Willing to trade for Ohtani?

[pachyderm]

No problem. Its still baseball, so it works.

Still don't see the Angels trading Trout at any point. Maybe they'll dfa him in the last year of his contract, when he's not hitting much any more, but as long as he puts butts in the seats, he is going nowhere.

I gotta wonder how the latest Trout injury is going to affect him in the long run.

Trout's injury a cruel fate for an icon and fans

You thought this would be the year -- with the way Shohei Ohtani just performed in June and the way Mike Trout was starting to come on -- that Trout would finally catch a break. You thought this might finally be the year when Trout made it back to the

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[msgkings322]

nobody is gonna trade for ohtanin this far into the season when there is a likely departing of him at season,s end.

Teams trade for 'rentals' all the time to make a playoff push

 

[msgkings322]

I gotta wonder how the latest Trout injury is going to affect him in the long run.

Trout's injury a cruel fate for an icon and fans

You thought this would be the year -- with the way Shohei Ohtani just performed in June and the way Mike Trout was starting to come on -- that Trout would finally catch a break. You thought this might finally be the year when Trout made it back to the

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I do feel bad that Trout is going to be like Ernie Banks who was an all time great who barely sniffed the playoffs his entire career.

 

[redskinsfan1963]

I do feel bad that Trout is going to be like Ernie Banks who was an all time great who barely sniffed the playoffs his entire career.

ernie banks never played in the playoffs.the cubs were awful when he played for them.

 

[tzill]

And bring back a lot of their own players....

I'd think so. Certainly Urias and Muncy.

 

[tzill]

Have the Giants ever shown a willingness to give out a blockbuster deal like that, though? We’re talking 10yr/$500m for Ohtani(or something like that). The biggest deal I can recall the Giants giving out was Barry Zito. I’m sure there are other examples, but how many times have the Giants gone over 5 years or $100m for a FA?

Edit: Just remembered Cueto…

Ummm...that guy named Aaron Judge?

Correa?

Ohtani?

Stanton?

Yeah, they're willing.

 

[tzill]

They've offered way more than that just a few months ago, Correa was ready to go even.

and Judge. Cannot forget he was a Giant for 17 minutes.

 

[msgkings322]

ernie banks never played in the playoffs.the cubs were awful when he played for them.

Thanks, I knew it was very little and really it was no playoffs at all. Trout has only been to one, and for a few games only.

 

[tzill]

I can see that.

He already lives in LA, most likely, and I'm assuming there is a pretty decent sized Japanese community there too.
Although I don't know how much that plays into it for Japanese players, or players from any other country that come here to play.
Is that really a factor? SF has one too I'm sure.

This is my real question about the The City: Is it as big a shit hole as I'm hearing ?
Last time I was there it was, to me, a virtual paradise. I've had a few friends and acquaintances visit in the last few years and they all seem to agree that it was "gross and disgusting" due to the rampant homelessness and drug abuse.

IF that's true, I hope it's not, could that be a factor? is that why we couldn't sign Harper, Judge, etc etc ?

It would be a real shame that an intangible* such as that is the reason we can't land anyone major.


*Intangible as in the team/management can't do anything to effect real change.

There is a decent sized Japanese community in LA. There is one in name only in SF (it's overwhelmingly Chinese). I don't know how much of a factor that plays. Suzuki went to the Cubs. As for being a 'shit hole,' no. Its not. It's a culture war flash point where MAGAchuds and Woketarians can argue about the effectiveness of democrats.

We've got problems, but no ballplayers live in SF anyway. Cain and Posey were the last ones. They all move to the East Bay. Even Pence doesn't live here anymore. Nothing to do with homelessness (they wouldn't end up living near the homeless anyway) and everything to do with school districts and weather.

 

[calsnowskier]

and Judge. Cannot forget he was a Giant for 17 minutes.

That wasn’t Aaron. That was his brother Arson.

 

[tzill]

That wasn’t Aaron. That was his brother Arson.

Damnit.

Correct again. You win this one, alt.

 

[chappee11]

Ummm...that guy named Aaron Judge?

Correa?

Ohtani?

Stanton?

Yeah, they're willing.

You listed four guys there…and the Giants didn’t sign any of them. That’s worth pointing out.

 

[tzill]

You listed four guys there…and the Giants didn’t sign any of them. That’s worth pointing out.

Correa agreed.

The other three we made offers to. Competitive offers by all accounts. What is your point?

 

[chappee11]

I can see that.

He already lives in LA, most likely, and I'm assuming there is a pretty decent sized Japanese community there too.
Although I don't know how much that plays into it for Japanese players, or players from any other country that come here to play.
Is that really a factor? SF has one too I'm sure.

This is my real question about the The City: Is it as big a shit hole as I'm hearing ?
Last time I was there it was, to me, a virtual paradise. I've had a few friends and acquaintances visit in the last few years and they all seem to agree that it was "gross and disgusting" due to the rampant homelessness and drug abuse.

IF that's true, I hope it's not, could that be a factor? is that why we couldn't sign Harper, Judge, etc etc ?

It would be a real shame that an intangible* such as that is the reason we can't land anyone major.


*Intangible as in the team/management can't do anything to effect real change.

Yes, the City has, unfortunately, become a total shithole. It used to be my favorite city on the west coast to visit. It has become overrun with homelessness and discarded syringes and feces-covered sidewalks. I used to go there every year 1-2x, but no longer. The same is happening to Seattle and Portland, too. These cities were paradise only 20 years ago, too.

I’m not sure any of this impacts a free agent’s willingness to play for the Giants(State income tax is probably a bigger concern), but it is a real issue.

 

[chappee11]

Correa agreed.

The other three we made offers to. Competitive offers by all accounts. What is your point?

My point is that the Giants don’t have ownership willing to execute an Ohtani deal. They won’t play in the deep end of the pool for free agents. And it’s actually served them pretty well. It’s not really a knock on them.

 

[calsnowskier]

Yes, the City has, unfortunately, become a total shithole. It used to be my favorite city on the west coast to visit. It has become overrun with homelessness and discarded syringes and feces-covered sidewalks. I used to go there every year 1-2x, but no longer. The same is happening to Seattle and Portland, too. These cities were paradise only 20 years ago, too.

I’m not sure any of this impacts a free agent’s willingness to play for the Giants(State income tax is probably a bigger concern), but it is a real issue.

I don’t disagree that the State Tax is a big hurdle for the Giants signing FAs.

But the Padres and Dodgers have that same exact hurdle.

 

[calsnowskier]

My point is that the Giants don’t have ownership willing to execute an Ohtani deal. They won’t play in the deep end of the pool for free agents. And it’s actually served them pretty well. It’s not really a knock on them.

I agree with this statement. They signed Zito to the huge contract, and they were pretty much panned by the whole baseball world for it. Since then, for the most part, I think they have strategically positioned themselves to offer the 2nd best package to every “target” FA.

I think they legit went all in to actually land Judge, though. But I think that was a rigged game. I suspect the Yanks told Judge to negotiate his Yankee contract with the Giants. The Giants had enough egg on their faces from those proceedings that they jumped too soon on the Correa negotiations. Luckily, they caught themselves before putting ink to paper on that one, though.

You didn’t see the Giants go on tilt when they lost out on Harper or Sebathia. That tells me that they didn’t really want Harper or Sebathia. They DID really want Judge.

 

[LHG]

I don’t disagree that the State Tax is a big hurdle for the Giants signing FAs.

But the Padres and Dodgers have that same exact hurdle.

So do the Oakland A's.

 

[calsnowskier]

So do the Oakland A's.

We are talking about MLB teams here.

 

[tzill]

My point is that the Giants don’t have ownership willing to execute an Ohtani deal. They won’t play in the deep end of the pool for free agents. And it’s actually served them pretty well. It’s not really a knock on them.

I've given you several examples of ownership completely willing to execute on a huge FA deal. You're either trolling or dense. I'm not sure which.