Week 14 Bobby Hart NonParticipation Trophy

[MaximumSam]

 

[cincygrad]

Woohooo! If that block doesn't sum up Bobby Hart's career as a Bengal, I really don't know what does. But do you know what's sad? At least when an offensive lineman doesn't try, the defensive lineman probably won't do permanent damage to the qb. Afterall, there really not allowed to plow them into the ground these days. The problem for the Bengals was that Michael Jordan was trying.... Which led to him getting decleated.... Which led to two guys falling on the ground. On the quarterbacks knee. If he would have just done a bullfigher move like ole' Bobby, Joe would have been planted.... But maybe not broken.

I'm interested to know if Zac Taylor has anymore supporters left. I'm guessing that Crash was probably the last of his supporters around here. If you would have told me it would only take 28 games or less for me to miss Marvin Lewis and his merry band of clock management disaster coaches, I would have argued with you (though I wouldn't think you were crazy). What's hilarious is that it's not only the players that think Zac and his crew are amateur, bush league hacks. Pete Carrol basically took a swipe at him in the media.... The Ravens D-coordinator had no issue yelling at a HC and discussing it in the media after we kicked a garbage time field goal..... The Miami coach was ready to come over and kick his ass. I'm sure there will be more examples. While we can all agree that we were sick and tired of Marvin and his bullshit, I think we also would all agree that he was a respected man in the NFL. His game day coaching was always a little off and he certainly lost his motivation late in his tenure here, but I still think most players and coaches either respected him or feared that he was too connected to piss off.

 

[cincygrad]

I'm a little slow to this, but I'm just now seeing that Bobby Hart is to blame for Jonah Williams devastating knee injury.

If they bring back Jim Turner next season, I'm not sure what you are saying to your team.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Woohooo! If that block doesn't sum up Bobby Hart's career as a Bengal, I really don't know what does. But do you know what's sad? At least when an offensive lineman doesn't try, the defensive lineman probably won't do permanent damage to the qb. Afterall, there really not allowed to plow them into the ground these days. The problem for the Bengals was that Michael Jordan was trying.... Which led to him getting decleated.... Which led to two guys falling on the ground. On the quarterbacks knee. If he would have just done a bullfigher move like ole' Bobby, Joe would have been planted.... But maybe not broken.

I'm interested to know if Zac Taylor has anymore supporters left. I'm guessing that Crash was probably the last of his supporters around here. If you would have told me it would only take 28 games or less for me to miss Marvin Lewis and his merry band of clock management disaster coaches, I would have argued with you (though I wouldn't think you were crazy). What's hilarious is that it's not only the players that think Zac and his crew are amateur, bush league hacks. Pete Carrol basically took a swipe at him in the media.... The Ravens D-coordinator had no issue yelling at a HC and discussing it in the media after we kicked a garbage time field goal..... The Miami coach was ready to come over and kick his ass. I'm sure there will be more examples. While we can all agree that we were sick and tired of Marvin and his bullshit, I think we also would all agree that he was a respected man in the NFL. His game day coaching was always a little off and he certainly lost his motivation late in his tenure here, but I still think most players and coaches either respected him or feared that he was too connected to piss off.

I fully agree changes need to be made. Not sure if it is head coach yet or not. But offensive line coach, and defensive coordinator need to fn go, and if they do not, then I think Taylor needs to go, because it is the only way to guarantee those other two fuckers get canned.

I didn't hear how bad Jonah Williams knee injury is, if it is bad, then I guess we can welcome Sewell to the Bengals instead of Chase.

Bobby Hart is a waste of 7 million dollars and costing us more than just his salary.

Several things need to happen this offseason for me NOT to be on board with booting Taylor.

 

[MaximumSam]

The play where Williams was hurt. At first I thought it was the same as the one above, but no.

 

[MaximumSam]

Really, what the hell. You could sign pretty much anyone off the street to do better than this.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Really, what the hell. You could sign pretty much anyone off the street to do better than this.

Good Lord. So where do we get a right tackle because that is our biggest need over anything. Sewell will be our LT, not sure what is going to happen with Williams, I think Spain and Su'a-Filo will be fine at guard, Hopkins is a decent center. Hart has got to go, but then again, I was all in the camp of never signing him to begin with, especially to the extension.

 

[Cincyfan78]

The play where Williams was hurt. At first I thought it was the same as the one above, but no.

It's a combo between Hart and the RG - it starts with the RG not even coming close to blocking his guy, and then compounded by Hart getting destroyed by his guy.

It is a comedy of errors on this team.

 

[Cincyfan78]

You know what is funny - the rumor out there is that Brown did NOT want Taylor as coach. The call was made by Katie and Duke - who are pretty much in charge of the day-to-day now of the organization. Brown relented because Katie and her husband are the future of the ownership.

The one time we need MB to step up and put his foot down - and he doesn't. How's that for irony.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

It's a combo between Hart and the RG - it starts with the RG not even coming close to blocking his guy, and then compounded by Hart getting destroyed by his guy.

It is a comedy of errors on this team.

The RG was trying to create a pocket, but Hart just floats to the outside so damn far, he has no chance to block anyone. Maybe the way he drifts to the right he should be a left tackle. The RG didn't realize he was going to become the RT the second the ball was snapped. Looked like Hart was doing individual footwork drills by himself off in a corner and then realized, oh shit, this is not the training room, this is a game and I just forgot about my guy.

 

[cincygrad]

You know what is funny - the rumor out there is that Brown did NOT want Taylor as coach. The call was made by Katie and Duke - who are pretty much in charge of the day-to-day now of the organization. Brown relented because Katie and her husband are the future of the ownership.

The one time we need MB to step up and put his foot down - and he doesn't. How's that for irony.

It's interesting, because I thought if there was one outside candidate that Mike Brown would favor, it would be Eric Bieniemy. I know how much Mike likes the old Bengals, and Bieniemy was a decent soldier for them back in his day.

 

[cincygrad]

Good Lord. So where do we get a right tackle because that is our biggest need over anything. Sewell will be our LT, not sure what is going to happen with Williams, I think Spain and Su'a-Filo will be fine at guard, Hopkins is a decent center. Hart has got to go, but then again, I was all in the camp of never signing him to begin with, especially to the extension.

I think there is a big difference between being "fine" and being better than what we have had. Spain seems like a reasonable player. But he's also been beat some in pass protection and he's never been a great run blocker. He was expendable in Buffalo for a reason. I'd take him if he was our second best guard. I'd love two free agent additions - One tackle and one guard.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I think there is a big difference between being "fine" and being better than what we have had. Spain seems like a reasonable player. But he's also been beat some in pass protection and he's never been a great run blocker. He was expendable in Buffalo for a reason. I'd take him if he was our second best guard. I'd love two free agent additions - One tackle and one guard.

100% agree.

You sign a top end T and G - and you still draft Sewell. Jonah has had flashes, but now has (what is looking like) 2 major injuries in 2 years (haven't seen the initial report yet). Not to mention, at worst you move the F/A to RT or Sewell to RT or you end up with one of them maybe moving to guard, if they show they can.

If Burrow is your future - you have to 100% protect him at all cost. The game of football may have changed over the years from smashmout football to finesse with the passing game - but the end result of needing a truly dominant OL (or DL) has not. If you are going to run offenses that rely on 30+ passes a game - you have to get an OL that can pass-pro. Even mediocre WR's will get open with enough time provided.

 

[Cincyfan78]

It's interesting, because I thought if there was one outside candidate that Mike Brown would favor, it would be Eric Bieniemy. I know how much Mike likes the old Bengals, and Bieniemy was a decent soldier for them back in his day.

I would have loved Bienemy - I think he would have brought a wealth of knowledge for Burrow from KC.

I would still take him if they decided to fire ZT after this year - but I would also want some experience with him as well. Finding a DC, or someone, who has some past experience that EB could lean on. Zimmer would have been perfect, but they keep winning enough games that now I don't see him getting replaced....lol

 

[alf8478]

Top tier tackles don't make it to free agency. And even if they did, the Bengals don't shop at the top tier. So you're looking at grossly overpaying for a second, or most likely third tier tackle. That's how we ended up with Bobby Hart.

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Its not rocket science, draft Sewell for LT. Move Jonah to RT assuming he's ready for week 1 coming off the knee injury.

Fixing the guard position is where it's going to cost some $$. If they want to fix it.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Top tier tackles don't make it to free agency. And even if they did, the Bengals don't shop at the top tier. So you're looking at grossly overpaying for a second, or most likely third tier tackle. That's how we ended up with Bobby Hart.

Any of these names excite you? 2021 NFL Free Agents Tracker

Its not rocket science, draft Sewell for LT. Move Jonah to RT assuming he's ready for week 1 coming off the knee injury.

Fixing the guard position is where it's going to cost some $$. If they want to fix it.

I think the reason a few of us say that you still need a capable T is because you still need depth, you have no idea how Williams will do at RT or if Sewell is ready for LT. It also doesn't hurt to have a guy around who knows what they are doing to help mentor the younger guys. Right now these kids, like Jonah, have no one and nothing. That's not a good thing.

Ovepay - likely. But it's what happens when you allow yourself to get into this mess.

 

[cincygrad]

Well, the list doesn't look great. And I do agree that interior lineman are sometimes better bargains in FA. I'd just like to see the team overcorrect the problem a little. Sign a few guys. Stop counting on everyone to develop. Show up to next camp with some serious depth and let it shake out. The only starter/position I would pencil in for next year would be Sewell (if we draft him) and that's because I think if you're drafting a tackle in the top 5, he better be a starter on day 1 or its too early to take him. I also hope we can get a new line coach..... It's sad that we missed out on the opportunity to get Bill Callahan. I think he would have taken the chance to coach with his son, but Washington blocked him in Gruden's last year and then the Browns gobbled him up this year.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Well, the list doesn't look great. And I do agree that interior lineman are sometimes better bargains in FA. I'd just like to see the team overcorrect the problem a little. Sign a few guys. Stop counting on everyone to develop. Show up to next camp with some serious depth and let it shake out. The only starter/position I would pencil in for next year would be Sewell (if we draft him) and that's because I think if you're drafting a tackle in the top 5, he better be a starter on day 1 or its too early to take him. I also hope we can get a new line coach..... It's sad that we missed out on the opportunity to get Bill Callahan. I think he would have taken the chance to coach with his son, but Washington blocked him in Gruden's last year and then the Browns gobbled him up this year.

New line coach?

I hope they clean house. The ineptitude that has gone on under ZT can't be matched unless you go back to the 1960's in terms of the amount of games coached with so few wins. You'd have to go back to the 1940's to find someone who actually did worse.

(That is, of course, assuming he finishes without winning another game, but the larger point remains - he is the worst coach in modern NFL history when you consider the amount of games allowed to coach in terms of wins)

*Edit - ST's coach can stay - he's always been solid

 

[cincygrad]

I found this fascinating. I have to say that on the surface of it, I agree with Hopkins and think he is acting like an adult. While fans want players to be all rah, rah, tough guys, there are many good reasons not to fill that stereotype.

On the other hand, this perfectly describes the mindset of this current tea. Guys with half a brain know that the team is no good. And they probably are all aware that the coaches aren't qualified. So why would cost yourself money for a team that isn't going anywhere and a teammate that won't be around next season. I mean, its not like the teammate is in any real trouble anyway (just slap fights).

Though Hopkins might be right.... I doubt you will ever see this type of comment or behavior coming from a player on a winning team.

 

[cincygrad]

New line coach?

I hope they clean house. The ineptitude that has gone on under ZT can't be matched unless you go back to the 1960's in terms of the amount of games coached with so few wins. You'd have to go back to the 1940's to find someone who actually did worse.

(That is, of course, assuming he finishes without winning another game, but the larger point remains - he is the worst coach in modern NFL history when you consider the amount of games allowed to coach in terms of wins)

*Edit - ST's coach can stay - he's always been solid

I desperately want a new coach. I want to be clear. Zac Taylor has not given any indication that he knows what he is doing and in fact he looks more incompetent that just about any coach I've ever seen. I think Freddie Kitchens and Vance Joseph were better coaches than Zac. The only success he's had has been when a very special talent has been under center. Zac shouldn't get credit just because he was bad enough to earn the right to draft Burrow.

I don't see the change happening though. I honestly think any sort of change would have to be accompanied by self-reflection that would implicate Duke Tobin's role in the disaster of the last 5 years. A team this comically inept in drafting or developing line talent must have some serious issues in the scouting and player personnel department. I can't imagine the Bengals acknowledging these issues.

What I expect is that the Bengals will play the "look how good we would have been without injuries" card. They'll point to the investments in defense that weren't given a chance due to injury. They'll point to the offensive production with Joe Burrow at QB. The efficiency of an offense that had line issues. They'll resolve to repair the offensive line via free agency and continue to build the rest of the team through the draft. Some of this is reasonable - They would have a better D with the higher priced guys playing. The offense was extremely efficient even without a pro line. But, the team is mismanaged. And even if the talent improves, I don't think anyone can truly say that this staff is the group that can get the most out of the potential. But I'm not sure it matters.