Who will texas maybe Get in a Trade?

[bone3421]

well fuck him then .......

 

[fanman8825]

Shoppach is a massive upgrade over Torrealba in defensive abilities alone. Add his power to that and I think he has value. I agree with you on Broxton, but again I don't think any of us really have any idea what JD has up his sleeve. Not saying its going to be a blockbuster, but he's always made this team better.

Remember last year when texasblues was so up in arms over what we gave up for Adams? Well Wieland got smashed at the ML level in petco park. Looks like Texas got the better end of that deal. JD knows what he's doing. Have faith brothers.

Unfortunately for Weiland he he is having Tommy John surgery tomorrow on his right arm.

 

[romeo212000]

Unfortunately for Weiland he he is having Tommy John surgery tomorrow on his right arm.

Further proving my point.

 

[jta4437]

Further proving my point.

Wieland was rushed and actually was getting better with each start, so not really til the injury popped up

But thats not the same as trading Perez who has always been the superior prospect

 

[Lukawren24]

When you read this article it convinces me to stand pat and hold on to profar and Olt for dear life


Why Rangers can't trade Profar, Olt
Buster Olney [ARCHIVE]

July 30, 2012
Only the St. Louis Cardinals have a greater run differential than the Texas Rangers, and the Rangers rank fourth in the majors in runs. It's not as if Ron Washington's lineup is like the Houston Astros north.

But cracks in that relentless offensive attack have appeared this season, which goes a long way to explain why Texas has built a moat around its two top position-player prospects, Jurickson Profar and Mike Olt.

The days when the Rangers will need offensive help -- when Profar is perhaps the shortstop and Olt is manning first base or right field -- is probably not as far as we realize.

Josh Hamilton's slump has been well-documented, and noted by team president Nolan Ryan, a slide that only complicates the Rangers' decision about how much -- and how many years -- to offer Hamilton if and when he reaches free agency. Hamilton is swinging at more pitches out of the strike zone than ever, and he's missing more than ever, as these numbers from FanGraphs show.

Mike Napoli's batting average is down 93 points; his OPS has dropped more than 250 points. His contract talks with the Rangers were among those greatly affected by the Yadier Molina deal, and so there's no guarantee he'll be back next year or that he'll hit the rest of this season.

Nelson Cruz won't be a free agent until after next year, but he is extraordinarily streaky. He was the most dangerous hitter in the Texas lineup for a stretch in the postseason last year, and this year he went more than a month without a home run. And Cruz is 32 years old.

Michael Young is 35 years old and perhaps the most popular player in Rangers history other than Ryan. His batting average this year is 34 points below his career average, and his on-base percentage is down 82 points. What will he provide in August and September and October and next year in the final year of his contract? It's uncertain.

The 30-year-old Ian Kinsler is among the youngest regulars in the Texas lineup, and he is signed through 2017. But there has been a decline in his performance, as well.

Maybe Kinsler will bounce back. Maybe Hamilton and Nelson and Napoli will. Maybe Young will have a resurgence.

But the Rangers' front office must plan for the possibility that it needs to turn over a significant part of the lineup in the next calendar year, and Profar and Olt are the best internal options.

It didn't feel good for the Rangers to see Zack Greinke go to the Los Angeles Angels, and while Texas could really use an upgrade in its rotation -- especially with the chronically underrated Colby Lewis out of action -- the deadline might pass without the team adding a starting pitcher.

Within two years, Profar and Olt might serve as backbone pieces in the Texas lineup, and while the desire to get the last strike in the last inning of the World Series burns within everyone in the Rangers' organization, hanging on to those two was prudent and the best possible big-picture decision.

The Rangers had been willing to talk about Leonys Martin in a trade proposal for Josh Johnson, but they are said to have backed off after Johnson's erratic outing Sunday.

The Rangers are among the teams talking about Rafael Betancourt.

Other trade stuff

1. It would be a shocker if the San Francisco Giants didn't add an outfielder between now and the trade deadline.

2. The Boston Red Sox are very unlikely to trade Josh Beckett, given the $36.5 million owed him through the end of the 2014 season.

3. The Cleveland Indians don't think they'll end up trading Shin-Soo Choo, given their high asking price. Here's more from Paul Hoynes.

4. The Philadelphia Phillies are expected to be the most active team in the next 30 hours. It's time for the Phillies to focus on 2013, writes David Murphy.

5. Kevin Correia may be traded.

6. Kenny Williams is going to add more.

7. The Minnesota Twins are likely to focus on 2014, writes Charley Walters.

8. Ryan Dempster's trade saga is all about time.

9. Joe Maddon thinks the Tampa Bay Rays will stand pat.

10. The Astros keep getting younger.

11. Kevin Towers is looking for a pitcher.

12. The San Diego Padres signed pitcher Huston Street.

Dings and dents

1. Brian Roberts is having surgery.

2. Andy Pettitte is on schedule to come back in September.

3. Rafael Furcal is hurting.

4. Logan Morrison could miss the rest of the year.

Other stuff

- Marty Brennaman has to get his head shaved.

And today will be better than yesterday.
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[fanman8825]

When you read this article it convinces me to stand pat and hold on to profar and Olt for dear life


Why Rangers can't trade Profar, Olt
Buster Olney [ARCHIVE]

July 30, 2012
Only the St. Louis Cardinals have a greater run differential than the Texas Rangers, and the Rangers rank fourth in the majors in runs. It's not as if Ron Washington's lineup is like the Houston Astros north.

But cracks in that relentless offensive attack have appeared this season, which goes a long way to explain why Texas has built a moat around its two top position-player prospects, Jurickson Profar and Mike Olt.

The days when the Rangers will need offensive help -- when Profar is perhaps the shortstop and Olt is manning first base or right field -- is probably not as far as we realize.

Josh Hamilton's slump has been well-documented, and noted by team president Nolan Ryan, a slide that only complicates the Rangers' decision about how much -- and how many years -- to offer Hamilton if and when he reaches free agency. Hamilton is swinging at more pitches out of the strike zone than ever, and he's missing more than ever, as these numbers from FanGraphs show.

Mike Napoli's batting average is down 93 points; his OPS has dropped more than 250 points. His contract talks with the Rangers were among those greatly affected by the Yadier Molina deal, and so there's no guarantee he'll be back next year or that he'll hit the rest of this season.

Nelson Cruz won't be a free agent until after next year, but he is extraordinarily streaky. He was the most dangerous hitter in the Texas lineup for a stretch in the postseason last year, and this year he went more than a month without a home run. And Cruz is 32 years old.

Michael Young is 35 years old and perhaps the most popular player in Rangers history other than Ryan. His batting average this year is 34 points below his career average, and his on-base percentage is down 82 points. What will he provide in August and September and October and next year in the final year of his contract? It's uncertain.

The 30-year-old Ian Kinsler is among the youngest regulars in the Texas lineup, and he is signed through 2017. But there has been a decline in his performance, as well.

Maybe Kinsler will bounce back. Maybe Hamilton and Nelson and Napoli will. Maybe Young will have a resurgence.

But the Rangers' front office must plan for the possibility that it needs to turn over a significant part of the lineup in the next calendar year, and Profar and Olt are the best internal options.

It didn't feel good for the Rangers to see Zack Greinke go to the Los Angeles Angels, and while Texas could really use an upgrade in its rotation -- especially with the chronically underrated Colby Lewis out of action -- the deadline might pass without the team adding a starting pitcher.

Within two years, Profar and Olt might serve as backbone pieces in the Texas lineup, and while the desire to get the last strike in the last inning of the World Series burns within everyone in the Rangers' organization, hanging on to those two was prudent and the best possible big-picture decision.

The Rangers had been willing to talk about Leonys Martin in a trade proposal for Josh Johnson, but they are said to have backed off after Johnson's erratic outing Sunday.

The Rangers are among the teams talking about Rafael Betancourt.

Other trade stuff

1. It would be a shocker if the San Francisco Giants didn't add an outfielder between now and the trade deadline.

2. The Boston Red Sox are very unlikely to trade Josh Beckett, given the $36.5 million owed him through the end of the 2014 season.

3. The Cleveland Indians don't think they'll end up trading Shin-Soo Choo, given their high asking price. Here's more from Paul Hoynes.

4. The Philadelphia Phillies are expected to be the most active team in the next 30 hours. It's time for the Phillies to focus on 2013, writes David Murphy.

5. Kevin Correia may be traded.

6. Kenny Williams is going to add more.

7. The Minnesota Twins are likely to focus on 2014, writes Charley Walters.

8. Ryan Dempster's trade saga is all about time.

9. Joe Maddon thinks the Tampa Bay Rays will stand pat.

10. The Astros keep getting younger.

11. Kevin Towers is looking for a pitcher.

12. The San Diego Padres signed pitcher Huston Street.

Dings and dents

1. Brian Roberts is having surgery.

2. Andy Pettitte is on schedule to come back in September.

3. Rafael Furcal is hurting.

4. Logan Morrison could miss the rest of the year.

Other stuff

- Marty Brennaman has to get his head shaved.

And today will be better than yesterday.
Comment on this story

Great article. I agree with Olney on Profar and Olt

 

[romeo212000]

Great article. I agree with Olney on Profar and Olt

Me too. Could probably add Alfaro to that list too. Texas is losing some big bats and I wouldn't bet the farm that Elvis will extend with Texas with Boras being his agent. Texas may look to flip Cruz next year and they will need power bats sooner rather than later. We may not be able to wait for Joey gallo.

 

[jaar01]

Well, Nolan and JD have about 16 hours to acquire a legit starting pitcher. If they don't, and we all know Oswalt is garbage and shouldn't pitch again for Texas, then they are basically throwing in the towel on 2012 unless Feldman keeps pitching well and Ogando becomes a solid starter the rest of the way. Both of these things must happen for us to contend in October.

 

[fanman8825]

Rangers acquire Giovanni Soto from the Cubs

 

[romeo212000]

Why?

 

[WilltheThrill]

Soto has declined for the last 3 years. He's currently hitting .197. A marginal upgrade over Torrealba. At least it cost the Rangers nothing. Hopefully this is just the first deal with more to come.

 

[Lukawren24]

Rangers acquire Giovanni Soto from the Cubs

Don't get that move at all. That's like making a trade just for the hell of it

 

[romeo212000]

I'm not understanding what the point of this deal is unless JD is about to trade Torrealba away.

 

[WilltheThrill]

I'm not understanding what the point of this deal is unless JD is about to trade Torrealba away.

I'm with you. I really don't understand this move. The only thing I will say is that Soto does have higher upside than Torrealba. Whether the Rangers ever get to witness any of that "upside" is another matter.

 

[romeo212000]

I'm just wondering if Torrealba isn't about to go bye bye.

 

[fanman8825]

Why?

For his defense. His Ba is south of 200. We gave up P Jacob Brigham fron Frisco

 

[romeo212000]

Brigham was never going to see the bigs here in Texas. This has to be a move setting up another move.

 

[fanman8825]

I'm just wondering if Torrealba isn't about to go bye bye.

There is probably another deal in the works

 

[fanman8825]

Brigham was never going to see the bigs here in Texas. This has to be a move setting up another move.

Agree.

 

[elziegreat42]

I'm with you. I really don't understand this move. The only thing I will say is that Soto does have higher upside than Torrealba. Whether the Rangers ever get to witness any of that "upside" is another matter.

well, nightengale likes it.......

Bob Nightengale‏@BNightengale

Great move by #Rangers getting Soto from #Cubs, giving them C for next year as well with Napoli a free agent.