be doing a bunch of passing or anything. Pretty sure no matter what, a RB will have the most rushing attempts and RW will have the most passes.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Big difference between RW and the rest mentioned. RG3, Kap, and Cam took the hits on the run to gain that extra yard and getting banged up more often. RW takes what the D gives him then gets down or out of bounds before taking a big hit. I forget how Mariota got hurt.

No matter, you carry the rock enough times the odds catch up with you. RW is perfectly capable of being a pocket passer and excelling at it. A running QB is for the young, name one running QB that lasted into his thirties, then think of those that last damn near to 40. Always a pocket passer. Yeah I get how much smarter RW is over say a RG, but at the end of the day you carry the rock enough the odds catch up with you. Is RW as nimble as he was as a rookie? I don't think so myself and that nimbleness is only going to decrease. Let's not wait until injuries force the Seahawks hand, get ahead of the curve and run a more traditional offense. They got the weapons, let's make use of them.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Well, truthfully it was sort of a CPT Obvious statement -- let the RBs do the running and the QB pass? That's pretty much what you said. I didn't disagree with you as much as I just asked why you made such a rhetorical type statement. It's not like RBs are going to be doing a bunch of passing or anything. Pretty sure no matter what, a RB will have the most rushing attempts and RW will have the most passes.

Guess I didn't have a clear message or else your just being obtuse. Think it's time for RW to evolve to a pocket passer. Think that critical for future success. Clear enough?

 

[JMR]

No matter, you carry the rock enough times the odds catch up with you. RW is perfectly capable of being a pocket passer and excelling at it. A running QB is for the young, name one running QB that lasted into his thirties, then think of those that last damn near to 40. Always a pocket passer. Yeah I get how much smarter RW is over say a RG, but at the end of the day you carry the rock enough the odds catch up with you. Is RW as nimble as he was as a rookie? I don't think so myself and that nimbleness is only going to decrease. Let's not wait until injuries force the Seahawks hand, get ahead of the curve and run a more traditional offense. They got the weapons, let's make use of them.

Ok, now you're bringing some more specific substance.

I totally agree RW's game is going to evolve over his career. Father Time will ensure that. Of course he will not be able to do the things at 35 that he could at 25. That's just life.

But a RW running attempt generally is a totally different animal than what from, say, Cam Newton. Russell is only 28. I think he can still pull off the read-options and bootlegs for another 2 or 3 seasons. And if he can physically still do it, then I think the coaches are wise to employ it in the offense because of how much of a threat it is and how much it helps other parts of the O.

 

[JMR]

Guess I didn't have a clear message or else your just being obtuse. Think it's time for RW to evolve to a pocket passer. Think that critical for future success. Clear enough?

Not being obtuse. You were just being incredibly vague.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Not being obtuse. You were just being incredibly vague.

It's all good, did not mean to be vague, if that's how you took it. I'm not against using the read option on occasion, truthfully the Seahawks don't use it that often. I'm more against RW bailing from the pocket and running. Learn how to move in the pocket to keep a OL between him and a pass rush, use a quick passing offense like in 2015, evolve....

 

[JMR]

It's all good, did not mean to be vague, if that's how you took it. I'm not against using the read option on occasion, truthfully the Seahawks don't use it that often. I'm more against RW bailing from the pocket and running. Learn how to move in the pocket to keep a OL between him and a pass rush, use a quick passing offense like in 2015, evolve....

I'm a fan of read-option in moderation as well. Most of the time in sport, the more you use something, the less effective it becomes. It's already happened across the league with the r/o. The "wildcat" had a pretty short lifespan as well.

RW is a different animal though. Few QBs -- even the "running" ones -- can do what he can do. Use his talents to help the team win. And it's not that he isn't fantastic pocket passer, because he's proven that he is. But when the OL is as bad as ours has been, you gotta try to compensate by taking advantage of other strengths.