what does tannehill's contract mean for Rg3 ?

[Stymietee]

I take no issue with the fact that this has been an unprofessional organization since the death of JKC. But the situation with JT was much different. Much different. First, JT was not a first round pick that the franchise gutted multiple drafts on obtain. Second, we had a HOF QB ahead of him and a second QB that proved to be a gamer. There was no question who should have started and it was not theism an. Finally, the fan base would have mutinied if Robert didn't start. In theory, your recommendation sounds great. In practice, it was unrealistic to expect any coach not to start Robert game 1.

..........And here we are, four years out, having to deal with not making that unrealistic decision. Sigh, oh well, gotta keep things in perspective with this team, after all it did take them 15 years to realize that they needed to hire a competent GM.

 

[Sharkinva]

TE="Redskin Diamond, post: 6656944, member: 9563"]I couldn't have said it better myself. Potential
just means you don't have yet. After four sodding years we should not have to wonder if he can play in a pro style offense or ever learn to read defenses. Griffin has a lot of questions that should have been answered now. At this point its obvious he is not the answer at QB.

We'll see!![/QUOTE]


Whats there to see. He either steps up and becomes the QB the team was hoping for or close to it this year... or his arse is a backup else where.

 

[BeaReylo]

This article is in touch with this threads theme. It is from Shanahan's POV so take it with a grain or two of salt. He still seems bitter about his failed stint here.
Former Redskins coach Mike Shanahan says injuries arent to blame for RGIIIs regression - The Washington Post

 

[skinsdad62]

This article is in touch with this threads theme. It is from Shanahan's POV so take it with a grain or two of salt. He still seems bitter about his failed stint here.
Former Redskins coach Mike Shanahan says injuries arent to blame for RGIIIs regression - The Washington Post

i read that but didnt post it because it could be a little tainted

 

[BeaReylo]

i read that but didnt post it because it could be a little tainted

I'm sure it is. But, as alway, in a conflict there are two sides to every story...somewhere in the middle lies the truth. Shanny holds a grudge but there is some merit to his assertation of Bobby boy(emphasis on some).

 

[Stymietee]

We'll see!!

Whats there to see. He either steps up and becomes the QB the team was hoping for or close to it this year... or his arse is a backup else where.[/QUOTE]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^That^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

This is the Shanny quote I felt was the most relevant:

But he hasn’t done things that the NFL asks you to do, and it does take some growing pains to go through that. All quarterbacks do — you take a look at Elway, you take a look at Manning, Steve Young — it doesn’t happen overnight, and they ran the pro offenses all the way through college. When you haven’t run that type of system, it’s going to take a little bit longer, and you better really work on it inside and out to get better at it or you’ll just be right in the middle of the road.”

Again the key is will Griff be willing to put in the work, something that has been questioned. But I think he got the message. Of course it may never happen but IMO to claim that after year 3 you are out of time, the final chapter has been written or to say that he must be a great QB this year or he's out is nuts IMO. As I said before the professions have patience, the fans do not.

 

[Stymietee]

This is the Shanny quote I felt was the most relevant:

But he hasn’t done things that the NFL asks you to do, and it does take some growing pains to go through that. All quarterbacks do — you take a look at Elway, you take a look at Manning, Steve Young — it doesn’t happen overnight, and they ran the pro offenses all the way through college. When you haven’t run that type of system, it’s going to take a little bit longer, and you better really work on it inside and out to get better at it or you’ll just be right in the middle of the road.”

Again the key is will Griff be willing to put in the work, something that has been questioned. But I think he got the message. Of course it may never happen but IMO to claim that after year 3 you are out of time, the final chapter has been written or to say that he must be a great QB this year or he's out is nuts IMO. As I said before the professions have patience, the fans do not.

One of the great problems is that we live in an instant gratification society now DGF. I agree with you that any declarations that 3 years is enough is a fan based notion. Unfortunately, it appears that the owner and team president are also fans looking for instant gratification as well. Going forward there could come a time where the professionals are at loggerheads with these two as was/ is the case with Griffin, their lack of patience an inability to ignore public scrutiny causes them to revert back to nontraditional methods. For all of our sakes.......let's hope not!

 

[j_y19]

One of the great problems is that we live in an instant gratification society now DGF. I agree with you that any declarations that 3 years is enough is a fan based notion. Unfortunately, it appears that the owner and team president are also fans looking for instant gratification as well. Going forward there could come a time where the professionals are at loggerheads with these two as was/ is the case with Griffin, their lack of patience an inability to ignore public scrutiny causes them to revert back to nontraditional methods. For all of our sakes.......let's hope not!

Not sure how you can make this statement about Snyder and Allen as it pertains to griffin specifically. It has been them that have lobbied for griffin, it has been his HCs that want to pull the plug on the guy. I also take issue that we the fans say 3 years is enough. What we are saying is that after 3 years, he has shown no improvement which is troubling. It is reasonable to expect that any QB that is expected to be a NFL caliber QB show some improvement. He still can't read a defense. Can't find open receivers. Can't take proper drops. Can't anticipate pass openings. And can't protect himself by smart avoidance of contact (sliding, getting out of bounds, or throwing away the ball on broken plays). These are all skills that a QB must master regardless of the scheme and must be developed by repitition on the practice field and study in the film room. Again, this is on the QB himself to undertake. He shouldn't need a coach to tell him to do it at this level.

 

[Stymietee]

Not sure how you can make this statement about Snyder and Allen as it pertains to griffin specifically. It has been them that have lobbied for griffin, it has been his HCs that want to pull the plug on the guy. I also take issue that we the fans say 3 years is enough. What we are saying is that after 3 years, he has shown no improvement which is troubling. It is reasonable to expect that any QB that is expected to be a NFL caliber QB show some improvement. He still can't read a defense. Can't find open receivers. Can't take proper drops. Can't anticipate pass openings. And can't protect himself by smart avoidance of contact (sliding, getting out of bounds, or throwing away the ball on broken plays). These are all skills that a QB must master regardless of the scheme and must be developed by repitition on the practice field and study in the film room. Again, this is on the QB himself to undertake. He shouldn't need a coach to tell him to do it at this level.

It's easy to make the correlation between the two, given real power I'm sure that not starting him after the draft would have been an option considered by smart forward thinking coaches. As we all know, the HC for all of his perceived power at the time was not calling the shots when it came to playing Griffin. That decision came from the fan in chief through hs mouthpiece, th other fan.

Everything, that you've listed could have been taught, and to be fair cncentrated on by Griffin himself if he was allowed time to singularly focus on learning instead of having to prepare for the next game. Yep, I'm sticking to principal, we should have given the kid time to learn how to operate in a pro-style offense. To hell with backlash from fans or media types, just tell them the truth," he's never learned to play in a pro-style offense and we're not going to delay his growth by rushing him into a situation that he's not prepared to function in" an easy public statement, of course if they don't like it........Fuk 'em!!!!

 

[Sharkinva]

It's easy to make the correlation between the two, given real power I'm sure that not starting him after the draft would have been an option considered by smart forward thinking coaches. As we all know, the HC for all of his perceived power at the time was not calling the shots when it came to playing Griffin. That decision came from the fan in chief through hs mouthpiece, th other fan.

Everything, that you've listed could have been taught, and to be fair cncentrated on by Griffin himself if he was allowed time to singularly focus on learning instead of having to prepare for the next game. Yep, I'm sticking to principal, we should have given the kid time to learn how to operate in a pro-style offense. To hell with backlash from fans or media types, just tell them the truth," he's never learned to play in a pro-style offense and we're not going to delay his growth by rushing him into a situation that he's not prepared to function in" an easy public statement, of course if they don't like it........Fuk 'em!!!!

The reality is, you dont draft a guy in the top five of any draft and sit him for 2-4 years while he learns to play the position. That doesnt even take into account what we gave up to trade up for him. SO if he really wasnt ready, it was a mistake taking him that high. In fact if he needed to sit 2-3 years or more then he wasnt worthy of a top ten pick period.


As for now, we are past the point where we can regret taking him. He either develops this year, and becomes a decent QB, or he goes down as a bust.

 

[skinsdad62]

i find it laughable that a qb hasnt shown steady improvement in 3 years and some people expect i should invest more time in him . he was a number 2 overall pick for the love of god . . again in year 4 potential isnt a word we should be using , we should see him beginning to master the position not trying to graduate from qb 101

he has regressed since his rookie year . that says it all

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Oh I totally get the concern, he is going backwards. But again that was his first year in a totally new offense, an offense that at first pretty much abandoned what he did well. He played like crap, then his confidence was shot and he became a pussy in the pocket, afraid to cut it lose to open receivers.

But there is still a chance he can develop the things he lacks. To bail on him now is nuts, again there is no Plan B right now sitting on the bench unless you really believe Kirk is the long term answer. It goes without saying that he will learn when to take a 5 step drop at some point and possibly the ability to throw on time, when the receiver is about to become open rather than waiting until he is open and then throwing, which is of course too late.

But I still go back to his pathetic instincts in the pocket. His lack of ability to feel pressure, make those ever so slight moves like Romo does to duck the OLB, step up, and deliver. I fear that is instincts you either have or you don't have.

 

[reptec101]

Oh I totally get the concern, he is going backwards. But again that was his first year in a totally new offense, an offense that at first pretty much abandoned what he did well. He played like crap, then his confidence was shot and he became a pussy in the pocket, afraid to cut it lose to open receivers.

But there is still a chance he can develop the things he lacks. To bail on him now is nuts, again there is no Plan B right now sitting on the bench unless you really believe Kirk is the long term answer. It goes without saying that he will learn when to take a 5 step drop at some point and possibly the ability to throw on time, when the receiver is about to become open rather than waiting until he is open and then throwing, which is of course too late.

But I still go back to his pathetic instincts in the pocket. His lack of ability to feel pressure, make those ever so slight moves like Romo does to duck the OLB, step up, and deliver. I fear that is instincts you either have or you don't have.

When you don't have agility you have to have instincts. Big Ben, Romo... yada yada yada. Grif has the agility but lacks instinct. He has to put hurting that knee again out of his mind and tuck it and run. Its who he is whether he wants to believe that or not. I'm more excited to see how he does this year mores than I ever was year one. Will see soon enough.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

He had definitely shown that he will go down more quickly and it's nice to see that he has sorta learned how to slide, at least now it does not look like his cleat will stick and his leg will snap in 2 every time he "slides".

And maybe, just maybe, he will break the habit of immediately going right and trying to beat the outside rusher to the edge at the first sign of pressure. So many times I backed it up and one step up was a wide open pocket. Drove me nuts.

Hard to say if that part will ever change. But like I said Griff behind the Dallas OL you would see a totally different QB

 

[Stymietee]

The reality is, you dont draft a guy in the top five of any draft and sit him for 2-4 years while he learns to play the position. That doesnt even take into account what we gave up to trade up for him. SO if he really wasnt ready, it was a mistake taking him that high. In fact if he needed to sit 2-3 years or more then he wasnt worthy of a top ten pick period.


As for now, we are past the point where we can regret taking him. He either develops this year, and becomes a decent QB, or he goes down as a bust.

I give great credit to you for making that call pre-draft, when you factor in the cost of moving up to get him the first question that comes to mind should have been, are we absolutely sure of what we're getting for that price? Clearly, the organization dropped the ball on this choice, but the next question should have been, what's the best course of action to take to make the best of this mistake? Trust me, I get conventional wisdom that dictates you start him right away, I just don't agree with it when you draft your supposed "Franchise" QB who comes in with absolutely zero experience or skills to run a pro-style offense. Maybe I'm employing too much logic here, but it seems to me that after one season in a gimmicky scheme, another in a shortened hybrid scheme, and the third in another abbreviated pro-style one the organization from the beginning was willing to sell widgets and not invest in widgets that actually work.

BTW: In regards to your this year or bust scenario, while I agree that this could very well be his last season here, I believe that the bust label might be premature. Remember that change of heart that Gruden had by naming him starter this season? I believe that was SM making that call, why? Because I also believe that SM sees some Kapernick and Wilson in him (as do I) but bringing that out largely falls on the shoulders of "Dirty Harry" and J. Gruden. This doesn't mean that he doesn't have to work on, study, or practice his craft.

 

[Stymietee]

Hard to say if that part will ever change. But like I said Griff behind the Dallas OL you would see a totally different QB

What a great statement! Griffin in a system that does not depend on him to win games would flourish. Here in DC the opposite has been true. This team from the beginning wanted him to make the junk around him better, ala, Peyton, Brady or Luck when he clearly was/is not that guy. My great fear is that he's destined toleave here and end up Iin a situation that allows his skills to work as a product because of the TEAM around him, like Wilson or Kapernick and Flacco.

 

[Stymietee]

i find it laughable that a qb hasnt shown steady improvement in 3 years and some people expect i should invest more time in him . he was a number 2 overall pick for the love of god . . again in year 4 potential isnt a word we should be using , we should see him beginning to master the position not trying to graduate from qb 101

he has regressed since his rookie year . that says it all

In what way has he regressed? Everything that he lacked coming out of school, he still lacks. I cannot emphasize this enough.......that rookie year was more reflective of the novelty scheme than the QB having skills that he now does not have.

 

[skinsdad62]

less tds , more ints avg per pass down zero rushing tds completion % , QBR more fumbles . that says it all sty

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Oh I don't think there is much of a question that he has regressed. Part due to a new offense, an offense he instated on running by the way, but it's very obvious that he went from ROY to a guy scared to throw a down field pass.