what does tannehill's contract mean for Rg3 ?

[j_y19]

Please - that is a cop out. I am a bigger RG3 fan than most but also realize that he has more than his fair share of shortcomings mainly related to putting in the time to truly learn the NFL version of the QB position. Absolutely - RG3 has been hurt by coaching & a weak line & even defense.

However - he only needs to look in the mirror to discover the source of many of his problems. Line problems or not - you can't hold onto to the ball forever, you can't focus in on only one receiver, you cannot take on NFL LBs or make lousy slides on runs. You also have to obtain a certain amt of pocket presence & just have a general awareness of the field. These are all on RG3 - sure coaching will help but the majority of the burden is on the player.

I am pulling for him 100%. However - if he falls short I will wish him good luck & pin my hopes on the next QB that takes over this team. After all - I am a Redskins fan first & foremost & not a fan of any given player. Sooner or later a player has to demonstrate personal accountability.

I agree about the falsehood of the OL being blamed for RG3s lack of development. Our OL was dreadful, no doubt. But we only need to look at the times KC was behind center to see that the number of sacks taken dropped dramatically. That's because KC was decisive and rarely hung onto the ball. The majority of sacks Robert took over the last couple of years were his fault, not the OL. If he doesn't solve this problem, it doesn't make any difference who plays on our line. Dad is right, we are in year 4. Potential should no longer be discussed. robert should be much further along at this point, and it's not because he has been used wrong. It's because he has either resisted or can't deal with coaching. He has been caudled his entire life and led to believe that he has all the answers. Well, we've all seen that he doesn't. The only question is does he now see that also?

 

[j_y19]

Not necessarily. You are pretty naive if you believe that Wilson & RG3 play the position in a similar manner. Wilson was much more NFL ready coming out of college. Sure - he doesn't play the traditional NFL QB role, but he plays the position in a much more intelligent & professional manner than RG3 (at least for now - could change if RG3 improves).

Wilson knows when to run out of bounds & has a much better presence on the field. Sure - RG3 would have likely had more success with Seahawks since they are a better team. However - not so sure he would have had same success as Wilson since he would have probably been injured more often & made more mistakes. In a similar manner - yes Wilson would not have won a SB with Redskins but would have possibly played the position better long term & be on the right track (although it may have meant not getting SM).

The real question is how bad would have the Seahawks been if they had Robert instead of Wilson?. Not as bad as the Redskins, for sure, but they would not have won a SB.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Read my post again.

I read it again and I didn't need too, I got it the first time. You are projecting that in the future Griff will be the best QB in this class, better than Luck. My response was "No way Griffin every becomes better than Luck" which is again future, not present, tense.

I also disagree with you on Griffin in Seattle. While there is no doubt that would have been a better situation until Griff learns to anticipate and avoid the pass rush and throw on time, 2 things Russell Wilson excels at, there is now way I can assume Griffin would have had the same success.

 

[Stymietee]

I read it again and I didn't need too, I got it the first time. You are projecting that in the future Griff will be the best QB in this class, better than Luck. My response was "No way Griffin every becomes better than Luck" which is again future, not present, tense.

I also disagree with you on Griffin in Seattle. While there is no doubt that would have been a better situation until Griff learns to anticipate and avoid the pass rush and throw on time, 2 things Russell Wilson excels at, there is now way I can assume Griffin would have had the same success.

Actually you didn't get it, nowhere did I say that he would be better than luck, just in future years be a part of the discussion comparatively speaking.

On the Wilson thing we'll just have to agree to disagree. That said, let's not miss the point of it all and that is Wilson was fortunate to be drafted to the team that he on, where Griffin ended up in arguably the worse possible place given the cesspool DC was when he got here.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Actually you didn't get it, nowhere did I say that he would be better than luck, just in future years be a part of the discussion comparatively speaking.

On the Wilson thing we'll just have to agree to disagree. That said, let's not miss the point of it all and that is Wilson was fortunate to be drafted to the team that he on, where Griffin ended up in arguably the worse possible place given the cesspool DC was when he got here.

Most highly drafted players go to bad teams - that is how it works. Wilson was in a unique position since he was drafted later. Perhaps Indy is better but certainly Luck - & others - have had to deal with situations with line problems, etc.

Stop making excuses for RG3. I would guess that even RG3 himself would not want to listen to this type of nonsense. Again - yes - the Redskins did have issues with coaching, blocking, etc. However - in years 2 & 3 RG3 was as much if not the majority of the issue with the sputtering offense. You are not being honest if you can't see that.

 

[Stymietee]

The real question is how bad would have the Seahawks been if they had Robert instead of Wilson?. Not as bad as the Redskins, for sure, but they would not have won a SB.

OK, then we disagree, I believe that Seattle would have won back to back SB's because their team would have relied less on both of them as they currently do with Wilson. If you really study their style of play Wilson is a poor reader of defenses. His success comes because he often finds himself in 3rd and short ( more easily makable situations) and then it's first option or improvise. I will concede that Griffin has a lot to learn when it comes to footwork and such. I honestly dont buy the crap about his ego and temperament and will be among the few to say he's gonna prove all of the naysayers wrong.

 

[Stymietee]

Most highly drafted players go to bad teams - that is how it works. Wilson was in a unique position since he was drafted later. Perhaps Indy is better but certainly Luck - & others - have had to deal with situations with line problems, etc.

Stop making excuses for RG3. I would guess that even RG3 himself would not want to listen to this type of nonsense. Again - yes - the Redskins did have issues with coaching, blocking, etc. However - in years 2 & 3 RG3 was as much if not the majority of the issue with the sputtering offense. You are not being honest if you can't see that.

Hmmmm, gotta write that one down, let's see, Most highly drafted players go to bad teams, got it!!

It been said that QB's get too much praise for success and too much blame for failure. With that in mind just as you accuse me of making excuses for RGIII, I'll do the same for you when it comes to making excuses for the putrid organization he was drafted into. When Dad wrote that this is his 4th year, technically he is correct but I'm not sure that anyone would argue against this being the first year that the organization has begun to build a professional team around him. He certainly wasn't drafted into one!!!

 

[SoCalWizFan]

OK, then we disagree, I believe that Seattle would have won back to back SB's because their team would have relied less on both of them as they currently do with Wilson. If you really study their style of play Wilson is a poor reader of defenses. His success comes because he often finds himself in 3rd and short ( more easily makable situations) and then it's first option or improvise. I will concede that Griffin has a lot to learn when it comes to footwork and such. I honestly dont buy the crap about his ego and temperament and will be among the few to say he's gonna prove all of the naysayers wrong.

You are completely ignoring the injury factor for starters. RG3's reckless style has kept him off the field in DC & likely would have had the same results in Seattle (remember they don't have a great O line either). Also - note that I mentioned nothing about RG3's personality, off field things, etc (as a matter fact - I praise him for his off field charity & similar work). I am only focused on the field where he has issues.

I am not claiming RG3 will be great or a bust - I am simply stating that I don't know. I hope that you are correct about your prediction since it will benefit RG3 & more importantly the Redskins.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Hmmmm, gotta write that one down, let's see, Most highly drafted players go to bad teams, got it!!

It been said that QB's get too much praise for success and too much blame for failure. With that in mind just as you accuse me of making excuses for RGIII, I'll do the same for you when it comes to making excuses for the putrid organization he was drafted into. When Dad wrote that this is his 4th year, technically he is correct but I'm not sure that anyone would argue against this being the first year that the organization has begun to build a professional team around him. He certainly wasn't drafted into one!!!

Thanks for that patronizing tone - appreciate it. You stated that RG3 went to a crappy organization. More often than not crappy organization = bad team = high draft position.

How am I making excuses for the Redskins organization? I am simply stating that BOTH RG3 & the team are to blame for the problems over the last 2 years. Also - in terms of organization I guess that RG3 played for a completely different organization in year 1 when they went to the playoffs - right? Or is it just that RG3 deserves all credit when things go well but none of the blame when things go poorly?

Any objective person would see that - regardless of the rest of the team - RG3 has major issues that need to be addressed. Again - even RG3 can see that so I am not sure why you are blind to this fact. These certainly can & may be corrected, but it is not a given.

 

[Stymietee]

You are completely ignoring the injury factor for starters. RG3's reckless style has kept him off the field in DC & likely would have had the same results in Seattle (remember they don't have a great O line either). Also - note that I mentioned nothing about RG3's personality, off field things, etc (as a matter fact - I praise him for his off field charity & similar work). I am only focused on the field where he has issues.

I am not claiming RG3 will be great or a bust - I am simply stating that I don't know. I hope that you are correct about your prediction since it will benefit RG3 & more importantly the Redskins.

Isn't it interesting that when making a prediction it becomes a point of contention, even when that prediction is exactly what 99% of us hope for?

 

[Stymietee]

Thanks for that patronizing tone - appreciate it. You stated that RG3 went to a crappy organization. More often than not crappy organization = bad team = high draft position.

How am I making excuses for the Redskins organization? I am simply stating that BOTH RG3 & the team are to blame for the problems over the last 2 years. Also - in terms of organization I guess that RG3 played for a completely different organization in year 1 when they went to the playoffs - right? Or is it just that RG3 deserves all credit when things go well but none of the blame when things go poorly?

Any objective person would see that - regardless of the rest of the team - RG3 has major issues that need to be addressed. Again - even RG3 can see that so I am not sure why you are blind to this fact. These certainly can & may be corrected, but it is not a given.

What you wrote was not a revelatory line but one by its delivery intented to teach the obvious.

Let me share this, I absolutely believe that he was mishandled from the beginning and stated so many times when and after he was drafted. I was pilloried for taking that position because the overwhelming sentiment was that you don't draft a QB that high and sit him on the bench to learn (my original position).
The argument surrounding his first season, to me is nonsense, mainly because it had less to do with Griffin than the novelty of the scheme. Now, why did I want him benched, because of the system that he played in school and because of the very things that QB's in those systems don't learn......coincidentally, the same things that everyone currently says he need to work on.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Actually you didn't get it, nowhere did I say that he would be better than luck, just in future years be a part of the discussion comparatively speaking.

I have no idea how to take this post other than you are claiming that in the future Griffin will be considered the best QB of this class. If that's not what you mean then you need to post things more clearly so they are understood.

I just put up my giant golf umbrella in anticipation of the kickback I'll get after making this statement:
As the years go on the conversations will be heatedly debated as to who was the best QB of the 2012 class. Right now, you would probably guess Andrew Luck and any other QB selected in that draft except RG III, and you would be wrong. We have not seen the best of Griffith yet!

 

[redseat]

Yup - You were right... this is certainly a good board to watch.....

Keep up the passion everyone!

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Yup - You were right... this is certainly a good board to watch.....

Keep up the passion everyone!

Lulz. We DO keep things interesting

 

[redseat]

Lulz. We DO keep things interesting

greatly appreciated! Keep it up!

 

[skinsdad62]

people , RW has arec. corp that isnt any where near as good as ours , they certainly dont have the te play we have either and yet RW 's passing numbers are better then Rg3's . wilson is also better at running the football then Rg3 because he can protect himself

i dont buy he was "mishandled " either . what happened was he was woefully unprepared to be a pocket passing pro qb.

 

[Mitziman]

Why are we/you still debating RG3? LOVE what his freakish athletic ability did for us in 2012, but Pulease!

He CAN'T read a defense. He CAN'T consistently stay in the pocket and be effective. He CAN'T stay healthy..and he CAN'T freakin' slide!

He's not an NFL QB...unless, somebody does a Criss Angel on his ass!

 

[Sharkinva]

IF he isnt on the bench by week eight due to performance or injury (in that order) I think he will have an OK enough season that the Skins will try and sign him long term.

 

[Stymietee]

I have no idea how to take this post other than you are claiming that in the future Griffin will be considered the best QB of this class. If that's not what you mean then you need to post things more clearly so they are understood.

Maybe this helps you:

1.There will be debates in future years

2. Some will say Luck was the best of his class at the position

3. Others will say Griffin was the best of his class

4. While some will declare Wilson or another as best of their class

5. Right now no one would include Griffin in that conversation, but my statement suggests that he will be included in that debate as time goes on.

Apologies DGF for the delivery of this response, it is intended to clarify the point you've missed and not to demean, belittle or otherwise cause discomfort.

 

[Stymietee]

people , RW has arec. corp that isnt any where near as good as ours , they certainly dont have the te play we have either and yet RW 's passing numbers are better then Rg3's . wilson is also better at running the football then Rg3 because he can protect himself

i dont buy he was "mishandled " either . what happened was he was woefully unprepared to be a pocket passing pro qb.

Outside of DJax, who basically just got here, what receiving corp are you referring to? Garcon, who is a nice player fills the role of supporting member if he plays in a system geared towards the strengths of actual players on the roster. Admit it MS came here determined to install his ZBS without realizing that 1. It was outdated and 2. He didn't have the personnel or talent to hope for continued success.

There's a reason why Seattle is as successful as they are. To look at their offensive roster you could easilly argue, that they don't individually have much. Enter Pete Carroll, who also looked and must have asked, how do I get this group to succeed? We've never had a coach who has done that in the last two hires. SM is building a team much like those he's previously been associated with. If Gruden is unable to follow Carroll's ability to adjust to his personnel, he will follow MS's azz out the door.

BTW: if you don't buy the argument that he was mishandled, why do you give credence to that argument by stating that "he was woefully unprepared to be a pocket passing pro qb?" You don't devise a system believe that this player or that one is a bad fit in that system, and start him anyway.