What Will A New HC Mean to Some of Our Veteran Players?

[flyerhawk]

Matt Hasselbeck was just on with B&S. They asked him who he would be calling if he had the task of replacing Pete, and his response was that he wouldn't have let him go. He went on to say if you're going to do something like fire a coach or get rid of your QB, you have to have someone to replace them with who's better for the job. Shazam!

If you cut Geno before 2/15, you don't have a QB under contract for 2024 and the draft is still 2+ months away with no assurance you can emerge with a viable QB. You can't force a free agent to come on board, and that may end up being more costly anyway and also may not upgrade the position. I hope they can restructure and bring that 31M number down a little bit, but I can't think they'll just decide to go into the new league year with 0 QBs on the roster. Reckless is a good word for it.

They only restructure Geno's contract if they actually need the cap space.

It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to move on from Geno just to move on from him. I get why some fans like the idea because they are always hoping the new QB will the next Mahomes. But that's not how you manage a football team.

Keep Geno, maybe restructure. Draft a QB. Have them compete for the starting job.

 

[flyerhawk]

quinn may end up getting fired along with the rest of the coaching staff, its not a good look to hire the guy after that. at best he could be DC for ben johnson or bobby slowick. but even then...

now youre just being dramatic

why?

The Cowboys played really poorly yesterday on both sides of the ball. McCarthy is likely to be fired. They may elevate Quinn to HC or they may fire him.

If the Seahawks were planning to make him HC and they let yesterday's game sway them, then they are incompetent.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

So you would want the Seahawks to cut Geno and sign Minshew?

Pointing out that the Seahawks aren't getting the bang for their buck with Geno.

 

[JMR]

why?

I think the next HC has to be someone with a firmer hand than PC. Pete was maybe the most extreme players coach I can remember, and I think that allowed some of the issues we've had with indiscipline, knucklehead behavior & penalties. Vrabel would course correct on that stuff, and he's a proven commodity at the NFL level as a HC. And I prefer him to Quinn because Vrabel has no direct ties to Pete, and a clean transition is probably better for the team going forward.

 

[flyerhawk]

Pointing out that the Seahawks aren't getting the bang for their buck with Geno.

Because Minshew, a lifetime backup played ok after the Colts were basically out of the playoff hunt, is cheaper?

Maybe the Chargers should cut Herbert since he is not playing up to his contract.

 

[MrS]

I think the next HC has to be someone with a firmer hand than PC. Pete was maybe the most extreme players coach I can remember, and I think that allowed some of the issues we've had with indiscipline, knucklehead behavior & penalties. Vrabel would course correct on that stuff, and he's a proven commodity at the NFL level as a HC. And I prefer him to Quinn because Vrabel has no direct ties to Pete, and a clean transition is probably better for the team going forward.

I agree with that part whole heartedly.

 

[JMR]

Keep Geno, maybe restructure. Draft a QB. Have them compete for the starting job.

Yeah, diversify the investment. Having Geno around when the draft outcome is uncertain gives you a pretty high floor vs where you would be if you cut him and then don't get the draft to go your way. Now if we could save $50M of cap space by cutting Geno, then that's a different conversation. Geno's job security is in the 2/15 milestone triggering that $ before free agency or the draft. If that wasn't a thing, that changes the conversation as well.

 

[flyerhawk]

Yeah, diversify the investment. Having Geno around when the draft outcome is uncertain gives you a pretty high floor vs where you would be if you cut him and then don't get the draft to go your way. Now if we could save $50M of cap space by cutting Geno, then that's a different conversation. Geno's job security is in the 2/15 milestone triggering that $ before free agency or the draft. If that wasn't a thing, that changes the conversation as well.

Yeah. If we could save a huge amount of cap money then that would be a different story. Even if we cut him before 2/15, which seems very unlikely, we are still out 17 million in cap money and only saving 13 million for 2024. And then we literally have zero QBs on the roster.

 

[JMR]

Yeah. If we could save a huge amount of cap money then that would be a different story. Even if we cut him before 2/15, which seems very unlikely, we are still out 17 million in cap money and only saving 13 million for 2024. And then we literally have zero QBs on the roster.

Yeah, and I think 0 QBs left at a cost of $17M is worse than having Geno on the team at cost of $31M. If we could decide on Geno after free agency and/or the draft, then different story. If we had Drew Lock under contract for 2024, then different story. If the savings of cutting Geno was significantly more than $14M, different story. But as it is, it seems emphatically more likely than not that he's here for 2024.

But if the new HC is MrS or Harold, all bets are off.

 

[MrS]

The Cowboys played really poorly yesterday on both sides of the ball. McCarthy is likely to be fired. They may elevate Quinn to HC or they may fire him.

If the Seahawks were planning to make him HC and they let yesterday's game sway them, then they are incompetent.

it would be incompetence to hire him, ho-hum status quo setting themselves up for failure.

 

[flyerhawk]

it would be incompetence to hire him, ho-hum status quo setting themselves up for failure.

We heard the same thing when Pete Carroll was hired. Scheider knows Quinn as well as anyone.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Because Minshew, a lifetime backup played ok after the Colts were basically out of the playoff hunt, is cheaper?

Actually Minshew started all but 4 games. Ironic you mentioning him as a lifetime backup who played OK because that sounds a lot like Geno.

 

[flyerhawk]

Actually Minshew started all but 4 games. Ironic you mentioning him as a lifetime backup who played OK because that sounds a lot like Geno.

Minshew started all 4 games because their starter got knocked out for the season. Minshew was brought on specifically in case Richardson couldn't start. Which is exactly what I'm saying the Seahawks should do.

Saving 13 million dollars of cap money isn't worth not having ANY QB on the roster. I honestly don't understand how any Hawks fan would be ok with that. The new coach would be set up to completely fail.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Minshew started all 4 games because their starter got knocked out for the season. Minshew was brought on specifically in case Richardson couldn't start. Which is exactly what I'm saying the Seahawks should do.

Saving 13 million dollars of cap money isn't worth not having ANY QB on the roster. I honestly don't understand how any Hawks fan would be ok with that. The new coach would be set up to completely fail.

Could be they decide saving 13 million isn't worth cutting Geno. The way the contract is set up wasn't to the Seahawks benefit, his play in 2023 doesn't speak to him being worth 31 million in pay. Seahawks continue to have after effects from the Pete-JS front office incompetence with contracts. Not as bad as the Adams contract perhaps, but not good.

 

[flyerhawk]

Could be they decide saving 13 million isn't worth cutting Geno. The way the contract is set up wasn't to the Seahawks benefit, his play in 2023 doesn't speak to him being worth 31 million in pay. Seahawks continue to have after effects from the Pete-JS front office incompetence with contracts. Not as bad as the Adams contract perhaps, but not good.

LOL. You think the Geno contract wasn't team friendly? That's certainly a take.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

LOL. You think the Geno contract wasn't team friendly? That's certainly a take.

You tell me, is the dead money in the contract a big part of the reason he may not be released? Yes, yes it is. I get that you and a few others here thought the contract was brilliant. I never agreed with that take.

 

[flyerhawk]

You tell me, is the dead money in the contract a big part of the reason he may not be released? Yes, yes it is. I get that you and a few others here thought the contract was brilliant. I never agreed with that take.

I know you didn't. Because you wanted the Seahawks to do the same thing last year that you want them to do this year. Draft a QB and pray that it works out and have no real contingency plan.

Just about every outside observer thought that the Geno contract was a good deal for the Seahawks. You know why? Because they looked at the Daniel Jones deal and the Derek Carr deal and saw that the contract gave the Seahawks a ton more flexibility compared to those deals.

The Seahawks fired Pete Carroll despite the team going 9-8. Why? Because they want the team to do BETTER than 9-8. Expecting the team to act like a 3-14 team and blindly rely on a rookie QB to carry them isn't going to happen. Given where we draft, I would imagine that our future coach will demand that Geno stay on.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Given where we draft, I would imagine that our future coach will demand that Geno stay on.

Maybe or maybe not. I suspect since Geno has to be released in February or keep him for the season, thanks to the contract, it makes it more challenging to release him even though I'm sure the new HC won't think he's worth 31 million. It's pretty standard for new hires to want to go with their own choice at QB unless it's a upper tier QB in place, so lets just see how this plays out

 

[JMR]

Geno's 2024 and 2025 dead cap numbers are puny compared to some other starting QBs who signed contracts at the same time. Derek Carr's dead cap # for '24 is $52.8M. They have no prayer to get out from under that contract until 2025, and the dead cap number at that time will still be $17M. Daniel Jones' dead cap numbers for the next 2 seasons: 69M & 22M. The Hawks seem to have done pretty well with Geno's contract. Even Jimmy G's 2024 dead cap # is $28M.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Geno's 2024 and 2025 dead cap numbers are puny compared to some other starting QBs who signed contracts at the same time. Derek Carr's dead cap # for '24 is $52.8M. They have no prayer to get out from under that contract until 2025, and the dead cap number at that time will still be $17M. Daniel Jones' dead cap numbers for the next 2 seasons: 69M & 22M. The Hawks seem to have done pretty well with Geno's contract. Even Jimmy G's 2024 dead cap # is $28M.

Well I'll say this, Geno's dead money is peanuts compared to the dead money the Bronco's are taking with the RW contract ( or so it appears). However bad contracts are abundant in the NFL but I won't justify Geno's contract by saying well it not as terrible as X contract or Y contract so therefore it's a good contract.