Trade Capital from Miami

[gkekoa]

This looks like a great spot to say …. we agree to disagree.

Usually agree to disagree is meant for opinion.

What all of us are saying is actual and verifiable fact.

If RK is not on our books this season, it increases the 2020 cap space by almost 12 million, thus increasing 2021 cap space by the rollover of remaining 2020 cap space.

 

[Sportster 72]

I have read your posts gk, I understand what you are saying. It is a forum so you can post what you want. The point of my post is neither of you are going to change the others mind even if you say it 600 times but it that is what you'd like to do that have at it.

 

[gkekoa]

I have read your posts gk, I understand what you are saying. It is a forum so you can post what you want. The point of my post is neither of you are going to change the others mind even if you say it 600 times but it that is what you'd like to do that have at it.

I know your point. My point is, I am speaking actual facts. This is not opinion. I am quoting the actual document (CBA) and using actual examples from this season. You should not be able to change my mind because it is a fact.

I agree that I am factually correct.
I agree that Dad is wrong.

 

[skinsdad62]

The obvious answer is... None!

I'm certain that a brief scroll back will reveal the initial point, that being, a 12 million dollar saving that comes with releasing or my preference, trading him is far more valuable than keeping him.

The team is in full rebuild mode. Ron Rivera's initial push is aimed at building depth. Saving that 12M serves two purposes.

1 It gives the team more flexibility this year (important part follows >) in the event that they wish to target current or future free agents. Maybe they'll use some of the money to redo Schreff's contract this year or not.

2. Unspent, it also gives the team more flexibility next year, when they are targetting free agents and/or desiring to re-sign their own free agents.

Now, I'll add my perspective, which is trading him. A move like this in addition to the two listed above, adds that player that you asked about. This player, while not guaranteed to be a good one, offers something that Kerrigan, even on a redone contract simply cannot. He would be younger and far less expensive.

i think trading him for a 3rd rounder is good value and i would support that type of move

 

[skinsdad62]

I know your point. My point is, I am speaking actual facts. This is not opinion. I am quoting the actual document (CBA) and using actual examples from this season. You should not be able to change my mind because it is a fact.

I agree that I am factually correct.
I agree that Dad is wrong.

i agree that not all the facts have been given , i dont know who is right or wrong nor do i care

 

[gkekoa]

i agree that not all the facts have been given , i dont know who is right or wrong nor do i care

It is a fact that if we cut RK, we save 11.6 million against the 2020 cap.

It is a fact that unspent money against the cap can be carried over and added to the 2021 cap.

These facts ar indisputable.

 

[skinsdad62]

It is a fact that if we cut RK, we save 11.6 million against the 2020 cap.

It is a fact that unspent money against the cap can be carried over and added to the 2021 cap.

These facts ar indisputable.

the fact that you dont get to claim that extra 12 mil in 2021 is not proven

 

[gkekoa]

the fact that you dont get to claim that extra 12 mil in 2021 is not proven

If we don’t spend 12 million on RK this season, we increase our 2020 cap space.

We can carry over all unused cap space from 2020 and add it the 2021 cap.

These are indisputable facts.

 

[Stymietee]

i think trading him for a 3rd rounder is good value and i would support that type of move

Yeah Bruce royally screwed this team with a lot of inaction. This team would have gotten SF's 1st for Kirk and the Colts 2nd for Kerrigan. Chase Young would likely be not in the plans and a move down, if the pick was still at #2, the move to make.
Well, I suppose a 3rd rounder for him would be ok, but if I had a choice, I would still ask for that 2nd just to see if they would bite.

 

[RedskinzDan]

I think gkekoa explained this about a dozen times perfectly. It amazes me you guys refuse to understand.

 

[skinsdad62]

If we don’t spend 12 million on RK this season, we increase our 2020 cap space.

We can carry over all unused cap space from 2020 and add it the 2021 cap.

These are indisputable facts.

That would be double dipping which you said you weren’t talking about with the 12 mil

 

[skinsdad62]

The cap space is there whether you roll the 12 mil over or not .you are at the same spot you would have been the only difference being you can use the 12 mil in 2020

 

[gkekoa]

That would be double dipping which you said you weren’t talking about with the 12 mil

Only you are claiming double dipping. It is a made up word. Everybody else is talking about rolling over 2020 cap space into the 2021 cap.

 

[gkekoa]

The cap space is there whether you roll the 12 mil over or not .you are at the same spot you would have been the only difference being you can use the 12 mil in 2020

Seriously Dad. Read the CBA. It gives you an example. Here is the actual CBA and statements regarding rollover. I have bolded the example.


Carrying Over Room. (1) A Club may designate an amount of its current League Year Room (“Room”) to credit to its Team Salary for the next League Year by providing the NFL with written notice signed by the owner. The NFL must be in receipt of this notice prior to 4:00 pm New York Time (“NYT”) on the day following the Club’s final regular season game (“Carry Over Measuring Date”). The NFL shall promptly pro- vide a copy of any such notice to the NFLPA.
(2) This notice must identify the amount of the Club’s Room (expressed in dollars or as a percentage of its Room at the conclusion of the Club’s final regular season game) that the Club intends to Carry Over to the next League Year. In the event that a Club designates an amount exceeding its Room at the conclusion of the Club’s final regular season game, such notice shall be automatically amended to reflect the Club’s entire Room at that time.
(3) If a Club provides such notice, then at 4:00 pm NYT on the Carry Over Measuring Date, there will be an additional charge to that Club’s current League Year Team Salary corresponding to the amount of Room it has designated to Carry Over to the next League Year. The Club will receive an equivalent credit to its Team Salary for the following League Year. (For example, and without limitation, if one week before its final regular season game a Club possessing $5 million in Room provides notice to the NFL of its intent to Carry Over $5 million in Room to the next League Year, and if at the conclu- sion of the Club’s final regular season game the Club has $4 million in Room, then the Club’s notice shall be automatically amended to reflect a $4 million designation. As a result, at 4:00 pm NYT on the Carry Over Measuring Date, the Club shall: (i) be charged $4 million to its current League Year Team Salary; (ii) have no Room for the remainder of
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the current League Year; and (iii) be credited $4 million to its Team Salary for the following League Year (i.e., increasing the Club’s Room in the following League Year). As another example, and without limitation, if one week before its final regular season game a Club possessing $5 million in Room provides notice to the NFL of its intent to Carry Over $5 million in Room to the next League Year, and if at the conclusion of the Club’s final regular season game the Club has $7 million in Room, then the Club’s notice shall not be amended and its designation shall remain $5 million. As a result, at 4:00 pm NYT on the Carry Over Measuring Date, the Club shall: (i) be charged $5 million to its current League Year Team Salary; (ii) have $2 million in Room; and (iii) be credited $5 million to its Team Salary for the following League Year. Alternatively, if the same Club had designated 100% of its Room to Carry Over (rather than $5 million), then it would instead: (i) be charged $7 million to its current League Year Team Salary; (ii) have no Room for the remainder of the current League Year; and (iii) be credited $7 million to its Team Salary for the following League Year.)
(4) The amount of any Room Carry Over pursuant to this Section shall be taken into account in the year-end netting of incentives described in Section 6(c)(ii) and (iii) of this Article.
(5) Nothing in this Section shall affect the Guaranteed League-Wide Cash Spending or Minimum Team Cash Spending provisions set forth in Article 12.

 

[DJ]

Hey guys....this cracked me up....sharing is caring.

 

[gkekoa]

Now let me explain, AGAIN, using our cap.

Not having RK on this team increases our cap space for 2020 by nearly 12 million dollars in 2020. If we do not use that 12 million in cap space, one week before the final regular season game, we can provide notice to the league that we intend to carry over our remaining cap space (12 million more than whatever we don’t use in 2020 if we do not carry RK cap hit in 2020) and add that cap space to the 2021 salary cap, increasing our available cap space for 2021 by whatever we designated.

To further look at this, use spotrac and see what the total adjusted cap is for NFL teams in 2020.

Arizona base cap is $198,200,000. They actually lose cap space for exceeding 2019 cap by $1,672,328 and have a total adjusted cap for 2020 of $196,527,672.


Redskins base cap is $198,2000,000. We have a carry over of $10,895,255 from the 2019 season giving us a total adjusted cap for 2020 of $209,095,255.


Colts have an adjusted 2020 cap of $239,898,706.
Raiders have an adjusted 2020 cap of $220,006,311.
Chiefs have an adjusted 2020 cap of $220,942,461.


Teams don’t have the same cap available every year. If we save this season, we have more room than teams that spend this season.

 

[Rowdy]

The cap space is there whether you roll the 12 mil over or not .you are at the same spot you would have been the only difference being you can use the 12 mil in 2020

Minus RK this season adds 12 mil to the 20 cap, which can be rolled over to 21. If RK plays 2020 his contract is over therefore has nothing to do with the 21 cap.

 

[DJ]

So bored.....this Corona shit needs to hurry up and end.

 

[j_y19]

The cap space is there whether you roll the 12 mil over or not .you are at the same spot you would have been the only difference being you can use the 12 mil in 2020

No, it’s not there If you pay RK his $12M this year. If you cut/trade Ryan this year and don’t use his money on someone else this year, your available cap space for 2021 will increase by $12M.

 

[Ruzious]

Yeah Bruce royally screwed this team with a lot of inaction. This team would have gotten SF's 1st for Kirk and the Colts 2nd for Kerrigan. Chase Young would likely be not in the plans and a move down, if the pick was still at #2, the move to make.
Well, I suppose a 3rd rounder for him would be ok, but if I had a choice, I would still ask for that 2nd just to see if they would bite.

Can you provide a reason why any team would agree to pay his near 12 mil salary AND give up a 2nd round pick - knowing he'll be a free agent next year? What would be their incentive to give up a 2nd round pick? Is that double doping?