Game Thread: Week 15: Seahawks vs Rams Thread

[dkmightyhammer]

I don't think anyone is saying the offense couldn't have played better. Wilson definitely missed a couple throws that could have been TD's. But that still doesn't excuse the 2 blatant missed calls. The Rams got 10 points directly from those, there is zero disputing that. If they don't call the bs holding on Austin the Rams are punting out of their own end zone, likely giving the Seahawks the ball somewhere around midfield and the PI on Dallas puts Seattle in FG range with a first down.

So could the Seahawks have played better? Sure they could have. But let's not act like the Rams dominated this game. The two teams played pretty evenly on the field with the result being tipped in the Rams favor by 2 awful calls that no NFL officiating crew should have missed.

You know, Wilson could have thrown the ball better, particularly on the second deep shot that should have been deeper, but he didn't actually "miss" those throws. Both were catchable balls. The first on was right on the money but it was tipped by just a fingertip at the last second. We need to give Ramsay credit for getting his hand on both of those deep balls. If Ramsay is an inch shorter Metcalf probably makes two big plays on both those throws. Ramsay is one of the NFL's best corners for a reason, breaking up throws like that is what he does.

 

[DHoey]

Eskridge should have caught a deep ball too

 

[Anointed One]

We should've done better than 1 of 5 on 3rd down in the 1st half where we had a total of 79 yards on offense and 3 of 11 on 3rd down for the game (27%) but that's been our MO all season long making us 30th in the NFL on 3rd conversions... That's why we lose games... It's not because of a missed penalty here and there...

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Wonder if RW legs are gone? Notice he didn't even think about running yesterday and DL didn't have problems tackling him either. The quickness is certainly not there this season and he has only run for 141 yards a one TD this season, a long ways from the 2014 season where he ran for 849 yards and 6 TDs and was a nightmare to tackle for DL hoping for a sack. Guess that happens to players as they become grey beards in the NFL.

 

[Judge Fudge]

Eskridge should have caught a deep ball too

I think i know which one your talking about........

but

Middle or Right sideline.

And Props to Poona doing coverage and Almost getting a pick

 

[blstoker]

It’s been that kind of year — Seahawks loss sees many of same issues​

Dec 21, 2021, 8:53 PM | Updated: Dec 22, 2021, 11:51 am

Seahawks QB Russell Wilson unsuccessfully attempts to avoid a Von Miller sack Tuesday night. (Photo by Ronald Martinez/Getty Images)
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BY STACY ROST
Jake & Stacy, 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. on 710 ESPN Seattle
The first losing season of Russell Wilson’s career was cemented, fittingly, by an interception. It’s been that kind of year for the Seahawks and their franchise quarterback.
Seahawks lose to Rams: 5 moments sink Hawks | 710 Reaction | Fast Facts
Unlike last season, Wilson’s year hasn’t been marred by picks (he has just four so far), but he has endured some of the most inconsistent play of his career. There was the month he missed to heal his surgically repaired finger, of course, and that kind of context is important.

There have been outings where Wilson flashes the rare ability that made him one of the league’s highest-paid players. But, overwhelmingly, there has been a continuation of some of the issues that have plagued Seattle’s offense since midway through last season: third down failures, lackluster outings, uninspired screen plays, and more than a few errant throws.
Wilson saw another of those moments in Tuesday night’s 20-10 loss to the Rams when he missed wide receiver DK Metcalf on a badly underthrown ball in the fourth quarter. Metcalf had Rams cornerback Jalen Ramsey beat and might’ve been able to secure a catch for a touchdown with no one in front of him and just yards shy of the end zone. Instead, the ball fell short enough for Ramsey to knock it away, sending with it Seattle’s hopes for an inspiring late-game drive.
Wilson said postgame it was a throw he wishes he could have back.

Seattle’s offense went 1 of 5 on third down in the first half for just 79 net yards. The Seahawks finished with 214 yards in an uneven day that was punctuated by a few bright spots: a touchdown from running back DeeJay Dallas, explosive plays by wide receiver Freddie Swain and tight end Gerald Everett. But ultimately, they finished an abysmal 3 of 11 on third down (27%), which was hardly enough to keep drives alive.
Wilson’s struggles certainly make offseason trade rumors more interesting. Wilson is one of the league’s premier passers and Seattle has enjoyed stability at quarterback for a decade in a league where some other franchises have led fruitless – often years long – efforts to find the sport’s most coveted commodity. But in the midst of his uneven year, the Seahawks’ front office will need to decide whether they believe the 33-year-old Wilson can bounce back from a down season. And conversely, Wilson will need to decide whether he wants to do so in Seattle.

Cooper Kupp overwhelms Seahawks defense​

It was a better day for Seattle’s defense, who held the Rams to a field goal in the first half. Quandre Diggs, the team’s leader in interceptions, recorded his fifth pick of the season and second this year against Rams QB and his former Lions teammate Matthew Stafford, while defensive end Carlos Dunlap had three sacks. But Seattle couldn’t hold off the league’s top receiver.
Cooper Kupp finished with 136 yards and a pair of touchdowns, and the former Eastern Washington star accounted for the Rams’ three longest pass plays. Stafford didn’t need to beat Seattle over the top all day, though. The Rams’ offense was happy to move down the field by eating up yardage underneath. It’s been a formula that works for Seattle’s defense when they can get a stop in the red zone (in one of the year’s weirder stat combinations, the Seahawks are 32nd in yards allowed and fourth in scoring). On Tuesday, though, it was a backbreaking effort for a game in which Wilson and Seattle’s offense could only muster 10 points.

A controversial no-call​

The Seahawks have had season-long issues that not only contributed to this loss but also long predated Tuesday’s game. Still, you’ll find no shortage of fans who will point to several controversial calls against Seattle as contributing factors (and considering how egregious the last one was, it’s a fair point to make). The officiating crew missed one particular defensive pass interference call in the fourth quarter that drew plenty of ire from players and Seahawks fans alike.
Seahawks coach Pete Carroll seemed hesitant to blame the referees after the game. Perhaps it’s a smart move to avoid a fine, or perhaps it’s the opinion of a head coach who believes his team can and should be playing better than they did Tuesday.
“I’m not bellyaching about that call,” Carroll said. “We need to win the game in all the other ways we can win the game.”
He’s right. An egregious no-call and a few other ticky-tack penalties might’ve cost them this game, but the Seahawks had other chances to win a contest that was tied by a field goal at the half, and they couldn’t seize them. There were missed throws by a franchise quarterback who should make those connections. There were too many yards surrendered to Kupp, who, while a rare talent, had his best game since Week 7.

And ultimately, there were too many of the same mistakes that have plagued this team all year long.

 

[MrS]

Wonder if RW legs are gone? Notice he didn't even think about running yesterday and DL didn't have problems tackling him either. The quickness is certainly not there this season and he has only run for 141 yards a one TD this season, a long ways from the 2014 season where he ran for 849 yards and 6 TDs and was a nightmare to tackle for DL hoping for a sack. Guess that happens to players as they become grey beards in the NFL.

He is not the same player, his lack of mobility now is making the weaknesses of being short more apparent. Cant throw over the middle, cant throw screens, its a huge problem.
I know everyone here is going to hate this but trade him now while he still has some value.

 

[Anointed One]

He is not the same player, his lack of mobility now is making the weaknesses of being short more apparent. Cant throw over the middle, cant throw screens, its a huge problem.
I know everyone here is going to hate this but trade him now while he still has some value.

I think you'd be shocked at how many would be in your corner in trading RW...

 

[blstoker]

Cmon Hoey. Let's take away the calls because I have admitted that there bad calls

Are you telling me that Our offense DID ENOUGH TO WIN THAT GAME?

That game? Yes.

Not even getting into the possible 13-20 point swing in a low scoring, tied game based on bad calls - but the complete and total loss of momentum that those calls caused on both offense and defense. There is no way to say Seattle wins the game had the calls not gone against them - but those calls significantly hampered a team effort that had the game tied late into the third quarter.

Yes, the offense wasn't perfect, and it's still hampered by a lot of the problems that have been discussed ad nauseum the last couple years. Yes, there were missed opportunities. That doesn't take from the fact that those missed opportunities could've been academic instead of catastrophic had the refs not appeared to hand opportunities and momentum to the Rams.

 

[Judge Fudge]

That game? Yes.

Not even getting into the possible 13-20 point swing in a low scoring, tied game based on bad calls - but the complete and total loss of momentum that those calls caused on both offense and defense. There is no way to say Seattle wins the game had the calls not gone against them - but those calls significantly hampered a team effort that had the game tied late into the third quarter.

Yes, the offense wasn't perfect, and it's still hampered by a lot of the problems that have been discussed ad nauseum the last couple years. Yes, there were missed opportunities. That doesn't take from the fact that those missed opportunities could've been academic instead of catastrophic had the refs not appeared to hand opportunities and momentum to the Rams.

And like I said itnis a bullshit way to end our season

 

[Screamin12th]

Wilson started throwing that lollipop long ball like 3 to 4 years back and now he throws it on every deep ball for the last 1 and a half years it seems this makes them short. He never had a issue leading WR before and wouldn't now if he would just let it rip, stop being cute with the lollipop just because it's the throw everyone talks about! You were deadly on the deep ball before the lollipop and DK has shown he doesn't like to Jump and challenge! Remember in the Philly playoff game a couple years ago When DK went up and got it. When he did that I was like Yes that's something we have not seen a lot of. He really has not gone up and snatched a ball since really lol. He waits for it to come to him to much, trying to catch it on the run. Wilson just needs to let those deep balls rip to DK and have him run them down, he wont jump for them.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

The problem was when the PI was challenged and the play looked like good defense, it was rarely overturned.

True, but obvious ones were, and that one 100 percent would have been overturned, we have the technology, we should use it …

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

I think you'd be shocked at how many would be in your corner in trading RW...

He’s been great, but I’m all in if we can get some 1st round picks for him we should pull the trigger… We MUST start rebuilding, we might suck for a while but we need to stack some young talent on this roster … Sucks because we could be looking at a nice draft this year if Pete didn’t make the dumb move of giving up 2 first rounders and a 3rd for 1 player…. Set us back

 

[Screamin12th]

He’s been great, but I’m all in if we can get some 1st round picks for him we should pull the trigger… We MUST start rebuilding, we might suck for a while but we need to stack some young talent on this roster … Sucks because we could be looking at a nice draft this year if Pete didn’t make the dumb move of giving up 2 first rounders and a 3rd for 1 player…. Set us back

Jamal Adams the gift that keeps on giving.

Sad truth is we couldn't get a 3rd round pick for Adams now, No one will touch that contract with a ten foot pole.

 

[blstoker]

Honestly, Russ is entering the part of his career where he's gonna have to start adjusting to his diminishing skills. How well he adjusts will go a long way to defining how he is seen when his career is completed.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Jamal Adams the gift that keeps on giving.

Sad truth is we couldn't get a 3rd round pick for Adams now, No one will touch that contract with a ten foot pole.

Nope, we’re stuck with Jamal.. But Russ on the other hand, QB’s are a high commodity, someone will pay big for Russ .. That could jump start our rebuild process … As far as Jamal, no doubt he’s a freak athlete, but you gotta use him properly and he’s not worth 2 first round picks and a 3rd.. he’s a talent, but not for that price.. Jets fleeced us, and I honestly thought Pete was smarter than that, desperate move …

 

[Screamin12th]

Nope, we’re stuck with Jamal.. But Russ on the other hand, QB’s are a high commodity, someone will pay big for Russ .. That could jump start our rebuild process … As far as Jamal, no doubt he’s a freak athlete, but you gotta use him properly and he’s not worth 2 first round picks and a 3rd.. he’s a talent, but not for that price.. Jets fleeced us, and I honestly thought Pete was smarter than that, desperate move …

That is also the riskiest move as it could leave the Hawks stuck in the cellar for the next 10 years. This hurts to say this but i myself would rather trade Bobby and Lockett before Wilson but i see the value in trading Wilson as he should net us 3 First, yes three! If Jamal is worth 2 firsts and a 3rd then Wilson is easily worth 3 firsts and a borderline probowl player lol.

 

[returnofjakedog]

Merry Christmas t'all ya eternal optimists here!

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

True, but obvious ones were, and that one 100 percent would have been overturned, we have the technology, we should use it …

There were some obvious ones over turned but not enough to keep it going. The NFL doesn't like over ruling their officials during games even if the PI or non PI are obvious.

 

[MrS]

As far as Jamal, no doubt he’s a freak athlete, but you gotta use him properly

I keep hearing this and i dont get it. Freak athlete how? Use him properly how? He's an average at best player living off college hype. We got completely hoodwinked by one of the worst run teams in the league, it should cost the entire front office their heads.

That is also the riskiest move as it could leave the Hawks stuck in the cellar for the next 10 years.

Wilson is making too much money and we aren't going anywhere with him at qb. The risk is worth it.