Will the playoffs have an effect on the SEC dominance?

[sooner4life130]

Outside of Alabama nobody in the conference really plays challenging non conference teams. After seeing bama not want to play at the sugar bowl last year bc it wasn't the championship, do you think playing the best teams outside of the sec be a challenge for the likes of Lsu, bama and auburn? Alabama was clearly exposed last year in the bowl game and so was Lsu with their close game with Iowa. I was actually quite impressed with auburn and their finish to the season. Anyways, I personally think its gonna bring paradody to college football. What do you guys think?

 

[LawDawg]

Outside of Alabama nobody in the conference really plays challenging non conference teams.

I almost stopped here.

But I kept going, and I am glad I did ...

Anyways, I personally think its gonna bring paradody to college football. What do you guys think?

Who doesn't want college football parody?

 

[sooner4life130]

Lol nice


By parody I mean parity.....

 

[td2play]

To answer your question, the ESPN / ABC / Disney propoganda machine is in full force. No SEC champion will ever be left out of the 4 team playoff. I don't care if they play cupcake U for all their out of conference games. I'm more worried about them getting all 4 spots! By the way you should check your facts before posting. LSU plays a power 5 conference team every year to begin the season or at least they have been lately. Georgia had OSU with a home and home and USCe has Clemson every year. Tenn is playing at OU this season. Most teams in the SEC have caught on to the fact you need another power 5 conference team on your schedule. A few like A&M are the exceptions but I think their schedule got screwed up with the move to the SEC.

 

[sooner4life130]

To answer your question, the ESPN / ABC / Disney propoganda machine is in full force. No SEC champion will ever be left out of the 4 team playoff. I don't care if they play cupcake U for all their out of conference games. I'm more worried about them getting all 4 spots! By the way you should check your facts before posting. LSU plays a power 5 conference team every year to begin the season or at least they have been lately. Georgia had OSU with a home and home and USCe has Clemson every year. Tenn is playing at OU this season. Most teams in the SEC have caught on to the fact you need another power 5 conference team on your schedule. A few like A&M are the exceptions but I think their schedule got screwed up with the move to the SEC.

Playing a team in a power five conference doesn't mean much. Now if theyre a quality team in a power 5 then okay. I commend LSU for playing wisky and Auburn playing KSU. I would add Florida in the conversation but right now they're down so they don't count for now. My point is that will these sec powers get better matchups since it will be a playoffs?

 

[rmilia1]

Well they are less likely to win title after title if only based on pure math. 4 teams vying for a title means the odds are worse to win than if only 2 teams play. That said we are likely to see the same kind of scenario play out as previous years as it pertains to certain teams and leagues being more likely to make the playoff. I know that the committee "isnt going to use the polls" when determining the teams that make the playoff but lets be honest. The committee is totally going to use the polls AND when you have preseason polls that means teams and leagues that are ranked higher to start the season will always be in a more favorable position. IE a 1 loss Oklahoma, 1 loss Ohio State, 1 loss Alabama, 1 loss USC, 1 loss Notre Dame will have a VERY good shot at making the playoff whereas a 1 loss, Texas Tech, 1 loss Iowa, 1 loss Mississippi State, 1 loss Washington State or 1 loss BYU is FUCKED. The only thing a playoff really changes ( for now ) is that UNBEATEN "non glamor" teams have a shot now to play for a title ( see Boise State, Utah, TCU, Cincinnati of years past )

 

[WestEndVol]

To answer your question, the ESPN / ABC / Disney propoganda machine is in full force. No SEC champion will ever be left out of the 4 team playoff. I don't care if they play cupcake U for all their out of conference games. I'm more worried about them getting all 4 spots! By the way you should check your facts before posting. LSU plays a power 5 conference team every year to begin the season or at least they have been lately. Georgia had OSU with a home and home and USCe has Clemson every year. Tenn is playing at OU this season. Most teams in the SEC have caught on to the fact you need another power 5 conference team on your schedule. A few like A&M are the exceptions but I think their schedule got screwed up with the move to the SEC.

Not to mention we played at Oregon last year. Really looking forward to the game in Norman.

 

[LawDawg]

Playing a team in a power five conference doesn't mean much. Now if theyre a quality team in a power 5 then okay. I commend LSU for playing wisky and Auburn playing KSU. I would add Florida in the conversation but right now they're down so they don't count for now. My point is that will these sec powers get better matchups since it will be a playoffs?

I will repeat what the previous poster said ... do your research. There are a number of SEC teams that have played a much tougher OOC than Bama. The Dawgs in the past decade have had BSU-neutral site(although it was in Atlanta), OkSU (H&A), Clemson (H&A), Colorado (before anyone knew they totally blew, H&A), AzSU (H&A), and we just scheduled Notre Dame (H&A). On top of that, we play GaTech in a grudge match to end the season every year (H&A). Don't go making generalizations until you have the facts! Thank you very much!

 

[sooner4life130]

I will repeat what the previous poster said ... do your research. There are a number of SEC teams that have played a much tougher OOC than Bama. The Dawgs in the past decade have had BSU-neutral site(although it was in Atlanta), OkSU (H&A), Clemson (H&A), Colorado (before anyone knew they totally blew, H&A), AzSU (H&A), and we just scheduled Notre Dame (H&A). On top of that, we play GaTech in a grudge match to end the season every year (H&A). Don't go making generalizations until you have the facts! Thank you very much!

I also specifically named the teams that I think are contenders. To me, your dawgs aren't one of them so they aren't one of the teams I listed.

 

[4down20]

I also specifically named the teams that I think are contenders. To me, your dawgs aren't one of them so they aren't one of the teams I listed.

LSU plays Wisconsin
Auburn plays K-State
South Carolina plays Clemson(every year).
Florida plays Florida St(every year).

I'm an Alabama fan and honestly we have the easiest OOC schedule this year.

 

[night]

I won't be surprised if we see two SEC teams in the playoff a lot of years.

 

[TigerBait1971]

Playing a team in a power five conference doesn't mean much. Now if theyre a quality team in a power 5 then okay. I commend LSU for playing wisky and Auburn playing KSU. I would add Florida in the conversation but right now they're down so they don't count for now. My point is that will these sec powers get better matchups since it will be a playoffs?

LSU played Oregon, WVU, UW, TCU, and now Whisky?

 

[LawDawg]

I also specifically named the teams that I think are contenders. To me, your dawgs aren't one of them so they aren't one of the teams I listed.

Ah, I see ... you are back to parody. In Richt's tenure, UGa has 2 SECC, played for a total of 5, and has the 6th best winning national percentage, all during the time when the conference they played in won 8 out of 12 NCs. No NC for UGa, but to say that they weren't and aren't contenders amplifies your lack of knowledge.

 

[TexasExes98]

I think the SEC's run has come to an end. These things are cyclical anyway. We won't see more than one SEC team in the playoffs simply b/c there's really only one team that is a legit contender for the NC this year and that's probably AU. However, most years it will probably be Bama or LSU.

 

[sooner4life130]

LSU plays Wisconsin
Auburn plays K-State
South Carolina plays Clemson(every year).
Florida plays Florida St(every year).

I'm an Alabama fan and honestly we have the easiest OOC schedule this year.

I named Alabama, LSU and Auburn bc of recent years they have been the only national title contenders. If Florida had not been down then I would have said them as well, hard to ignore their success.

Also, I did recognize that auburn plays KSU and LSU plays wisky.

 

[sooner4life130]

LSU played Oregon, WVU, UW, TCU, and now Whisky?

Fair point, since LSU is one the teams I listed as being one of the three that I believe are the prime candidates for the playoffs, thank you for the correction. That's a pretty decent list of teams, not too mention they played appy state the year after Michigan lost which is balsy.

I was asking a legit question though. When OU would lose in their BCS bowls, they would get crappy matchups that would counter their strengths and get their ass handed to them(see USC) or teams like LSU Aand UF. I think a prime example would be the sugar bowl last year. Big 12 football and sec football are apples and oranges in their schemes on both sides of the ball. (I realize that the sec beats the big 12 more times than not but that's a diferrent conversation)

 

[sooner4life130]

Ah, I see ... you are back to parody. In Richt's tenure, UGa has 2 SECC, played for a total of 5, and has the 6th best winning national percentage, all during the time when the conference they played in won 8 out of 12 NCs. No NC for UGa, but to say that they weren't and aren't contenders amplifies your lack of knowledge.

I didn't say Georgia hasn't had success, I was only stating that Georgia hasn't had the recent success in the conference like the teams I listed. So therefore because of that, they aren't IMO on the same level as the teams I listed that have the better chances of being in the playoff.

 

[Codaxx]

I didn't say Georgia hasn't had success, I was only stating that Georgia hasn't had the recent success in the conference like the teams I listed. So therefore because of that, they aren't IMO on the same level as the teams I listed that have the better chances of being in the playoff.

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Seems to me Richt is actually Mini-Mack. Both are consistently good. Most of their tenure can be described as being "one game short". Both recruit well. Both had/have excellent reputations as being a good person. Both seem to have issues with accountability within the program. Both were at the bottom of Coaching Effect on the CFB Matrix over their careers, basically they lose more games to teams with lower recruiting rankings.

 

[Gator]

For Sooner4Life (Sound like a prison sentence!)

Outside of Alabama nobody in the conference really plays challenging non conference teams. After seeing bama not want to play at the sugar bowl last year bc it wasn't the championship, do you think playing the best teams outside of the sec be a challenge for the likes of Lsu, bama and auburn? Alabama was clearly exposed last year in the bowl game and so was Lsu with their close game with Iowa. I was actually quite impressed with auburn and their finish to the season. Anyways, I personally think its gonna bring paradody to college football. What do you guys think?

What are you pulling a "Boise State"? Here we go again with the cut and paste attack using schedules!

One would think that if someone is going to call out other conferences then that fan's team MUST play a GREAT OOC schedule. But one would be WRONG! OU's OOC schedule isn't THAT great that you should be calling anyone out.

Let's look at the 12 SEC teams that have been SEC teams the whole time PLUS OU over the BCS in OOC games excluding bowl games.

The winning percentages of OOC opponents.
1 Florida 0.6174
2 South Carolina 0.5765
3 Georgia 0.5520
4 Alabama 0.5230
5 Oklahoma 0.5215
6 Auburn 0.5196
7 Arkansas 0.5134
8 LSU 0.4992
9 Mississippi St. 0.4992
10 Kentucky 0.4992
11 Tennessee 0.4798
12 Mississippi 0.4710
13 Vanderbilt 0.4270
Say it ain't so, Joe! OU behind SEC teams?

Number of games OOC against teams with D1A winning records.
1 Florida 32
2 Alabama 29
3 South Carolina 27
4 Georgia 26
5 Oklahoma 25
6 Tennessee 20
7 Arkansas 19
7 Auburn 19
7 Mississippi St. 19
7 Kentucky 19
7 Mississippi 19
12 LSU 18
13 Vanderbilt 17
What, OU is NOT #1?

Number of OOC games against bowl teams.
1 Florida 29
2 South Carolina 27
3 Georgia 26
4 Alabama 25
4 Oklahoma 25
6 Arkansas 20
7 Tennessee 19
8 Auburn 18
8 Mississippi 18
10 Kentucky 17
10 Mississippi St. 17
12 Vanderbilt 15
13 LSU 13
Wow, solid 4th!

Number of OOC games against AP Ranked teams.
1 Florida 15
2 Oklahoma 11
3 South Carolina 10
4 Tennessee 9
4 Georgia 9
6 Auburn 8
7 Arkansas 7
8 Kentucky 6
8 Mississippi St. 6
10 Alabama 5
10 LSU 5
10 Vanderbilt 5
13 Mississippi 3
Moving up but still not #1.

Number of OOC games against AP Top 10 teams
1 Florida 7
2 Tennessee 5
3 Arkansas 4
4 Georgia 3
4 Alabama 3
6 Oklahoma 2
6 Mississippi St. 2
6 Auburn 2
6 LSU 2
6 Kentucky 2
6 South Carolina 2
12 Mississippi 1
13 Vanderbilt 1
So, only Ole Miss and Vandy have played fewer!

Here is the same thing looking at ALL non bowl games.

The winning percentages of opponents.
1 Florida 0.6142
2 Auburn 0.6019
2 South Carolina 0.5951
4 Alabama 0.5895
5 Arkansas 0.5881
6 LSU 0.5867
7 Georgia 0.5798
8 Oklahoma 0.5749
9 Tennessee 0.5723
10 Mississippi St. 0.5637
11 Kentucky 0.5565
12 Mississippi 0.5489
13 Vanderbilt 0.5363
8th? What's with that?

Number of games against teams with D1A winning records.
1 Alabama 117
2 Florida 115
2 Auburn 112
4 South Carolina 111
5 Oklahoma 109
6 Arkansas 108
7 Georgia 107
8 LSU 106
8 Tennessee 105
8 Vanderbilt 105
11 Mississippi St. 102
12 Kentucky 102
13 Mississippi 98
5th, better,.... but NOT #1.

Number of games against bowl teams.
1 South Carolina 118
2 Florida 117
2 Auburn 116
4 Alabama 114
5 Oklahoma 114
6 Arkansas 112
7 Tennessee 110
8 Georgia 109
9 LSU 105
9 Mississippi St. 105
9 Vanderbilt 105
12 Mississippi 103
13 Kentucky 102
5th, again?

Number of games against AP Ranked teams.
1 Florida 74
2 Auburn 73
2 Tennessee 67
4 Arkansas 65
5 South Carolina 65
6 Vanderbilt 62
7 Kentucky 62
8 Alabama 61
9 Mississippi St. 60
9 LSU 60
11 Mississippi 58
12 Georgia 57
13 Oklahoma 55
LAST????

Against AP Top 10 teams
1 Tennessee 41
2 Florida 36
2 Arkansas 36
4 Auburn 34
5 Kentucky 31
6 LSU 30
7 Mississippi St. 30
8 South Carolina 28
9 Alabama 27
9 Mississippi 27
9 Georgia 27
12 Vanderbilt 26
13 Oklahoma 16
LAST AGAIN???? Vandy has played 10 more Top 10 teams than OU! Ouch!

Now we all can see why you want to limit the discussion to OOC games (just like BSU)!

 

[Hook'Em0608]

What are you pulling a "Boise State"? Here we go again with the cut and paste attack using schedules!

One would think that if someone is going to call out other conferences then that fan's team MUST play a GREAT OOC schedule. But one would be WRONG! OU's OOC schedule isn't THAT great that you should be calling anyone out.

Let's look at the 12 SEC teams that have been SEC teams the whole time PLUS OU over the BCS in OOC games excluding bowl games.

The winning percentages of OOC opponents.
1 Florida 0.6174
2 South Carolina 0.5765
3 Georgia 0.5520
4 Alabama 0.5230
5 Oklahoma 0.5215
6 Auburn 0.5196
7 Arkansas 0.5134
8 LSU 0.4992
9 Mississippi St. 0.4992
10 Kentucky 0.4992
11 Tennessee 0.4798
12 Mississippi 0.4710
13 Vanderbilt 0.4270
Say it ain't so, Joe! OU behind SEC teams?

Number of games OOC against teams with D1A winning records.
1 Florida 32
2 Alabama 29
3 South Carolina 27
4 Georgia 26
5 Oklahoma 25
6 Tennessee 20
7 Arkansas 19
7 Auburn 19
7 Mississippi St. 19
7 Kentucky 19
7 Mississippi 19
12 LSU 18
13 Vanderbilt 17
What, OU is NOT #1?

Number of OOC games against bowl teams.
1 Florida 29
2 South Carolina 27
3 Georgia 26
4 Alabama 25
4 Oklahoma 25
6 Arkansas 20
7 Tennessee 19
8 Auburn 18
8 Mississippi 18
10 Kentucky 17
10 Mississippi St. 17
12 Vanderbilt 15
13 LSU 13
Wow, solid 4th!

Number of OOC games against AP Ranked teams.
1 Florida 15
2 Oklahoma 11
3 South Carolina 10
4 Tennessee 9
4 Georgia 9
6 Auburn 8
7 Arkansas 7
8 Kentucky 6
8 Mississippi St. 6
10 Alabama 5
10 LSU 5
10 Vanderbilt 5
13 Mississippi 3
Moving up but still not #1.

Number of OOC games against AP Top 10 teams
1 Florida 7
2 Tennessee 5
3 Arkansas 4
4 Georgia 3
4 Alabama 3
6 Oklahoma 2
6 Mississippi St. 2
6 Auburn 2
6 LSU 2
6 Kentucky 2
6 South Carolina 2
12 Mississippi 1
13 Vanderbilt 1
So, only Ole Miss and Vandy have played fewer!

Here is the same thing looking at ALL non bowl games.

The winning percentages of opponents.
1 Florida 0.6142
2 Auburn 0.6019
2 South Carolina 0.5951
4 Alabama 0.5895
5 Arkansas 0.5881
6 LSU 0.5867
7 Georgia 0.5798
8 Oklahoma 0.5749
9 Tennessee 0.5723
10 Mississippi St. 0.5637
11 Kentucky 0.5565
12 Mississippi 0.5489
13 Vanderbilt 0.5363
8th? What's with that?

Number of games against teams with D1A winning records.
1 Alabama 117
2 Florida 115
2 Auburn 112
4 South Carolina 111
5 Oklahoma 109
6 Arkansas 108
7 Georgia 107
8 LSU 106
8 Tennessee 105
8 Vanderbilt 105
11 Mississippi St. 102
12 Kentucky 102
13 Mississippi 98
5th, better,.... but NOT #1.

Number of games against bowl teams.
1 South Carolina 118
2 Florida 117
2 Auburn 116
4 Alabama 114
5 Oklahoma 114
6 Arkansas 112
7 Tennessee 110
8 Georgia 109
9 LSU 105
9 Mississippi St. 105
9 Vanderbilt 105
12 Mississippi 103
13 Kentucky 102
5th, again?

Number of games against AP Ranked teams.
1 Florida 74
2 Auburn 73
2 Tennessee 67
4 Arkansas 65
5 South Carolina 65
6 Vanderbilt 62
7 Kentucky 62
8 Alabama 61
9 Mississippi St. 60
9 LSU 60
11 Mississippi 58
12 Georgia 57
13 Oklahoma 55
LAST????

Against AP Top 10 teams
1 Tennessee 41
2 Florida 36
2 Arkansas 36
4 Auburn 34
5 Kentucky 31
6 LSU 30
7 Mississippi St. 30
8 South Carolina 28
9 Alabama 27
9 Mississippi 27
9 Georgia 27
12 Vanderbilt 26
13 Oklahoma 16
LAST AGAIN???? Vandy has played 10 more Top 10 teams than OU! Ouch!

Now we all can see why you want to limit the discussion to OOC games (just like BSU)!

Point still stands, but your numbers are almost all off by 1 or 2 games per team. I probably shouldn't have even said anything but it was driving me crazy...