Would you make a trade?

[chy1127]

I want no part of the flyers buying at the trade deadline. The goal is to win a cup, not make the playoffs. It'll be a surprise if they make the playoffs. I think the chances of them winning the cup are less than my chances of marrying Taylor Swift <3

If you do marry Taylor Swift, can I come to the wedding?

I agree on not wanting to be a buyer. As for selling, we need to move one of the top 5 salary defensemen. We are apparently trying to extend Schultz which could be a cheap move for a guy that's played well but we have too much of a logjam as is. Kimmo and Coburn coming back gives us several pieces to move. I still say some parts cant be moved, ie A Mac. As much as I want Kimmo to retire a Flyer, if he wants to move, then he should be moved. I keep hearing Nashville. He would bring a decent pick if he proves healthy. I don't want to see this but I will cheer for him if he OKs a trade. That leaves Coburn, Schenn and Grossmann. I have soured on Coburn this year but he has been injured all year. Schenn is a good 3rd pairing guy but makes too much for his role. Grossmann is a 2nd pairing guy and probably earns his keep. He probably has the most value unless someone thinks they can revitalize Coburn. One or more of those 3 needs to be moved to open cap space and a roster spot for next year.

As for forwards we have several we would like to see go but their contracts are prohibitive. Umberger and Vinny are the top 2 but as with A Mac, I don't see it. Umberger, however, has played a little better of late. Read has had a down year but could be valuable on the PK and he has been a 20 goal scorer. VV, Frenchie and White all could probably be moved but I am not sure there really would be a return.

At the end of the day I can see moves for Kimmo, Coburn and Grossmann. If nothing else we would get a little cap relief for next year.

 

[Cobiemonster]

The Flyers were going to need to move two d-men anyway because of the log jam they have now, but are they going to start moving 3 or 4 or 5 guys off the roster? It takes two to tango and it depends on the return

I think the Flyers should probably look to move a guy like Chris VandeVelde because his value is probably never been higher and some team would like a 4th liner with a bit of offense, and maybe even more a guy like Pebbles, but I don't think it's a matter of making any big trades - I don't think they will do that imo

 

[chy1127]

Someone out there will over pay for Grossmann and/or Coburn. Happens every year. Under the circumstances, a buyer at the deadline is looking to upgrade their tail end. While neither is a top 3 guy. Both could fall into a 4-5 spot and make 3rd pairing better.

 

[lasgop8]

Someone out there will over pay for Grossmann and/or Coburn. Happens every year. Under the circumstances, a buyer at the deadline is looking to upgrade their tail end. While neither is a top 3 guy. Both could fall into a 4-5 spot and make 3rd pairing better.

Boston gave us a third rounder for Mez so hopefully we get some desperate team to do the same.

 

[chy1127]

Boston gave us a third rounder for Mez so hopefully we get some desperate team to do the same.

With Mason needing surgery, I really think Grossmann and Coburn will be gone.

 

[lasgop8]

If Stolarz comes in and plays well and looks like our future what do we do next? do we trade Mase at somepoint?

 

[Cobiemonster]

If Stolarz comes in and plays well and looks like our future what do we do next? do we trade Mase at somepoint?

He's not going to come in and light it up now so we don't have to worry about that short term

Mase only has two years left on his contract after this season anyways so it's not like he has a long term deal

 

[JBM73]

Someone out there will over pay for Grossmann and/or Coburn. Happens every year. Under the circumstances, a buyer at the deadline is looking to upgrade their tail end. While neither is a top 3 guy. Both could fall into a 4-5 spot and make 3rd pairing better.

Agreed. The trade deadline is when the Flyers will have the most leverage.

 

[awaz]

Responding to a few things here:

1. If I do marry Taylor Swift, the whole world is invited.

2. I think I mdz is the most valuable trade bait the flyers have right now. Defenseman, playing well, puts up offense, 1 year left on his deal. All the making of an overpayment. (unless the Flyers unload other contracts and have room for a new Mdz deal, I want this deal done).

3. Timonen also has tons of value for the same reasons mentioned above, except he's got all the experience you want. Only problem is, can he hold up with the clots. I deal him if someone gives up a 2nd or higher.

4. Coburn can get a decent return. Youngish, mobile, experienced dman. Contract could be an issue.

5. Schultz has some value as well.

6. Grossmann and schenn I don't think bring back a ton. Both are a little overpaid and for too long to be the 1 dimensional dmen that they are.

7. Stolarz lighting it up falls behind the flyers winning the cup this year (and unfortunately Mr. Taylor swift) at awaz's odds table.

 

[Cobiemonster]

Responding to a few things here:

1. If I do marry Taylor Swift, the whole world is invited.

2. I think I mdz is the most valuable trade bait the flyers have right now. Defenseman, playing well, puts up offense, 1 year left on his deal. All the making of an overpayment. (unless the Flyers unload other contracts and have room for a new Mdz deal, I want this deal done).

3. Timonen also has tons of value for the same reasons mentioned above, except he's got all the experience you want. Only problem is, can he hold up with the clots. I deal him if someone gives up a 2nd or higher.

4. Coburn can get a decent return. Youngish, mobile, experienced dman. Contract could be an issue.

5. Schultz has some value as well.

6. Grossmann and schenn I don't think bring back a ton. Both are a little overpaid and for too long to be the 1 dimensional dmen that they are.

7. Stolarz lighting it up falls behind the flyers winning the cup this year (and unfortunately Mr. Taylor swift) at awaz's odds table.

2) I agree about MDZ - I'd like to keep him because you never know what happens with defensemen and you need plenty of them, but he could fetch a nice return because the team acquiring him will have his rights in the summer so there's not a fear of losing him in FA

3) Kimmo is attractive too because his cap hit is low and if he's ready to go, he'd certainly make any team better - teams are in need of d-men and you can get a nice return

4) Braydon Coburn's contract could be a problem but I think he has a good reputation around the league and as mentioned before, teams are in need of d-men and the interest would be high

5) Nick Schultz has plenty of value too but I get the sense the Flyers want to keep him and get something done now because they could risk losing him as a UFA(hence why you haven't heard about them being aggressive in re-signing MDZ because he's an RFA) - I think they keep Nick Schultz but they won't re-sign him until after the deadline because they need to see how the chips fall with the rest of the d-men - but I think they might get a contract done from the trade deadline to the end of the season and get it over with

6) Luke Schenn probably won't garner much interest - as for Nicklas Grossmann, some team would be interested I would believe, and he only has one year left on his deal after this season so if there's a team with some cap space, they might be willing to do something - you'd have to take a little bit less for a guy like that but I think as far as the numbers game goes, clearing a spot and some cap space is the value you get in return for him

 

[Cobiemonster]

BTW, the Wild suffered two key injuries at forward tonight - Jason Zucker and Ryan Carter are apparently going to be out for a while

Flyers should deal Chris VandeVelde now while he's hot - plus he's a Minnesota native so he'd like going to Minnesota - get something of value for him now

 

[chy1127]

Responding to a few things here:

1. If I do marry Taylor Swift, the whole world is invited.

2. I think I mdz is the most valuable trade bait the flyers have right now. Defenseman, playing well, puts up offense, 1 year left on his deal. All the making of an overpayment. (unless the Flyers unload other contracts and have room for a new Mdz deal, I want this deal done).

3. Timonen also has tons of value for the same reasons mentioned above, except he's got all the experience you want. Only problem is, can he hold up with the clots. I deal him if someone gives up a 2nd or higher.

4. Coburn can get a decent return. Youngish, mobile, experienced dman. Contract could be an issue.

5. Schultz has some value as well.

6. Grossmann and schenn I don't think bring back a ton. Both are a little overpaid and for too long to be the 1 dimensional dmen that they are.

7. Stolarz lighting it up falls behind the flyers winning the cup this year (and unfortunately Mr. Taylor swift) at awaz's odds table.

3. I do this only if he wants to go. If he wants to retire as a Flyer, so be it.

4. I thought Coburns contract could be an issue but I think its only for 1 more year. San Jose apparently has over $5 million and Nashville $11. Even though he makes a good chunk of change, he would make a few buyers better on the back end.

6. Both of these guys are about 1 million less than Coburn. A team with a week 5-6 may be willing to make a move as Grossmann can be a 2/3 pairing and Schenn is a legit 3rd pairing guy. He is over priced for this but teams in the past that think they are real close make not worry as much about the future as they do about the present. Not as worried about the return vs. next years cap relief.

 

[flyersfan4706]

I've liked Schultz, but re-signing him is extremely shortsighted. He is a 32 year old who has played surprisingly well. If we can take a guy we expected to be a #7 for a single year and turn him into a 3rd round pick it should be a no-brainer.

The same goes with all of our defense. We can't actually trade everyone since we'll need competent vets to help the prospects, but if there are any good offers then we should just take them.

This Mason injury should be very telling with how Hextall views the rest of this season. If Emery flops and Stolarz isn't Jesus then we'll have our answer.

 

[FlyerFinFan]

Yep agreed but I can see them waiting until the deadline to find out where they are at...unless a nice offer comes in early.

Rumor that crapitals put an offer in for Kane...don't see it happening though.


To Washington;

Evander Kane

To Winnipeg;

Andre Burakovsky
Tom Wilson
1st rd draft pick

 

[lasgop8]

Yep agreed but I can see them waiting until the deadline to find out where they are at...unless a nice offer comes in early.

Rumor that crapitals put an offer in for Kane...don't see it happening though.


To Washington;

Evander Kane

To Winnipeg;

Andre Burakovsky
Tom Wilson
1st rd draft pick

What would our offer be to better this offer by the Craps? side note Tom Wilson is a dick.

 

[Cobiemonster]

What would our offer be to better this offer by the Craps? side note Tom Wilson is a dick.

I think it would have to end up being at least Brayden Schenn, a prospect(possibly Taylor Leier) and a 1st round pick - remember, the Caps first rounder will be much higher than the Flyers in all probability

I don't think you want to do that if you're the Flyers - they're not in a position like the Caps are to do something like that

However, I think the Caps really like Tom Wilson so that would be hard for them to do

 

[Retroram52]

I wouldn't give away a first rounder for Kane. We need youngsters in the worst way. Keep the pick and just wait it out.

 

[Cobiemonster]

I wouldn't give away a first rounder for Kane. We need youngsters in the worst way. Keep the pick and just wait it out.

It's not necessarily a matter of needing youngsters because Evander Kane is still young - it's because the Flyers pick is likely to be relatively high and it's not worth trading, especially in a package where you'd have to give up 1-2 more pieces to get Evander Kane

 

[flyersfan4706]

Pierre LeBrun was on Montreal’s TSN 690 on Tuesday evening.

On if the Flyers will be active at the trade deadline:

"Not nearly as active as – I mean, I do think they’ll make a couple of moves, but I don’t think they’ll be nearly as active as they planned to be if - well, as they hoped to be, I would say, in the offseason.

“They have to revamp their blueline. They do have kids coming. Sam Morin comes to mind. There are prospects coming. But they have got to become a better defensive team. They have two of the top 5 scorers in the league, but yet probably don’t produce as much offense as they could team-wide because they spend too much time in their zone. Look for that tonight when you’re watching the Habs-Flyers game. They really struggle at transition at times and a lot of it starts with their issues on the blueline.

“So I think that’ll be an area of emphasis, probably even more so in June than now, but that’s where the focus and the work has to be for Philadelphia, is to be a quicker team and a more talented team on the back end.”

Source: TSN 690/ Transcript: Nichols on Hockey

Related: Friedman: Oilers, Hurricanes, Coyotes unlikely to accept Lindros-like package trade for No. 1 pick

Related: LeBrun: Blues, Flyers well-matched for Senators on trade front


LeBrun on Flyers' expected trade deadline activity level — Nichols on Hockey

 

[FlyerFinFan]

It's not necessarily a matter of needing youngsters because Evander Kane is still young - it's because the Flyers pick is likely to be relatively high and it's not worth trading, especially in a package where you'd have to give up 1-2 more pieces to get Evander Kane

Agreed this just shows you what it will take to get him...and it's a lot for a whiny millionaire.