What about Josh Allen?

[carson]

Josh Allen's completion % in his last three years (two of college) are 56%, 56.3%, and 52.8%. I'd guess that's where they're coming from.

And Sam Bradford once set the NFL's record for single season completion pct by throwing a zillion checkdowns. Please, completion percentage is such a deceptive stat. Every fucking throw out of bounds counts against the category. Allen played at Wyoming, for fuck's sake.

 

[carson]

Keep moving those goal posts. You keep that stuff up you'll start confusing yourself. In a few pages you'll say something silly like you haven't meant anything you've said in this thread. It doesn't seem like many people have agreed w/ your gibberish.

"Many people". Keep fabricating. It's now 3 dipshit Browns fans and 1 mildly retarded Steelers fan. Some crowd.

 

[Across The Field]

And Sam Bradford once set the NFL's record for single season completion pct by throwing a zillion checkdowns. Please, completion percentage is such a deceptive stat. Every fucking throw out of bounds counts against the category. Allen played at Wyoming, for fuck's sake.

What the hell is your point even?? Will you ever actually provide any tangible metric for your love affair with Josh Allen over a demonstrably superior QB in Mayfield? Let me guess - you also think Brock Osweiler is a better QB than Andrew Luck. I mean, he's taller, and that's all that seems to matter to you.

 

[carson]

Allen's yards per attempt is something beyond 11.5. He's not throwing checkdowns or shorter routes. He'll develop. But you guys spew "inaccurate" as if Allen throws his balls 5 yards to the right or left of his receivers...and that's why Baker is better.

Its hilarious.

 

[carson]

What the hell is your point even?? Will you ever actually provide any tangible metric for your love affair with Josh Allen over a demonstrably superior QB in Mayfield? Let me guess - you also think Brock Osweiler is a better QB than Andrew Luck. I mean, he's taller, and that's all that seems to matter to you.

You looking for tangible metrics, from a pair of rookies, who didn't start an entire season, proves your immaturity on the topic. There's so many variables at play here. Give it a full season for both and we'll see.

 

[Across The Field]

Allen's yards per attempt is something beyond 11.5. He's not throwing checkdowns or shorter routes. He'll develop. But you guys spew "inaccurate" as if Allen throws his balls 5 yards to the right or left of his receivers...and that's why Baker is better.

Its hilarious.

LMFAO what??

 

[SteelersPride]

Where do you get this idea that Josh Allen is extremely inaccurate!? Are we reading the backs of baseball cards instead of actually watching games?

I’m assuming u r or u would see over 10 yards he does. I’m still waiting for answer

 

[Across The Field]

You looking for tangible metrics, from a pair of rookies, who didn't start an entire season, proves your immaturity on the topic. There's so many variables at play here. Give it a full season for both and we'll see.

13 starts for Mayfield and all he did was break records. Allen played like a TE who was surprisingly asked to play QB.

 

[carson]

I’m assuming u r or u would see over 10 yards he does. I’m still waiting for answer

Oh really? He throws all of his passes 10 yards too far? You've seen this enough to know for a fact?

You haven't. You're just playing up a narrative. I love that you're teaming up with Browns fans on this. It's cute.

 

[carson]

13 starts for Mayfield and all he did was break records. Allen played like a TE who was surprisingly asked to play QB.

OMG! Baker broke rookie record in a league that is 10x more pass-happy than those who were rookies before him. He most certainly is destined for greatness.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

This thread actually inspired me to go back and look at first year stats of QBs that have developed in the last five years or so...Allen is the worst completion percentage I've found of those that have/could be standouts

Completion pct and rating

Mayfield 64 and 94
Darnold 57 and 78
Rosen 56 and 67
Allen 53 and 68
Jackson 58 and 85

Kizer lol
Watson 62 and 100
Trubisky 59 and 78
Mahomes 63 and 77 (basically an inc tho)

Wentz 63 and 79
Goff 55 and 64
Dak 68 and 105

Winston 58/84
Mariotta 62/91

Carr 58/77
Teddy 64/85 (injury)
Bortles 58/69
Jimmy G was an inc

2013 was a dumpster fire and 2012 was the Luck, Cousins, Griffin, Wilson etc class

Allen has the worst completion percentage of the bunch. Now you can point to the likes of Luck (low percentage but threw for 4300 yards and Goff as inaccurate passers who came along in that arena and Mahomes was an incomplete

But then again Luck definitely didn't have that concern going into the draft like Allen did.

 

[Wamu]

"Many people". Keep fabricating. It's now 3 dipshit Browns fans and 1 mildly retarded Steelers fan. Some crowd.

So your shtick on this site is to call people names when they disagree w/ you? Hilarious.

 

[SteelersPride]

Oh really? He throws all of his passes 10 yards too far? You've seen this enough to know for a fact?

You haven't. You're just playing up a narrative. I love that you're teaming up with Browns fans on this. It's cute.

Can u name
A qb? I’m waiting just one. Keep dodging buddy. Your moving ur goal posts and avoiding questions it’s sad.

 

[SteelersPride]

See @TKOSpikes brought facts and figures , this guy just spews shit

 

[carson]

This thread actually inspired me to go back and look at first year stats of QBs that have developed in the last five years or so...Allen is the worst completion percentage I've found of those that have/could be standouts

Completion pct and rating

Mayfield 64 and 94
Darnold 57 and 78
Rosen 56 and 67
Allen 53 and 68
Jackson 58 and 85

Kizer lol
Watson 62 and 100
Trubisky 59 and 78
Mahomes 63 and 77 (basically an inc tho)

Wentz 63 and 79
Goff 55 and 64
Dak 68 and 105

Winston 58/84
Mariotta 62/91

Carr 58/77
Teddy 64/85 (injury)
Bortles 58/69
Jimmy G was an inc

2013 was a dumpster fire and 2012 was the Luck, Cousins, Griffin, Wilson etc class

Allen has the worst completion percentage of the bunch. Now you can point to the likes of Luck (low percentage but threw for 4300 yards and Goff as inaccurate passers who came along in that arena and Mahomes was an incomplete

But then again Luck definitely didn't have that concern going into the draft like Allen did.

Now lets look at things like volume, number of starts...supporting cast. A lot of variables at stake here. And we're talking about rookies. Only fucking idiots would be ready to crown rookie QBs.

 

[carson]

See @TKOSpikes brought facts and figures , this guy just spews shit

And I'm still talking about potential here and you're trying to use a very, very small performance sample size to argue. It's like talking to a brick wall.

 

[SteelersPride]

And I'm still talking about potential here and you're trying to use a very, very small performance sample size to argue. It's like talking to a brick wall.

No I’m using his whole college career and his pro season 962 pass attempts.

Again name one qb who was inaccurate and developed accuracy. Seriously just one shouldn’t be hard

 

[SteelersPride]

If 962 pass attempts is a small sample size. Wel then someone doesn’t understand basic math. Move your
Goalposts again. Or just answer my one question

 

[SteelersPride]

Now lets look at things like volume, number of starts...supporting cast. A lot of variables at stake here. And we're talking about rookies. Only fucking idiots would be ready to crown rookie QBs.

Wonder what the knock on Allen coming out of college was? I wonder why that was a knock? Inaccurate qbs almost always stay inaccurate with the exception of cam newton, and it took newton till this season

 

[Stakesarehigh]

To me because of the rule changes the learning curve for the NFL isn't nearly as high for QBs. These guys can make throws typically from day one it's making the right throws and reading the defense (along with adjusting to the speed of the game) that isn't nearly as bad now since the receivers have more room to work. Making a bad read can be remedied by a good throw far moreso now than before.

Baker has two years on most of the guys in the draft class in terms of competing at a college level or higher. Could be why he adapted quicker. But I don't see the ability to throw accurately as something that tremendously improves as much as making correct reads.