Well I Guess

[SoCalWizFan]

I was going to say the same thing. You don't make judgements on a QB after a few games in a new system, which was my point about Griffin and it applies to Cousins as well.

With that said Cousins has always had the turnover bug. Had it in college and it's continued as a pro. which has been one of my red flags about him. 20 turnovers in 11 games is ridiculous. Say what you want about Griffin but games are won and lost by turnovers and Captain Kirk has had way more of them than Griff who has 22 in 30 games.

I will not judge Cousins by last night & certainly I still want to see him succeed. However - as you mention - he has a history of flaws very similar to what occurred last night. Even before the picks I was telling people that Cousins was forcing things & throwing into coverage. I hoped against this, but it only seemed a matter of time before he was going to throw INTs.

Unfortunately - I see no reason why this isn't going to happen again especially against good defenses. I am sure that he will work with coaches to help develop a more conservative approach. However - just like with RG3 moving out of the pocket when he feels pressure - players revert to their natural tendencies when they encounter pressure or the team needs a score. This can sometimes take years to eliminate (if it ever happens).

I truly don't believe that this was a fluke, but would love to be wrong about this.

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

I was going to say the same thing. You don't make judgements on a QB after a few games in a new system, which was my point about Griffin and it applies to Cousins as well.

With that said Cousins has always had the turnover bug. Had it in college and it's continued as a pro. which has been one of my red flags about him. 20 turnovers in 11 games is ridiculous. Say what you want about Griffin but games are won and lost by turnovers and Captain Kirk has had way more of them than Griff who has 22 in 30 games.

True, Cousins needs to work on keeping the turnovers down. If he's going to be turnover prone, then there's no advantage to him over a healthy RG3.

 

[Sharkinva]

True, Cousins needs to work on keeping the turnovers down. If he's going to be turnover prone, then there's no advantage to him over a healthy RG3.

I put alot of last night on coaching past the 2nd INT. ONce that happened, the long ball slow developing plays should have been shelved and start pounding the ball and throwing quick hitters. One bad habit I have seen that Gruden has is he seems to think he can pass play call his way out of any thing. And it ends up biting his team in the arse.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I put alot of last night on coaching past the 2nd INT. ONce that happened, the long ball slow developing plays should have been shelved and start pounding the ball and throwing quick hitters. One bad habit I have seen that Gruden has is he seems to think he can pass play call his way out of any thing. And it ends up biting his team in the arse.

By the time they got the ball back after Cousins' 2nd INT they were down 31-14 with 3 minutes left in the 3rd and have not shown any ability what so ever to stop the Giants. So you are suggesting a long, time consuming drive by pounding the ball and throwing short passes? You crazy man.

I mean that in the nicest way possible.

 

[Sharkinva]

By the time they got the ball back after Cousins' 2nd INT they were down 31-14 with 3 minutes left in the 3rd and have not shown any ability what so ever to stop the Giants. So you are suggesting a long, time consuming drive by pounding the ball and throwing short passes? You crazy man.

I mean that in the nicest way possible.

So instead you do more damage by calling long slow developing plays and basically shred any confidence our QB might have had by putting him into position to look even worse. By that point, you take the loss, run those slow time killing drives and go lick your wounds. All last night served to do was put blood in the wter and remind every one that we are still basically fish food.

 

[skinsdad62]

i will not judge KC on one game either positive or negative but here is the damage

1-5 in career starts (to small a sample)

he is TO prone and has been since college

the only way he can alter the horrific game he played is to beat seatle

so far he isnt any better then Rg3 . he is just as bad at making reads

what we need is the fan base to be patient with 2 young qbs and stop the damn proclamations of who is this and who is that

i suspect KC will have far more good games then bad

hell we got GK declaring this and that about KC based on one game . last week KC was the next coming now he is a front runner

2 of the turnovers are on the o/line and you guys are blind if you cant see that KC made some bad reads , forced throws , and rushed plays . the coaching had little to do with it . KC stunk plain and simple just as Rg3 has put up some klunkers

 

[j_y19]

The thing is its not just one game. He had a rep coming out of college as interception prone. He almost reminded me of John Beck in the 3rd qtr. Deer in the headlights, confused as all get out. When he is in a grove, he can be deadly, but as soon as the train goes off the track even the slightest bit, he looses it.

For all of RG3s challenges, he would never throw 4 INTs in a game. I don't care how many completions or yards you have, you throw multiple interceptions in a game, you most likely are losing that game.

 

[Sharkinva]

The thing is its not just one game. He had a rep coming out of college as interception prone. He almost reminded me of John Beck in the 3rd qtr. Deer in the headlights, confused as all get out. When he is in a grove, he can be deadly, but as soon as the train goes off the track even the slightest bit, he looses it.

For all of RG3s challenges, he would never throw 4 INTs in a game. I don't care how many completions or yards you have, you throw multiple interceptions in a game, you most likely are losing that game.

So like I said, looks like we got one Qb who is either really good or really bad depending on the situation

And another who for all his gifts and electrifying play, you cringe every time the ball is hiked because you wonder, is this the play we lose him for another 6-8 weeks due to injury.

 

[j_y19]

So like I said, looks like we got one Qb who is either really good or really bad depending on the situation

And another who for all his gifts and electrifying play, you cringe every time the ball is hiked because you wonder, is this the play we lose him for another 6-8 weeks due to injury.

Yeah, its a quandary. RG3 has the potential, but I just doubt he will ever survive to realize it. KC seems to be really hot or really cold. Its clear he's not the qb to put the team on his back and carry them to victory. Maybe we pro out a package deal where we trade them both for what ever we can get.

 

[Sportster 72]

I put alot of last night on coaching past the 2nd INT. ONce that happened, the long ball slow developing plays should have been shelved and start pounding the ball and throwing quick hitters. One bad habit I have seen that Gruden has is he seems to think he can pass play call his way out of any thing. And it ends up biting his team in the arse.

Yeah Shark that was the MO on Gruden in Cincinnati. I also heard a stat yesterday that the Bengals threw 3 more passes than the Redskins for the entire season last year.

 

[Tdog21Skins]

Cousins wasn't only staring down his receivers on Thursday night his reads were pretty bad

 

[Sharkinva]

Yeah Shark that was the MO on Gruden in Cincinnati. I also heard a stat yesterday that the Bengals threw 3 more passes than the Redskins for the entire season last year.

Sportster... did you ever watch the Bengals in the playoffs the past three years??

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

So instead you do more damage by calling long slow developing plays and basically shred any confidence our QB might have had by putting him into position to look even worse. By that point, you take the loss, run those slow time killing drives and go lick your wounds. All last night served to do was put blood in the wter and remind every one that we are still basically fish food.

They were down 31-14 with with over a quarter to go. So instead of trying to win a division game you suggest we curl up into the fetal position and just accept a loss without a fight because the QB you have suggested had earned the right to compete for the starting job is not ready for prime time and his fragile psyche must be protected.

 

[Sharkinva]

They were down 31-14 with with over a quarter to go. So instead of trying to win a division game you suggest we curl up into the fetal position and just accept a loss without a fight because the QB you have suggested had earned the right to compete for the starting job is not ready for prime time and his fragile psyche must be protected.

I suggest that after our QB had just thrown a floater INT, the next play call should NOT have been another long developing play. Down 31-14 even in a division game, some time you have to realize that you can do more damage than good to the TEAM by forcing things. You think its good for the team mind set carrying this blow out the next ten days?? Some times the smartest coaching move is to know when you are infact beat and stop the damn bleeding. Instead we come out of this game with questions of not only can our passing game work when it matters, but can we actually run the ball against any one other than bad defenses. Look I totally admit Cousins looked like hot garbage Thursday night. As did the defense, and coaching did them no favors.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

You suggested they just accept the loss when it wasn't even the 4th quarter yet. You suggested a series of running plays and short because "By that point, you take the loss, run those slow time killing drives and go lick your wound" Your words, not mine. What is worse, for the team's mindset, to go down swinging or to simply give up before the 3rd quarter had ended? Pretty sure the players would prefer to have a coach who was trying to win rather than a coach who accepts a loss prematurely so he wont hurt their feelings.

To call plays that would minimize the damage and protect the QB in that situation tells us this QB is not even close to being ready to be an NFL starter.

 

[Sharkinva]

You suggested they just accept the loss when it wasn't even the 4th quarter yet. You suggested a series of running plays and short because "By that point, you take the loss, run those slow time killing drives and go lick your wound" Your words, not mine. What is worse, for the team's mindset, to go down swinging or to simply give up before the 3rd quarter had ended? Pretty sure the players would prefer to have a coach who was trying to win rather than a coach who accepts a loss prematurely so he wont hurt their feelings.

To call plays that would minimize the damage and protect the QB in that situation tells us this QB is not even close to being ready to be an NFL starter.

I suggest the smart move which in that case was not to take a player know for forcing passes at times, and start putting him in situations to do just that. Its great to fling it around the yard, right until the team gets blown out at home. We had a damn near 2-1 pass to rushing ratio. thats a formula for a loss period. We didnt go down swinging. We simply got embarrassed.