Trolling: Flacco

[BloodType49]

SonnyCID I'm digging the AVI, its nice to see a fan with a sense of humor about their team.

 

[SteelersPride]

its a great avi

 

[Midnightangel]

So you're saying you'd take Joe Flacco over Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning? Is that what you're saying?

 

[BusSport]

I agree with Hokie. Only problem is they can't afford not to play him.

He's overpaid now...he'd be REALLY overpaid, sitting on the bench.

Not saying that he should be on the bench, but the argument you just gave for putting him on the bench isn't a good one. Does sitting him on the bench somehow magically cost them money? No.

 

[NinerSickness]

Yards per completion is a useless stat. I don't know why someone would cite it. Yards per attempt says it all in that particular respect.

 

[Golden Spur]

He is correct, the Wildcat is a high school offense.

Nah, I disagree with that - the fundamental strategy behind the wildcat is sound, if it's done right. Unless the D was spying (unlikely with Flacco back there, not the greatest wheels), sending the QB out wide forces an 'extra defender' to pick him up. There's not some guy (e.g. a LB or SS) free, waiting to shut down a gap - somebody's got to get off a block and bring down the ball carrier.

I do think it should be used sparingly.

 

[Steelboy84]

He shouldn't do a thing. The wildcat is retarded.

It wasnt when Miami destroyed Brady and Co. with it.

 

[Steelboy84]

Neither is Ben and never is Eli who have OL issues of their own.

Too bad the HOF voters wont agree with u.

 

[Money]

I understand he is not Peyton Manning. He is being paid like he is Peyton Manning though so the expectations of him leading the team to victory even if there is lackluster play from the OL is expected. Other great quarterbacks in the league have done it and when you are being paid like you are one of those guys then he is performing well below what is expected of him at this point.

Sorry...I feel like you are ignoring the economics of the game. Eli and Ben were paid comparable salaries. I know they were paid less, but it was three years ago and they were both still paid in excess of $100 million. Romo and Ryan were both paid comparable contracts this year. Obviously Rodgers topped them all. I know you are also intelligent enough to know the difference in guaranteed money (Brady and Manning both received substantially more as they should) and the difference between the first big payday for a player and the most probable last big payday for a player.

The very simple bottom line was the Ravens pay what they did or start over at QB. The Ravens with Flacco have 5 (out of 5 years) playoff appearances, 3 AFCCG's and a Super Bowl). Flacco also has as many playoff wins as Peyton (despite the age difference). If you are the owner or GM, do you just decide to cut ties and start over?

All of this doesn't change the facts that Flacco is not elite and the Ravens' offensive line is absolutely horrendous this year. Not subpar...horrendous.

 

[Money]

So you're saying you'd take Joe Flacco over Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning? Is that what you're saying?

Nope. I'm saying I'd take Flacco over the 15 or so QBs the Ravens have had before him (since 1996) and I don't want the Ravens to start over. 5 playoffs appearances in 5 years, 3 AFFCG's and a Super Bowl...why the F would I?

 

[Jakology]

Tannehill has been better than Flacco this season:

Tannehill: 252 of 408 for 2784. 61.8 comp % 15 TDs 12 INTs. 82 QB rating.

Flacco: 238 of 403 for 2742. 59.1 comp % 14 TDs 14 INTs. 76.8 QB rating.

Flacco's weapons >>>>>> Tannehill's weapons

 

[Money]

Tannehill has been better than Flacco this season:

Tannehill: 252 of 408 for 2784. 61.8 comp % 15 TDs 12 INTs. 82 QB rating.

Flacco: 238 of 403 for 2742. 59.1 comp % 14 TDs 14 INTs. 76.8 QB rating.

Flacco's weapons >>>>>> Tannehill's weapons

As a Ravens fan I have experienced 5 playoff appearances in the last 5 years (with at least 1 playoff victory in each). I've experienced 3 AFCCG's and a Super Bowl victory. How are you holding up???

 

[Jakology]

As a Ravens fan I have experienced 5 playoff appearances in the last 5 years (with at least 1 playoff victory in each). I've experienced 3 AFCCG's and a Super Bowl victory. How are you holding up???

This is a trolling Flacco thread. Let me have my fun. I know the Dolphins suck. You don't have to remind me

 

[Money]

This is a trolling Flacco thread. Let me have my fun. I know the Dolphins suck. You don't have to remind me

My bad. I hate troll threads (especially started by Steeler fans). My apologies...you got caught in the crossfire.

 

[cdumler7]

Sorry...I feel like you are ignoring the economics of the game. Eli and Ben were paid comparable salaries. I know they were paid less, but it was three years ago and they were both still paid in excess of $100 million. Romo and Ryan were both paid comparable contracts this year. Obviously Rodgers topped them all. I know you are also intelligent enough to know the difference in guaranteed money (Brady and Manning both received substantially more as they should) and the difference between the first big payday for a player and the most probable last big payday for a player.

The very simple bottom line was the Ravens pay what they did or start over at QB. The Ravens with Flacco have 5 (out of 5 years) playoff appearances, 3 AFCCG's and a Super Bowl). Flacco also has as many playoff wins as Peyton (despite the age difference). If you are the owner or GM, do you just decide to cut ties and start over?

All of this doesn't change the facts that Flacco is not elite and the Ravens' offensive line is absolutely horrendous this year. Not subpar...horrendous.

I do understand the economics of the NFL contract and that with Flacco that whole $120 million price tag is no where near what he will actually see. My guess is this is essentially a 3 year deal than the actual 5 year contract that he signed. I haven't looked at all the little details of the contract but it does seem the Ravens have some loop holes installed so they are not fully on the hook for the whole contract as most good GM's in the NFL do with the big contracts.

I also understand why the Ravens had to do that as it is hard in this league to find even a competent quarterback let alone one with the resume that Flacco does have whether he is deserving of that resume or not. Some team was going to be willing to pay that much and more for him causing the Ravens to have to start over and with having the 32nd pick in the draft it was going to be slim pickings by that point for any kind of quality quarterback especially considering how bad this quarterback draft class was.

Now having said that Flacco with that contract had/has more expectations than he has ever had in his career put on him. He is being looked at as a guy that is expected to be among the elite quarterbacks. Now whether that is deserving or not just depends. He is the one that signed the contract that put him in that category but at the same time until the playoffs this last year he had spent most of his career as an average quarterback at best at least numbers wise. Yes he found some ways to win a few key games but then again some of that can be attributed to having a top 10 defense and top 10 run game 4 of the 5 years of his career.

 

[Money]

I do understand the economics of the NFL contract and that with Flacco that whole $120 million price tag is no where near what he will actually see. My guess is this is essentially a 3 year deal than the actual 5 year contract that he signed. I haven't looked at all the little details of the contract but it does seem the Ravens have some loop holes installed so they are not fully on the hook for the whole contract as most good GM's in the NFL do with the big contracts.

I also understand why the Ravens had to do that as it is hard in this league to find even a competent quarterback let alone one with the resume that Flacco does have whether he is deserving of that resume or not. Some team was going to be willing to pay that much and more for him causing the Ravens to have to start over and with having the 32nd pick in the draft it was going to be slim pickings by that point for any kind of quality quarterback especially considering how bad this quarterback draft class was.

Now having said that Flacco with that contract had/has more expectations than he has ever had in his career put on him. He is being looked at as a guy that is expected to be among the elite quarterbacks. Now whether that is deserving or not just depends. He is the one that signed the contract that put him in that category but at the same time until the playoffs this last year he had spent most of his career as an average quarterback at best at least numbers wise. Yes he found some ways to win a few key games but then again some of that can be attributed to having a top 10 defense and top 10 run game 4 of the 5 years of his career.

The Ravens and Flacco were $1 million apart 2 years ago on a contract extension. I forget the actual numbers, but they were certainly much more moderate than his current contract. The Ravens have always held firm to the value they place on a player and per usual...they weren't budging. Flacco could have come down $1 million and guaranteed his future. Instead, he gambled on himself. You have to hand it to him.

To me...Joe Flacco = Eli Manning. It's been four years since Eli inked his $107 million contract and nobody talks about it anymore. It will be the same with Flacco. Hell...when looking at guaranteed money, Romo, Ryan and Rodgers have already surpassed him.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Flacco didn't hide his dislike of the Wildcat when he lined up at wide receiver. He was so disinterested that he kept his hands in his front pouch and barely moved off the line after the ball was snapped.

"I'm not doing a single thing," Flacco said about splitting out wide. "I'm not blocking. I'm not doing anything."


way to have the team first mentality Joe. If I were Harbaugh, after this little temper tantrum spoiled kid response, and refusing to participate in the play, Flacco would be on the bench until he decided to play

Yea, he could've at least acted like he cared, but if my bank account had that many digits..I wouldn't put up with that BS either, bring in Ty for that....lol.

I forget the game now, but PIT ran it a few times...I'm sure Ben wasn't too keen on it either.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

The Ravens and Flacco were $1 million apart 2 years ago on a contract extension. I forget the actual numbers, but they were certainly much more moderate than his current contract. The Ravens have always held firm to the value they place on a player and per usual...they weren't budging. Flacco could have come down $1 million and guaranteed his future. Instead, he gambled on himself. You have to hand it to him.

To me...Joe Flacco = Eli Manning. It's been four years since Eli inked his $107 million contract and nobody talks about it anymore. It will be the same with Flacco. Hell...when looking at guaranteed money, Romo, Ryan and Rodgers have already surpassed him.

Flacco and Ravens fans take more flak (pardon the pun) over his contract than I think is warranted. I really do believe Joe gambled and won like you said, but he delivered big time when it really counted...that's not something that ATL, or DAL fans can say about their $100 mil QB.

I still would take Ben over Joe. Just a little more mobile, which helps when the play breaks down like you know it will sometimes, but neither of these guys make it look pretty all the time.

 

[Money]

Flacco and Ravens fans take more flak (pardon the pun) over his contract than I think is warranted. I really do believe Joe gambled and won like you said, but he delivered big time when it really counted...that's not something that ATL, or DAL fans can say about their $100 mil QB.

I still would take Ben over Joe. Just a little more mobile, which helps when the play breaks down like you know it will sometimes, but neither of these guys make it look pretty all the time.

With the OL the Ravens have right now, I would take Ben. With an OL playing like they did in the playoffs last year, I'm rolling with Joe.

I just saw post on another message board stating that in the 2011 draft, the Steelers selected Antonio Brown one selection after the Ravens selected Ramon Harewood. I will never complain about our FO, but that made me grimace a bit.

 

[Midnightangel]

Nope. I'm saying I'd take Flacco over the 15 or so QBs the Ravens have had before him (since 1996) and I don't want the Ravens to start over. 5 playoffs appearances in 5 years, 3 AFCCG's and a Super Bowl...why the F would I?

OK, just checking.

I think the Ravens over paid but what else could they do? If he wasn't going to get that money from them, he'd get it elsewhere. They couldn't let him walk.