Will the playoffs have an effect on the SEC dominance?

[sooner4life130]

What are you pulling a "Boise State"? Here we go again with the cut and paste attack using schedules!

One would think that if someone is going to call out other conferences then that fan's team MUST play a GREAT OOC schedule. But one would be WRONG! OU's OOC schedule isn't THAT great that you should be calling anyone out.

Let's look at the 12 SEC teams that have been SEC teams the whole time PLUS OU over the BCS in OOC games excluding bowl games.

The winning percentages of OOC opponents.
1 Florida 0.6174
2 South Carolina 0.5765
3 Georgia 0.5520
4 Alabama 0.5230
5 Oklahoma 0.5215
6 Auburn 0.5196
7 Arkansas 0.5134
8 LSU 0.4992
9 Mississippi St. 0.4992
10 Kentucky 0.4992
11 Tennessee 0.4798
12 Mississippi 0.4710
13 Vanderbilt 0.4270
Say it ain't so, Joe! OU behind SEC teams?

Number of games OOC against teams with D1A winning records.
1 Florida 32
2 Alabama 29
3 South Carolina 27
4 Georgia 26
5 Oklahoma 25
6 Tennessee 20
7 Arkansas 19
7 Auburn 19
7 Mississippi St. 19
7 Kentucky 19
7 Mississippi 19
12 LSU 18
13 Vanderbilt 17
What, OU is NOT #1?

Number of OOC games against bowl teams.
1 Florida 29
2 South Carolina 27
3 Georgia 26
4 Alabama 25
4 Oklahoma 25
6 Arkansas 20
7 Tennessee 19
8 Auburn 18
8 Mississippi 18
10 Kentucky 17
10 Mississippi St. 17
12 Vanderbilt 15
13 LSU 13
Wow, solid 4th!

Number of OOC games against AP Ranked teams.
1 Florida 15
2 Oklahoma 11
3 South Carolina 10
4 Tennessee 9
4 Georgia 9
6 Auburn 8
7 Arkansas 7
8 Kentucky 6
8 Mississippi St. 6
10 Alabama 5
10 LSU 5
10 Vanderbilt 5
13 Mississippi 3
Moving up but still not #1.

Number of OOC games against AP Top 10 teams
1 Florida 7
2 Tennessee 5
3 Arkansas 4
4 Georgia 3
4 Alabama 3
6 Oklahoma 2
6 Mississippi St. 2
6 Auburn 2
6 LSU 2
6 Kentucky 2
6 South Carolina 2
12 Mississippi 1
13 Vanderbilt 1
So, only Ole Miss and Vandy have played fewer!

Here is the same thing looking at ALL non bowl games.

The winning percentages of opponents.
1 Florida 0.6142
2 Auburn 0.6019
2 South Carolina 0.5951
4 Alabama 0.5895
5 Arkansas 0.5881
6 LSU 0.5867
7 Georgia 0.5798
8 Oklahoma 0.5749
9 Tennessee 0.5723
10 Mississippi St. 0.5637
11 Kentucky 0.5565
12 Mississippi 0.5489
13 Vanderbilt 0.5363
8th? What's with that?

Number of games against teams with D1A winning records.
1 Alabama 117
2 Florida 115
2 Auburn 112
4 South Carolina 111
5 Oklahoma 109
6 Arkansas 108
7 Georgia 107
8 LSU 106
8 Tennessee 105
8 Vanderbilt 105
11 Mississippi St. 102
12 Kentucky 102
13 Mississippi 98
5th, better,.... but NOT #1.

Number of games against bowl teams.
1 South Carolina 118
2 Florida 117
2 Auburn 116
4 Alabama 114
5 Oklahoma 114
6 Arkansas 112
7 Tennessee 110
8 Georgia 109
9 LSU 105
9 Mississippi St. 105
9 Vanderbilt 105
12 Mississippi 103
13 Kentucky 102
5th, again?

Number of games against AP Ranked teams.
1 Florida 74
2 Auburn 73
2 Tennessee 67
4 Arkansas 65
5 South Carolina 65
6 Vanderbilt 62
7 Kentucky 62
8 Alabama 61
9 Mississippi St. 60
9 LSU 60
11 Mississippi 58
12 Georgia 57
13 Oklahoma 55
LAST????

Against AP Top 10 teams
1 Tennessee 41
2 Florida 36
2 Arkansas 36
4 Auburn 34
5 Kentucky 31
6 LSU 30
7 Mississippi St. 30
8 South Carolina 28
9 Alabama 27
9 Mississippi 27
9 Georgia 27
12 Vanderbilt 26
13 Oklahoma 16
LAST AGAIN???? Vandy has played 10 more Top 10 teams than OU! Ouch!

Now we all can see why you want to limit the discussion to OOC games (just like BSU)!

Really? Again, an SEC fan not understanding the topic. Youre bringing OU into conversation where they dont belong. OU hasnt been dominating college football in years therefore comparing their schedule doesnt mean shit. This is about Alabama, LSU and Auburn. The three teams I believe have been for the most part the most dominating programs in the country who just happen to be the faces of the SEC.

The top teams in the SEC have been on another level in terms of success the past 5 years or so. So that being said, with the playoffs offering us more interesting matchups will the SEC come back to Earth and stop dominating CFB. Alabama, LSU and Auburn dont exactly schedule teams that are on par in the non conference realm. You want to talk OU? Okay... OU scheduled FSU home and home in which FSU matched them in talent. They also played Miami which just like FSU, they matched OU in talent and they split the series. OU played ND twice where they lost and won meaning they played a team who was on the same level. Here soon OU will play Ohio State who is arguably a better team in a home and home. I'm not seeing LSU, Alabama or Auburn taking a risk and playing football teams on their talent level during the season that isnt SEC.

Every conference has their own style of play and size/speed and bc of that it can create miss matches. Again, OU vs Bama was an excelent example imo. I dont think it's neccessary that I explain this since any college football fan would agree with that.


Alabama last year imo lost bc of the speed on the OU DL exposing the Alabama's slow and huge OL(built for SEC play). So if Alabama who is similiar to LSU and Auburn in size and speed, will those teams get better matchups that theyre not use to and not work in their favor?

 

[Codaxx]

just curious does that really long post just measure winning percentage? Does it value an 8 win AQ and an 8 win FCS as equal?

 

[occupant]

What are you pulling a "Boise State"? Here we go again with the cut and paste attack using schedules!

bleh bleh bleh

Doesn't Florida enjoy (sic) a scheduled OOC against Florida St every year?

Kinda like a 5 second headstart....no?

 

[Gator]

Long!!!

Really? Again, an SEC fan not understanding the topic. Youre bringing OU into conversation where they dont belong. OU hasnt been dominating college football in years therefore comparing their schedule doesnt mean shit. This is about Alabama, LSU and Auburn. The three teams I believe have been for the most part the most dominating programs in the country who just happen to be the faces of the SEC.

The top teams in the SEC have been on another level in terms of success the past 5 years or so. So that being said, with the playoffs offering us more interesting matchups will the SEC come back to Earth and stop dominating CFB. Alabama, LSU and Auburn dont exactly schedule teams that are on par in the non conference realm.

Problem here. Over the past 6 years Auburn ranks 28th in winning percentage while Oklahoma is 5th so if comparing OU is "out" then how is Auburn "in". You have picked out what you consider the "dominating programs" in the SEC but to what other "dominating programs" are you comparing them which led you to the conclusion that they are NOT scheduling "on par in the non conference realm"?

Every conference has their own style of play and size/speed and bc of that it can create miss matches. Again, OU vs Bama was an excelent example imo. I dont think it's neccessary that I explain this since any college football fan would agree with that.

Alabama last year imo lost bc of the speed on the OU DL exposing the Alabama's slow and huge OL(built for SEC play). So if Alabama who is similiar to LSU and Auburn in size and speed, will those teams get better matchups that theyre not use to and not work in their favor?

There are big upsets and there are small upsets every week. OU over Bama was a small upset. Also, using one data point to draw conclusions is a dubious exercise. For example, in 1996, then #1UF lost to #2 FSU 21-24 in a game dominated by FSU by more than the score shows. Six weeks later then #1 FSU lost to then #3 UF 20-52 in a game dominated by UF. Did FSU somehow get slower in the six weeks.

You want to talk OU? Okay... OU scheduled FSU home and home in which FSU matched them in talent. They also played Miami which just like FSU, they matched OU in talent and they split the series. OU played ND twice where they lost and won meaning they played a team who was on the same level. Here soon OU will play Ohio State who is arguably a better team in a home and home. I'm not seeing LSU, Alabama or Auburn taking a risk and playing football teams on their talent level during the season that isnt SEC.

Nobody cares if the opponent is on "their talent level" or not. In comparing SOS the absolute level is important NOT relative level. Also, you are changing the time frame. You started with 5 or 6 years but now have moved it to 7 years to include Miami. Why are you bringing up games that haven't been played yet?

So let's stick to 6 years.

Over the past 6 season here are the top 17 in W/L percentage (why 17, to save further discussions) plus Auburn.
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1 Alabama +72-9-0
2 Boise St. +69-10-0
3 Oregon +67-12-0
4 Ohio St. +63-15-0
5 Oklahoma +63-17-0
6 LSU +61-18-0
7 Oklahoma St. +59-19-0
8 TCU +58-19-0
9 Florida St. +61-20-0
10 Stanford +59-20-0
11 Northern Ill. +59-23-0
12 USC +56-22-0
12 Cincinnati +56-22-0
14 Michigan St. +57-23-0
15 Florida +56-23-0
15 South Carolina +56-23-0
17 Texas +55-23-0
28 Auburn +80-28-0

First let's take a MYOPIC view of schedules by looking at just OOC non-bowls 2008-2013.

Opponents winning percentage.
1 South Carolina 0.6357
2 Florida 0.6286
3 TCU 0.5530
4 Oklahoma 0.5519
5 Stanford 0.5512
6 USC 0.5494
7 Florida St. 0.5385
8 Oregon 0.5317
9 Oklahoma St. 0.5311
10 Boise St. 0.5265
11 Michigan St. 0.5184
12 Auburn 0.5166
13 LSU 0.5110
14 Texas 0.4835
15 Ohio St. 0.4784
16 Cincinnati 0.4765
17 Alabama 0.4689
18 Northern Ill. 0.4111

The number Bowl teams played
1 Boise St. 14
1 Florida 14
3 South Carolina 12
4 Oklahoma St. 11
4 USC 11
4 Cincinnati 11
7 Michigan St. 10
7 Oklahoma 10
7 Ohio St. 10
7 Florida St. 10
7 Auburn 10
7 TCU 10
13 Texas 9
14 Stanford 8
14 Oregon 8
14 Alabama 8
17 Northern Ill. 7
18 LSU 6

Number of opponents with D1A winning records.
1 Florida 14
1 Boise St. 14
3 Oklahoma St. 12
4 USC 11
5 South Carolina 10
5 Michigan St. 10
5 Ohio St. 10
5 Oklahoma 10
5 Cincinnati 10
5 Florida St. 10
11 TCU 9
12 Auburn 8
12 Texas 8
14 Stanford 7
14 Oregon 7
14 Northern Ill. 7
14 LSU 7
18 Alabama 6

Number of opponents that were AP ranked.
1 Oklahoma 8
2 Florida St. 6
3 South Carolina 5
4 Florida 5
5 Boise St. 5
6 Stanford 4
6 Michigan St. 4
8 TCU 4
8 Auburn 4
10 USC 4
11 Oregon 4
12 Cincinnati 3
13 Ohio St. 2
14 Alabama 2
15 LSU 2
16 Northern Ill. 2
16 Oklahoma St. 1
18 Texas 0

Number of Opponents that were AP Top 10 ranked.
1 Florida St. 4
2 USC 3
3 South Carolina 2
3 Cincinnati 2
3 Oklahoma 2
3 Florida 2
3 Oregon 2
3 Stanford 2
9 Alabama 1
9 LSU 1
9 Boise St. 1
9 TCU 1
9 Ohio St. 1
9 Northern Ill. 1
9 Michigan St. 1
16 Oklahoma St. 0
16 Auburn 0
16 Texas 0

Now let's look at the WHOLE non-bowl schedules.

Opponents winning percentage.
1 Florida 0.6293
2 South Carolina 0.6195
3 Auburn 0.6165
4 LSU 0.6042
5 Oklahoma 0.5977
6 Alabama 0.5827
7 Oklahoma St. 0.5765
8 Texas 0.5729
9 Michigan St. 0.5605
10 Florida St. 0.5535
11 Stanford 0.5532
12 Ohio St. 0.5446
13 TCU 0.5444
14 USC 0.5438
15 Oregon 0.5319
16 Cincinnati 0.5221
17 Boise St. 0.4947
18 Northern Ill. 0.4370

Number of Bowl teams played.
1 Auburn 51
1 Florida 51
3 Oklahoma St. 47
3 South Carolina 47
3 Oklahoma 47
3 Texas 47
7 Florida St. 46
8 Alabama 44
8 USC 44
10 Michigan St. 43
11 LSU 41
11 Stanford 41
13 Ohio St. 40
13 TCU 40
15 Cincinnati 38
15 Oregon 38
17 Boise St. 35
18 Northern Ill. 23

Number of opponents with D1A winning records.
1 Florida 47
1 Auburn 47
3 Oklahoma St. 45
4 Oklahoma 44
5 Texas 43
6 LSU 41
6 USC 41
6 Florida St. 41
6 South Carolina 41
10 Stanford 40
10 Alabama 40
12 TCU 38
13 Michigan St. 37
14 Oregon 36
14 Ohio St. 36
16 Cincinnati 34
16 Boise St. 34
18 Northern Ill. 25

Number of opponents that were AP ranked.
1 Auburn 30
2 Florida 27
3 Oklahoma 26
4 LSU 23
4 South Carolina 23
6 Alabama 21
7 Michigan St. 20
7 Stanford 20
9 Texas 19
10 Oklahoma St. 18
10 Florida St. 18
12 USC 16
12 Ohio St. 16
14 Oregon 15
14 TCU 15
16 Cincinnati 9
17 Boise St. 7
18 Northern Ill. 3

Number of opponents that were AP Top 10 ranked.
1 LSU 15
2 Florida 14
3 Auburn 13
4 South Carolina 12
5 Alabama 10
5 USC 10
7 Michigan St. 9
7 Stanford 9
9 Ohio St. 7
9 Oregon 7
11 Oklahoma 5
11 Florida St. 5
11 Oklahoma St. 5
14 Texas 4
14 TCU 4
16 Cincinnati 2
17 Northern Ill. 1

Look over the numbers and tell me how the SEC is getting an advantage and over whom is this advantage taken? BSU, OSU, Oregon, TCU, Stanford? Who do you have in mind since you said we ARE NOT discussing Oklahoma?

 

[Gator]

Doesn't Florida enjoy (sic) a scheduled OOC against Florida St every year?

Kinda like a 5 second headstart....no?

That depends on your point of view doesn't it?

For people looking simply at W/L records then playing FSU is a definite liability. For people looking at SOS it could be an asset providing UF win. The same thing holds for FSU playing UF every year. On Jan 1, 1997 UF beat #1 FSU 52-20 AND on Nov 22, 1997 UF beat #1 FSU 32-29 both we FSU's only loss of each year costing FSU 1 definite NC in 1996 and a probable on the 1997 (opening the door for the split NC with UM and NU.)

 

[WILD FAN]

I just hope they get it right when they choose the 4 teams.. and no bias towards any teams/conferences come into play.. just get the 4 best teams!!

 

[Codaxx]

You do realize this a horrible way to make a comparison? Just to make an example. Bama was #1 on your list, so lets look at last yr:
VT: 8-5
ColState: 8-6
TennChat: 8-4
GeorgiaState: 0-12

according to your data, FCS TennChat would have added the most to Bama's SOS..

 

[4down20]

My team isn't your team so I think it's fair to apply a double standard

Congrats, you're dumb.

 

[Desean12345]

The bias for the SEC will always still be there, which is why i've been an advocate for an 8 or 16 team playoff to help minimize that bias.

It's far more likely that all 4 teams in the playoff are SEc teams, than it is not having any SEC teams make the playoff. That's just the way it goes.

 

[Codaxx]

The bias for the SEC will always still be there, which is why i've been an advocate for an 8 or 16 team playoff to help minimize that bias.

It's far more likely that all 4 teams in the playoff are SEc teams, than it is not having any SEC teams make the playoff. That's just the way it goes.

I dont think so. I think the committee will have a silent 2 teams per conference rule.

 

[4down20]

The bias for the SEC will always still be there, which is why i've been an advocate for an 8 or 16 team playoff to help minimize that bias.

It's far more likely that all 4 teams in the playoff are SEc teams, than it is not having any SEC teams make the playoff. That's just the way it goes.

Cal fan, nuff said.

 

[4down20]

I dont think so. I think the committee will have a silent 2 teams per conference rule.

Bullcrap. It will be minimum of 3 SEC teams per year because every coach who takes a job in the FBS division is forced to put no less than 6 SEC teams in their top10 and every sports writer across the country who gets a vote is from an SEC team.

If the committee even remotely thinks about not including heavy SEC bias, the writers across the country will go on a hunt and there will either be no committee the next year, or everyone on the committee will be replaced. Coaches will use their media times to blast the system.

The SEC owns college football. I think it's noble you other conferences even play games knowing they don't matter.

 

[occupant]

All I needed to know I learned from Ric "Nature Boy" Flair.

"To BE the man, you gotta BEAT the man....WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo!"

Last year two of the top 3 SEC teams got beat in their respective bowl games. The basis of recently perceived SEC Dominance has been built upon the number of consecutive NC's won.

That's over now.

Next?

 

[4down20]

All I needed to know I learned from Ric "Nature Boy" Flair.

"To BE the man, you gotta BEAT the man....WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo!"

Last year two of the top 3 SEC teams got beat in their respective bowl games. The basis of recently perceived SEC Dominance has been built upon the number of consecutive NC's won.

That's over now.

Next?

Next is you have to do it again this season. Unless you believed the SEC dominance started the first year it won a single NC.

 

[occupant]

Next is you have to do it again this season. Unless you believed the SEC dominance started the first year it won a single NC.

SEC dominance began when the mommyship jumped in bed with the SEC.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

SEC dominance began when the mommyship jumped in bed with the SEC.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

 

[4down20]

SEC dominance began when the mommyship jumped in bed with the SEC.

You are one of them people who doesn't understand that ESPN hypes up the top teams no matter who they are?

 

[LawDawg]

Outside of Alabama nobody in the conference really plays challenging non conference teams. After seeing bama not want to play at the sugar bowl last year bc it wasn't the championship, do you think playing the best teams outside of the sec be a challenge for the likes of Lsu, bama and auburn? Alabama was clearly exposed last year in the bowl game and so was Lsu with their close game with Iowa. I was actually quite impressed with auburn and their finish to the season. Anyways, I personally think its gonna bring paradody to college football. What do you guys think?

OP has changed the thread. It's pretty obvious he called out the SEC for their OOC: "Outside of Alabama nobody in the conference really plays challenging non conference teams."

Several posters pointed out where he was wrong. He now says he is only talking about Bama, LSU and Auburn. Candidly, I have no idea what his post is about if he is only talking about Auburn, Bama, and LSU, it would be pretty easy to check the OOC for those 3 teams.

I think he is new to college football with limited historical reference, but hey, it's his thread. Moving along.

 

[Wild Turkey]

Ok the gig is up we had the system rigged during the BCS and we might as well admit it. I doubt we will win another title over the next decade no way can we get Oklahoma, Texas, Notre Dame, Ohio State or Oregon to lay down anymore.

It was a good run and we appreciate all those other schools that sacrificed on our behalf guess it's time to return the favor and let you guys win for a while.