what does tannehill's contract mean for Rg3 ?

[j_y19]

Outside of DJax, who basically just got here, what receiving corp are you referring to? Garcon, who is a nice player fills the role of supporting member if he plays in a system geared towards the strengths of actual players on the roster. Admit it MS came here determined to install his ZBS without realizing that 1. It was outdated and 2. He didn't have the personnel or talent to hope for continued success.

There's a reason why Seattle is as successful as they are. To look at their offensive roster you could easilly argue, that they don't individually have much. Enter Pete Carroll, who also looked and must have asked, how do I get this group to succeed? We've never had a coach who has done that in the last two hires. SM is building a team much like those he's previously been associated with. If Gruden is unable to follow Carroll's ability to adjust to his personnel, he will follow MS's azz out the door.

BTW: if you don't buy the argument that he was mishandled, why do you give credence to that argument by stating that "he was woefully unprepared to be a pocket passing pro qb?" You don't devise a system believe that this player or that one is a bad fit in that system, and start him anyway.

The reason why Seattle is successful is because they hit on quite a few lower draft picks who turned into very good players. Your stance that RG3 should have sat his first couple of years is unrealistic. You don't spend 3 1sts and a 2nd on a player and then have him ride the pine to learn behind who? Rex? Please. Shanahan would have been run out of town that year. Also, you claim that shanahan wouldn't adjust the scheme to fit the players, but isn't that exactly what he did in year 1 with Robert?

Let's face it, Robert never deserved to be drafted where he was. And we way over paid. In hindsight, it should have been obvious. He had never led an offense remotely close to an NFL style. He basically played sandlot football all through HS and college. He would run around, using his superior speed until a receiver broke wide open. Almost all of us (props to shark) fell in love with his athleticism. The problem is in the NFL, all the players are great athletes.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Thanks for the clarificaton Stymie, your intial post didn't say that at all.

I'm a big RGIII guy too as you probably know. My belief in him is dropping but I'm still holding out hope. But I do not agree that he was mishandled. He WAS woefully unprepared to be a pocket passing pro QB. But that's because he never played in that system in his entire life. There's a reason so many big time spread offense QBs flame out in the NFlL, the list is endless. And that reason is they are all woefully unprepared to be a pocket passing pro QB.

The Shanny's knew this but took a chance anyway due to his overwhelming talent. They understood it would take several years so in a move that should be considered brilliant but for some reason is not by many Kyle devised an offense that would take advantage of his skills while he learned the pro game. That offense took the league by storm and is now run by a huge number of teams. But because Griff regressed Kyle was run out of tow and called an idiot by ignorant fans IMO. It's not Kyle's fault Griffin became too big for his britches and demanded certain plays, the plays that made him successful, be taken out of the playbook.

So now they have a coach who tried to do as Griffin insisted, make him a pocket passer. And as we all saw he failed miserably. it's not the coaches fault he takes the wrong number of steps on his drops and does not throw to wide open receivers, even when he is looking right at them. So a lot of this hinges on Griffin's ability to learn how to play this game. I don't think he was mishandled at all, at some point in time you gotta learn how to stand in the pocket, dodge pressure, and throw it where you are supposed to when you are supposed to. If he can't develop those skills he isn't a good pro QB, end of story.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I was listening to Andrew Brandt and Ross Tucker breaking down Tannehills contract and what it really means for the franchise and for the player.

What stood out to me most is Brandt's point about needing to think about contracts in terms of STEP guarantees.

One guarantee at signing

One guarantee in the second year (in cases of good players this is always most likely but it still remains conceivable that it doesn't happen)

One guarantee in year 3 which only kicks in if they are on the roster in March.

That means that Ryan earns about 25 million guaranteed for the first 2 years. Not bad for an up and coming top 20 QB in the league)

And this 25 mill is really the only dollar amount that is pretty much guaranteed.

That sounds like a win/win for the franchise and the player in this case.

Ryan feels more secure and the franchise can cut ties before giving franchise QB dollars to a player that may not be smart down the road.



As to how that type of a contract is relevant to Griffin...

I like the step guarantee format of this style of contract.

It gives Griffin money and security if he is performing well and improving.

It protects the franchise if Griffin doesn't perform to expectation and doesn't lock the team into a 7 year deal, even tho it may be a 7 year contract on paper.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I love how contracts are structured these says. Deals like this one for Tennehill and the one for Kap sound great when they are advertised, that's the agent trying to shine brightly. But as we see in the post above once they are broken down they are really a lot more "you get paid if you perform" than in years past.

 

[skinsdad62]

sty , the skins used lots of read option plays to help Rg3 get adjusted and it worked to a point until his body began to fail him . he wasnt mishandled

his diva attitude is the huge cause to all of his failures .

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

sty , the skins used lots of read option plays to help Rg3 get adjusted and it worked to a point until his body began to fail him . he wasnt mishandled

his diva attitude is the huge cause to all of his failures .

Amen

 

[j_y19]

sty , the skins used lots of read option plays to help Rg3 get adjusted and it worked to a point until his body began to fail him . he wasnt mishandled

his diva attitude is the huge cause to all of his failures .

Double Amen. He hasn't been mishandled, he's been treated like a professional NFL QB he should be. He was caudled his entire life and told how great he is. Now he's hit some adversity. So far, he hasn't handled it very well.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Hopefully an improved Oline will help this.

 

[Sharkinva]

We will know his fate and his future as a Redskin by week 8. The contract stuff will work itself out as it always seems to do in the end.

 

[Stymietee]

OK gentlemen, then let me ask the question. Since the team was determined to draft him let's eliminate not drafting him as an option.........so.......Knowing what you know right now about his shortcomings, if you could go back and were in charge of his development from the beginning what would you do, start him or take the time to teach him?

 

[Stymietee]

The reason why Seattle is successful is because they hit on quite a few lower draft picks who turned into very good players. Your stance that RG3 should have sat his first couple of years is unrealistic. You don't spend 3 1sts and a 2nd on a player and then have him ride the pine to learn behind who? Rex? Please. Shanahan would have been run out of town that year. Also, you claim that shanahan wouldn't adjust the scheme to fit the players, but isn't that exactly what he did in year 1 with Robert?

Let's face it, Robert never deserved to be drafted where he was. And we way over paid. In hindsight, it should have been obvious. He had never led an offense remotely close to an NFL style. He basically played sandlot football all through HS and college. He would run around, using his superior speed until a receiver broke wide open. Almost all of us (props to shark) fell in love with his athleticism. The problem is in the NFL, all the players are great athletes.

I know how difficult it is for some to give Pete Carroll his due, but the fact is it was his system that made it possible for those late round draft choices to get a real opportunity, fit in, and flourish. As far as your point that the Shanahans adjusting the scheme to fit RGIII in year one, you would be correct, but totally off base to assume that the rest of the team fit the scheme. 2012's success was a result of the novelty of that scheme. When the rest of the league figured it out, well you know the results of that.

OK, he shouldn't have been drafted when and where he was, I've asked a question relating to that. Looking forward to your response to it. Thanks!

 

[j_y19]

I know how difficult it is for some to give Pete Carroll his due, but the fact is it was his system that made it possible for those late round draft choices to get a real opportunity, fit in, and flourish. As far as your point that the Shanahans adjusting the scheme to fit RGIII in year one, you would be correct, but totally off base to assume that the rest of the team fit the scheme. 2012's success was a result of the novelty of that scheme. When the rest of the league figured it out, well you know the results of that.

OK, he shouldn't have been drafted when and where he was, I've asked a question relating to that. Looking forward to your response to it. Thanks!

I can't answer your question because I disagree with the premise. If we are going back in hindsight with the knowledge we have now, I would have never drafted him at 2. I still maintain that if you give up 3 #1s and a #2 for a QB and you have nothing else at the position, he has to start. But if we can use hindsight to replay the decision, you stay at 4 and think of the talent that we could have had over those last 3 drafts with those picks. We still might not have a QB (although if KC was getting full reps, maybe we would), we most definitely would probably not have gone to the playoffs, but we would have been ready with other areas of the team, waiting for that right opportunity to get our QB.

 

[Stymietee]

I can't answer your question because I disagree with the premise. If we are going back in hindsight with the knowledge we have now, I would have never drafted him at 2. I still maintain that if you give up 3 #1s and a #2 for a QB and you have nothing else at the position, he has to start. But if we can use hindsight to replay the decision, you stay at 4 and think of the talent that we could have had over those last 3 drafts with those picks. We still might not have a QB (although if KC was getting full reps, maybe we would), we most definitely would probably not have gone to the playoffs, but we would have been ready with other areas of the team, waiting for that right opportunity to get our QB.

Fair enough, but I believe that you cannot answer the question because the answer is as obvious to you now as it was to me then.
It is interesting that you dsagree with the premise, then go on to respond to that same premise as if I was the question. I totally suspected that this would be the answer coming back from many here. Advoidance is an answer, even if no one wants to admit it.

 

[j_y19]

Fair enough, but I believe that you cannot answer the question because the answer is as obvious to you now as it was to me then.

In an ideal world, you always would love to have your heir apparent QB on the bench for a couple of years learning. But that rarely happens anymore and we don't live in an ideal world. Who would you have started over those couple of years while Robert was developing? Rex? KC? And how would you have handle the diva since he threw fits every time he wasn't playing when he thought he should? This is an area (Robert's diva personality) that you continuously gloss over. In reality, It would have caused a major rift.

 

[Stymietee]

In an ideal world, you always would love to have your heir apparent QB on the bench for a couple of years learning. But that rarely happens anymore and we don't live in an ideal world. Who would you have started over those couple of years while Robert was developing? Rex? KC? And how would you have handle the diva since he threw fits every time he wasn't playing when he thought he should? This is an area (Robert's diva personality) that you continuously gloss over. In reality, It would have caused a major rift.

In an ideal world our team would have been run like a professional organization should have been, including in fact not starting the Diva QB. Who I would have started is irrelevant any of them would have sucked and I would have been fine with that because in the meantime I was properly preparing my future at the position. I do not gloss over his diva personality, in fact I address it in much the same manner that the team did when they drafted Joe Theisman. Sit his diva ass down until he's ready is as big a cure for that as any. No rift either, because an adult would have been in charge not the young QB calling the shots. So ashamed for M. Shanahan, somewhere along the line in his quest for power, he swallowed his sack!

 

[j_y19]

In an ideal world our team would have been run like a professional organization should have been, including in fact not starting the Diva QB. Who I would have started is irrelevant any of them would have sucked and I would have been fine with that because in the meantime I was properly preparing my future at the position. I do not gloss over his diva personality, in fact I address it in much the same manner that the team did when they drafted Joe Theisman. Sit his diva ass down until he's ready is as big a cure for that as any. No rift either, because an adult would have been in charge not the young QB calling the shots. So ashamed for M. Shanahan, somewhere along the line in his quest for power, he swallowed his sack!

I take no issue with the fact that this has been an unprofessional organization since the death of JKC. But the situation with JT was much different. Much different. First, JT was not a first round pick that the franchise gutted multiple drafts on obtain. Second, we had a HOF QB ahead of him and a second QB that proved to be a gamer. There was no question who should have started and it was not theism an. Finally, the fan base would have mutinied if Robert didn't start. In theory, your recommendation sounds great. In practice, it was unrealistic to expect any coach not to start Robert game 1.

 

[skinsdad62]

sty you had to start him right away . you gave up too much to get him to not ,Rg3's problems are of his own doing . . he can control film study, he can control his accepting of coaching and he can show some courage

 

[skinsdad62]

Examining Redskins RG3s passing under pressure | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

some more indictments of Rg3's play

 

[BeaReylo]

i have said it before and i will say it again , that "potential " buzz word for people clinging to hope has left the station .

in year 4 we should be talking about mastering the qb position not talking about "his potential " his production is garbage and russell wilson "worst year " 20 tds 7 ints is just about equal to his 20 td 5 int rookie year yet some believe Rg3 is a better passer . hogwash

in fact right now tannehill is a better qb and he is supposed to be avg

now he has a long way to come from being a lower 1/3 qb in the nfl and what i expect from Rg3 is mediorce passing numbers , and a guy living off a fluke rookie year . his injury robbed him of his best weapon but as long as he plays like he does vs tampa bay (and all to often he does KC game anyone ?) then he will be hyped for potential but in reality he is in the tavaris jackson category of BU/hanger on

show me on the field he is something and stop talking to me about "potential " you will "potential " your ass right into the scrap heap of broken dreams and cardale jones

I couldn't have said it better myself. Potential
just means you don't have yet. After four sodding years we should not have to wonder if he can play in a pro style offense or ever learn to read defenses. Griffin has a lot of questions that should have been answered now. At this point its obvious he is not the answer at QB.

 

[Stymietee]

TE="Redskin Diamond, post: 6656944, member: 9563"]I couldn't have said it better myself. Potential
just means you don't have yet. After four sodding years we should not have to wonder if he can play in a pro style offense or ever learn to read defenses. Griffin has a lot of questions that should have been answered now. At this point its obvious he is not the answer at QB.[/QUOTE]

We'll see!!